Yeah and what are you gonna do about it, shut down the whole internet? Your crusade is pointless. It will still happen until the internet says we stop. Just the way it works.
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Penny-Arcade: "Marketers of the Avenger Controller are thieves and liars".
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Yeah and what are you gonna do about it, shut down the whole internet? Your crusade is pointless. It will still happen until the internet says we stop. Just the way it works.
element
Member
Just finished the interview. That guy is clueless. 'He has the connections I want'. This guy is a 2 bit street hustler. The interview shows zero remorse. He talks about 'having a bad day' but his tone in emails lasted days with Dave and there are other accounts. Not to mention the fact he impersonated someone in attempt to diffused the situation. Everything this guy did shows zero understanding of business ethics, he is just a street thug.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
He reminds me of a much less funny Dennis Duffy from 30 Rock. Great ambitions but too stupid to realize he'll never achieve anything.
It's the same criteria for when the harassment was deemed necessary to begin with, his behavior.
If he truly was sorry, actually learned something, and then expressed that to the world in a way that was meaningful/believable don't you think that most of this would stop?
elrechazado
Banned
We've seen quite a succession of Paul alts in this thread. Remember, he has connections, so he's obviously all over neogaf.
DrForester
Kills Photobucket
That's one classy fellow on the top comments I see...
Seems like he's gone through life on the strength of an overbearing forceful 'personality' and never developed any other interpersonal skills or hell any other skills at all.
We are all Paul.
flyinpiranha
Member
Yeah, I figured some haven't followed the thread plus who really pays attention to avatars. I should have put a /sarcasm in there.
The Dutch Slayer
Member
But isn't it Ocean Stratagy that's part of the United Federation of Planets and not Ocean Market(t)ing? :|
I don't get it.... am I Ronald McDonald, or the lady?
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Yes, but people would have to believe whatever he said or did was genuine. People already think he's a shitheel, so they'll be viewing his words and actions through that lens. The burden of proof for him is very high, and I question what he could do that would be seen publicly and constitute strong evidence he has changed. A written apology is easy to disseminate, but is weak evidence of real change. Behavior is strong evidence of real change, but most behavior takes place in private. In fact, making a public show of his behavioral change would most likely diminish our perceptions of its sincerity.
I think that people will forget about this pretty soon regardless of what he does. He's not the CEO of a big game publisher or something. If he was, people would boycott, they'd mention that they aren't buying game X because of that guy in every thread, and it would perpetuate itself. But he's just a customer service guy who fucked up. Most gamers would never have dealt with him in the future either way. So beyond making his shit public right now, and hurting his relationship with the controller maker dudes, I don't think there's much else to be done.
elrechazado
Banned
I will gladly refund all of the money you paid for my comments.
We're the drinks.
At this point, yeah, I'm not really sure what he can do. But if he had done right to all those involved from the start? It might have went well then. Now he just keeps digging himself deeper and proving that it's so far ingrained in him that there's possibly no hope for anything to come from it. Anything taken now will just be looked upon sourly.
Which will either make it all stop or will be what causes it to continue forever. But since it's the Internet, I'll wager we forget by the weekend.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Who said anything about revenge? I thought it was about ensuring that he would never be able to operate with his shitty practices again. I don't think its my job to go around teaching douchebags "lessons"
Ghost Dad the Whip
Member
How did Eli get a Gaf account so quickly, maaine?
flyinpiranha
Member
It's not. But what do you have against people that do?
lastendconductor
Put your snobby liquids into my mouth!
I thought playing internet detectives and cyberstalking in general were bannable. Maybe it only applies to harassing gaffers or the OT? if so, that's hypocrital. I've always thought of this as one of the best strict moderation policies in place here. Cyberstalking mob behaviour is at its finest in this thread. You're going to keep justifying yourselves saying he deserves it and that this is not really cyberstalking. Yeah, sure, that's also what bullies say all the time. They like saying "I didn't think he would kill himself" too.
I'm going to quote a single post, but this thread is full of them:
It's dissapointing to see this thread is still going on. This is considered a crime in certain legislations you know.
Please read this and tell me this is not what's happening here
I'm going to quote a single post, but this thread is full of them:
You wrote this about a total stranger that didn't do a single thing to you. It's wrong on so many levels, but it's the kind of thing that flies in this mob mentality.
It's dissapointing to see this thread is still going on. This is considered a crime in certain legislations you know.
Please read this and tell me this is not what's happening here
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I think that there's a degree of juvenillity to it. At that point it does come off as "lets bully the bully! yeah! that'll teach him!"
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I feel like your disagreement is entirely semantic. "Teaching a lesson" can be synonymous with "make a person change their behavior," and I think that's how it's being used in this discussion.
Oh get off your high fucking horse.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Whether your philosophy of punishment is "let's bully the bully because that's what he deserves" or "let's make sure the consequences of his bad actions are negative, so he is deterred from doing it again" the effect can be the same. Both are forms of punishment that should theoretically decrease his bad behavior in the future.
Bear in mind that I am not saying either thing will actually have this effect on this individual, as he seems quite determined to misunderstand the whole situation.
I get where you're coming from, though, and can see how some people's celebrations of his downfall may seem to stem from a misplaced sense of personal victory over a douchelord.
elrechazado
Banned
Please name me the exact behavior that you think crosses the line into stalking? That's a pretty serious statement. So was it putting a person's name into google? Was it posting his own public tweets? Was it pointing a link to a public facebook account? Lighthearted youtube videos, or joke tweets from (evil???) insurance companies like Geico? If not, it had to have been the public posting of a publicly listed 1800 number for a business.Truly this type of homicidal behavior should be stopped, thanks for stopping the carnage to make us all reconsider this holocaust.
Maleficence
Member
Holy fuck that seems amazingly accurate.
Though Dennis is a little bit less of a complete dick and more of a complete moron.
Close though, very close.
Cyberstalking is wrong and sending threats to anyone involved in this is wrong. I don't' think anybody on GAF has done that though.
Choppasmith
Member
Screaming Fist
Member
This guy should have known to never put anything in writing. Now he's being hammered by the internets and so is his family yet he still doesn't show any ounce of remorse except for the fact that he got caught. I somehow feel that he is kind of enjoying all the attention albeit negative. From the limited amount of text I've read of his he comes across as "that guy." In the end none of these cyber activities against his horrible handling of a simple situation will change the fact that he is a gigantic ass. He has been an ass in the past(domestic violence), is an ass now and will forever be - an ass.
EDIT: Funny that he says he was "caught on a bad day" but the e-mail correspondence went on for a week.
EDIT: Funny that he says he was "caught on a bad day" but the e-mail correspondence went on for a week.
Never forget! If we do, the terrorists have won. What about poor Dave and Mike? Dave will never get his controllers and Mike's unleashing of the internet nerd rage will have been for naught. We must continue until the lesson is taught.
"Americanism demands loyalty to the teacher and respect for his lesson." - Bainbridge Colby
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, you bring me right back to my original point: I think ruining his business and his reputation were the "negative consequences" and I think taking things further then that becomes more about the people doing the harassment then him, because I don't see any way in which continuing to spam him on Twitter and such will change his behavior any further, and I don't really see how anyone else can think it will either.
I mean, if someone really thinks that continuing with this for the next three days will make him even more likely to change his ways, please, say so and articulate why.
elrechazado
Banned
I hate to be a broken record here, but who has "taken things further", and in what form? People keep stating this as if it's happened.
It hasn't.
Mind Blown. I never thought about that, but yes indeed the harder he tried to apologize the more likely it would come off as BS. It's like he needs some kind of internet PR management firm to help him out or something.
If I were him, (I would actually be sorry for acting like a douche) and I would get a hold of the customer from the emails, the owner of the controller company, and Mike from PA -- make an actual apology, in private over the phone or webcam or something. Then I would publicly apologize and announce my retirement from the markatten/customer service business and make a large donation to child's play. I would hope (but not ask) that Mike would post about the genuine sincere apology on PA.
I agree on all your points. This will likely die down soon regardless, but I don't think it needs to stop at all.
Zomba13
Member
- http://ingame.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...stened-gaming-rep-responds-to-internet-infamy
The fuck? Do we know what any of his other clients are? I never ever want to do business with them. If they laugh about it instead of firing his horribly inept arse then they are exactly the type of people who don't give a fuck about their customers that I never want to ever deal with.
EDIT: Wow, fucking Paul is like, master douche. He goes on to complain about how unprofessional Mike/Gabe is. Like he's one to fucking talk. Gabe's 'unprofessional' behaviour was in direct response to Paul's.
Oh wtf? He's going on about how he doesn't show respect to people who insult him and how they don't deserve respect. Is this guy for real? Is he that much of an idiot douche not to realise everything he is saying he dislikes is him?
The interview is really with him right? Not a fake? It reads like a fake. No one is that much of a dense douche.
EDIT2: I also think the worst people in the world ever to have lived are the people who pop into threds with replies liek 'Oh, this is still going on? Let it die.'. They are the fucking worst. Popping into discussions to comment that something is still going and letting people know they don't care but they care that we know they don't care.
br0ken_shad0w
Member
ITT: We learn that The Consumerist is the biggest bully and lynch mob in the entire internet. How dare they post damning info about companies for all to see.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
OK. We basically have the same opinion on this. A debate on the internet has been... resolved!?
flyinpiranha
Member
Where do you draw the line though? Should everybody get away with everything? I'm also a little cynical and I realize an "eye for an eye leaves everyone blind" but if people aren't held accountable for their actions what are we left with?
Is every action upon somebody a "bullying action" now? There is a limit. I don't think it's been reached because this guy doesn't give a shit.
I think that's where our disconnect comes from. You believe he has "learned his lesson" while I do not. I don't see his opinion on the matter changing at all, he's angry he got caught, not for the actions.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
That does seem like the best he could do. And it's totally feasible as well. I just wonder if the volume of harassment he has received has made him feel like he's already paid his debt and a formal, serious apology would be taking things too far. It's easy for a person, any person, to mentally weasel their way out of feeling responsible or like they should change.
But he doesn't need to have a business and a reputation to be an asshole. I guess I am hoping that the longer this continues the more likely he is to realize "Hey everyone hates me because I'm an asshole... maybe I should try to be nicer to people."
That's just it, he will never give a shit. From the interview you can see that he honestly believes that all PR is good PR.
Screaming Fist
Member
Hope in one hand and harass people on the internets in the other, see which fills up faster with results.
.......ah shit, they're both empty.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Exactly. And I have a problem with that. I have a problem with a bunch of people taking it on themselves to be "personality police"
Interficium
Banned
No, but it'll make it a lot harder.
And this is exactly why everyone needs to keep reminding this guy that he's an asshole... Don't let up because that would be too easy on him, we actually have a chance to teach someone a lesson here, with the focused power of internet rage just maybe maybe maybe he won't be able to weasel his way out this time.
Rocket Punch
Member
It's quite scary how the internet can destoy someone's life in the blink of an eye. Not saying he did / didn't have it coming but, HoooooLeeeeeee Sheeet.
Hard lesson to learn.
Hard lesson to learn.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he's probably lying about having any other clients.
I guess I don't see it as a "bunch of people" as much as I see it as society.... and part of it's purpose is to teach you what is and isn't acceptable behavior.
I don't think it's the "personality police" as much as it is that everyone is just letting this guy know he's an asshole, hopefully the by product of which is that he makes amends for his actions and changes his ways.
The Lamonster
Member
His life is not destroyed. He got 7k emails and lost a client.