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Penny-Arcade: "Marketers of the Avenger Controller are thieves and liars".
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Omegasquash
Member
pretty sure flyinphirana was joking
Pretty sure I didn't pick up on that, then. Swing and a miss!
BobTheFork
Member
Without the douche, there is no mob. Without the mob, he's still an asshole and fucking with customers. Take your pick
That's because the customer isn't someone "important"/"influential"/"who has connections he wants"/"the mayor of Boston"/etc.
Omegasquash
Member
Meanwhile in Boston, many Bostonians are scratching their head (myself included) and hoping that the rest of the world doesn't lump us in with this guy on some bad apple/bunch mentality.
How about you move the fuck on?
Zomba13
Member
As I post this I'm only on page 39 (50 ppp, have kept up to date since this morning)
It baffles me how much shit some posters (a small amount) are giving Gabe/Mike for publicising this. Yeah, you could be critical of his follow-up post about willing to see everything burn to take him down or whatever but I'm assuming (assuming mind you) that he was maybe a bit annoyed/fired up so maybe a bit over passionate when writing that.
Apart from that though people seriously don't think bad shit like this should be made available publicly? Do they think it's ok if it happens but not reported? Or do they think it's bad but worse that people are finding out that it's bad and that the dude doing the bad stuff is getting what's coming to him?
Just baffles my small mind. Then again, I quite like the whole 'Treat others as you expect to be treated' thing. I've lived my life by that (being nice to people etc, just like I want people to be nice to me). It was like, one of the first things taught to me so when I see people being dicks to other people for no reason (I understand getting mad at people who are dicks to you and then being dicks back) then I'm quite happy when they get whatever shit that's coming to them. Of course, his family doesn't deserve any of this (maybe the Wife a little if she knows about this and an active part in his 'company') but from what I've seen nothing has happened to them at all. People just found out he has a family via his very open and public Facebook (which again, isn't anyone's fault but his own).
Aaaanyway. Time to read the rest of this thread. I quite like when dicks are exposed to the world and people band together to point out how much of a dick that dick is. (I don't mean penises)
It baffles me how much shit some posters (a small amount) are giving Gabe/Mike for publicising this. Yeah, you could be critical of his follow-up post about willing to see everything burn to take him down or whatever but I'm assuming (assuming mind you) that he was maybe a bit annoyed/fired up so maybe a bit over passionate when writing that.
Apart from that though people seriously don't think bad shit like this should be made available publicly? Do they think it's ok if it happens but not reported? Or do they think it's bad but worse that people are finding out that it's bad and that the dude doing the bad stuff is getting what's coming to him?
Just baffles my small mind. Then again, I quite like the whole 'Treat others as you expect to be treated' thing. I've lived my life by that (being nice to people etc, just like I want people to be nice to me). It was like, one of the first things taught to me so when I see people being dicks to other people for no reason (I understand getting mad at people who are dicks to you and then being dicks back) then I'm quite happy when they get whatever shit that's coming to them. Of course, his family doesn't deserve any of this (maybe the Wife a little if she knows about this and an active part in his 'company') but from what I've seen nothing has happened to them at all. People just found out he has a family via his very open and public Facebook (which again, isn't anyone's fault but his own).
Aaaanyway. Time to read the rest of this thread. I quite like when dicks are exposed to the world and people band together to point out how much of a dick that dick is. (I don't mean penises)
Interficium
Banned
Hi Paul.
I wish there were no "big names" attached to this. Think about what happened: he had some power over a customer and he used it to be an asshole. Then someone with even more power comes along and shits all over him. What is the lesson learned here? It still looks like being influential is all that counts.
If this were only posted on reddit or something, where the harassment is generated entirely by the public, I think it would work much better. I'm less frightened by mobs than by mobs which can be directed by an individual. Plus, the moral seems less corrupted. It shows that what happened is wrong and everyone thinks so; not that what happened is wrong according to some guy who has lots of loyal followers.
I'm not putting the whole blame on "the PA crew" or anything like that; I'm just talking about the appearance of it.
If this were only posted on reddit or something, where the harassment is generated entirely by the public, I think it would work much better. I'm less frightened by mobs than by mobs which can be directed by an individual. Plus, the moral seems less corrupted. It shows that what happened is wrong and everyone thinks so; not that what happened is wrong according to some guy who has lots of loyal followers.
I'm not putting the whole blame on "the PA crew" or anything like that; I'm just talking about the appearance of it.
CoffeeJanitor
Member
I like how the thread blew up only when the title was changed to have Penny-Arcade mentioned.
Neuromancer
Member
You're from Boston, do you know this guy? He's a pretty big deal there I hear.
Interficium
Banned
I just assume all the best Bostonians stay home. We've only got clones of Paul running around here.
all i am saying this guy is irrelevant idiot. He conned his way into some PR contract, he is obviously not fit for the job. Just some random idiot. He is not important. Dime a dozen.
Typical internet stupidity
What exactly is coming to him? He lost a client, lost money and has his name ruined. What more exactly needs to happen?
I don't think Boston will ever recover from this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_bomb_scare
There were probably about three threads concerning this topic (this one included) when this all started, and the mods combined them. In doing so, they kept the PA title. I think the blow up can be attributed more to the merging of three threads than a title change.
Omegasquash
Member
Man he knows that guy at the BCEC that runs the door. Like, all of the doors. Plural. Mega-influence, there. He also knows the mayor, though I was unable to glean whether or not he's from Little Italy or he knows someone from Little Italy, rather the North End, as it's referred to by many Bostonians.
Better watch my commute through Haymarket on my way to the train today though. Apparently I should watch what I say, and all that.
Edit:
Nor should we. That was hilariously embarrassing.
For him to learn his fucking lesson
hey, he knows the guy that works at doors of some club... he is important Bostonian, how come you dont know him? Are you not important?
You're all a bunch of Massholes.
1. He needs to learn the lesson: Don't be an asshole.
2. He needs to stop being an asshole.
3. He needs to apologize for being an asshole.
Will never happen.
BobTheFork
Member
Well, I think stories like this really deserve to be exposed. He acted this way because he didn't care and didn't feel there was any negative consequence for his actions. Can people take things too far? hell yes! I don't think that makes the backlash against him worse than he was but it's up to each person trying to 'take action' against him to behave the way they think he should be behaving.
Interficium
Banned
no you guys remnant is right, halt the internet hate machine!
CoffeeJanitor
Member
Ah, wasn't aware.
CountAntonius
Member
As big a jerk as this guy was this was definitely overblown and ridiculous. If the internet put so much passion towards helping people it could be a great thing.
ElRenoRaven
Member
Pretty much. That interview showed that. He's what you call a lost cause.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I don't think we actually disagree on this. I think it's good that his behavior was made public and his reputation was ruined. Whether he learns something and personally changes is not as important to me as whether other people stop doing business with him. That's what will really teach him a lesson and change his behavior, if anything can. Harassing him further privately rather than publicly doesn't serve anyone.
I'm primarily supportive of the idea that the consequences of his actions will deter his shitty behavior in the future. I'm not as supportive of him getting mean emails from wingnuts because "he deserves it." I mean, who's to say how long he should be privately harassed, if that's indeed a legitimate response to his actions.
If he continues to treat people badly and that once again becomes public knowledge, then people should continue to publicly shit on him. But if we don't have evidence of that, personal attacks are no longer necessary, if they ever were.
I know, doesn't mean we can't laugh at his expense. mhua ha ha
Neuromancer
Member
You laugh but someday the Mooninites will strike and then who will be laughing?
GhostWriter24
Member
Kinda childish for Mike to air his laundry on the internet like that but yeah, the controller guy is unreal for responding that way. What a great big mess.
And we would know this when? When he admits he shouldn't fuck with PAX guys?
This whole concept that the internet community taking this up as a moral issue is stupid.
And he is going to learn this by everyone being an asshole to him? That's not really how this works.
Unless you plan on harassing this dude for a long fucking time.
People want an apology. He hasn't given a legitimate one yet.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Ah, I see. We're approaching this from different angles. You think its about teaching him some kind of "lesson"
Omegasquash
Member
Just the ones with the bumper sticker that says "Masshole." It'll be nice if there are some chuckles about it at PAX this year, though let's consider the high possibility that it will be long forgotten by then.
Don't you have anything better to do with your life? It's the middle of the holidays and your highpoint of the season is sending threats to his wfe/kid.
Interficium
Banned
He needs to be brought low for his hubris.
The internet is merely fulfilling a role the ancient gods used to serve in.
You really think I'd stoop so low?
I'm actually in a bush outside his house, I'm posting this from an iPad while stealing his wifi.
The internet is merely fulfilling a role the ancient gods used to serve in.
You really think I'd stoop so low?
I'm actually in a bush outside his house, I'm posting this from an iPad while stealing his wifi.
I don't think we're disagreeing either (but then again I know the mayor of boston). I just think we're viewing the "punishment" from two different angles.
I could really care less if he ever lost a cent IF he had just come out and said "Yea, I was being a dick. I'm sorry I shouldn't do that, I won't do that anymore." I don't think anything should stop until that happens.... which will probably never happen so I say let the internet rage on.
Edit: He has to actually stop being an asshole too... just saying it out loud doesn't count.
Neuromancer
Member
:lol good one
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Has anyone in this thread actually admitted to sending threats? (Real question, haven't read the whole thing.)
1. Dude shouldn't have treated his customer that way
2. When contacted by someone with an email ending with @penny-arcade.com about how poorly he's treating his customer. Dude should have backed off and promised to make it up to his customer.
2A. Related to above. Dude should freaking know who runs PAX and Penny Arcade seeing as he is in the business of marketing video game accessories.
3. Having failed at points 1 and 2 dude should have proceeded to abjectly and completely apologise TO THE CUSTOMER. AND THEN to all the customers that did not get the controllers they paid for by the time they were promised. Issue a complete and total Mea Culpa, ask the controller company to give refunds to however asks for them, ask them to give a deep discount for all of them, pay for it out of his own pocket if he has to and humbly ask everyone to give the controller another chance. NOT try to turn this into some bullshit 15 minutes of fame thing.
He's making it worse on himself at every step. It's up to him to defuse the situation and the dude seems to have no idea how to do it.
2. When contacted by someone with an email ending with @penny-arcade.com about how poorly he's treating his customer. Dude should have backed off and promised to make it up to his customer.
2A. Related to above. Dude should freaking know who runs PAX and Penny Arcade seeing as he is in the business of marketing video game accessories.
3. Having failed at points 1 and 2 dude should have proceeded to abjectly and completely apologise TO THE CUSTOMER. AND THEN to all the customers that did not get the controllers they paid for by the time they were promised. Issue a complete and total Mea Culpa, ask the controller company to give refunds to however asks for them, ask them to give a deep discount for all of them, pay for it out of his own pocket if he has to and humbly ask everyone to give the controller another chance. NOT try to turn this into some bullshit 15 minutes of fame thing.
He's making it worse on himself at every step. It's up to him to defuse the situation and the dude seems to have no idea how to do it.
Wait, who here has been threatening his wife and kid?
Also, I'm at work so fuck your holidays
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
If all that matters is whether he says those words (with no way to tell if he's sincere) and not whether he actually changes his behavior (i.e. learns something) then I don't see the point of continuing to rail against him.
And even if he does change his behavior, we're unlikely to find out. People who behave well don't start shitstorms like this and aren't discussed. We'll have no way of knowing, based solely on the lack of negative news about him, whether he became a better person or just failed out of his chosen career. Basically what I'm saying is there's no clear criterion for when the harassment would no longer be deserved.
Apologies if these have been posted in the last 44 pages but I found them hilarious:
http://wwebsiteasontheinternet.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqV9kx40RG0
http://wwebsiteasontheinternet.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqV9kx40RG0
Great, did I say I was blaming PA? No, I said the opposite. The outcome wouldn't have changed much if Gabe didn't write anything about it. Glad we agree on that. I'm saying I would prefer it if he hadn't, since then the same thing would happen AND there would be no way to see it as a bully being clobbered by an even bigger bully.
Isn't it? If it was just about revenge would anyone besides primary parties involved care? He didn't do anything to me.... I thought we were all just trying to make the world a better place. Curse my hippy parents.
Why not? You fuck up, you get punished... you learn something. Right? Isn't that exactly how it works?
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Why?
Okay. I'll stop with the Jesse Thorn Hate now.
The interview with Paul was a lulz-fest. I like how he compliments Mike but then goes on to bash him.
I've said it once, it bears repeating: I don't know how these people get hired.
elrechazado
Banned
Your mayor has been doing a good job of damage control in this very thread.
My understanding of the situation is that Dave sent it to various places like Kotaku, reddit, Penny-Arcade, etc. and PA was just the first to jump in on it. I like to think this probably would have been the result anyway, hence my confusion at the amount of flak thrown to the guys at PA, even without their involvement.
But, yeah, we really don't know. Would have been a lot more "meaningful" had it just been the internet striking back without the whole "Sorry I offended someone famous" angle there.