sonikokaruto
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oh i was over there and it never happened on the 405.
then i went to east LA ... and i saw some things
People who turn left in traffic when there is no left turn lane
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oh i was over there and it never happened on the 405.
then i went to east LA ... and i saw some things
StopMakingSense
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No, it's even worse, he's mad at people turning left at INTERSECTIONS. SIGNALED INTERSECTIONS.
Nappuccino
Member
That's because your second one is factually wrong.
Two Rights make a 180.
Three Rights make a left.
Lurn to turn, bro
People don't already do this? Baffling.
Elrond Hubbard
Neo Member
ITT: I'll hold up a dozen people. Fuck it, it's legal.
I tried that after reading that UPS article but my city's infrastructure is so shitty that that is impossible to do. But I only turn to the left if it's a legal turn.
unholyrevenger72
Banned
Go down the street a block or two to a left hand turn lane and double back... are you gonna pay me in the time i just wasted? if not GTFO
Left turns with a turn lane are leftovers from a previous era when traffic volumes weren't as high. They're still legal vehicle maneouvers but highly inefficient and can quickly ruin traffic flow in areas not built to handle such interruptions.
edit: I should also add that this also applies to unlighted intersections.
The biggest problem in North American cities is that many cities have done away with traffic circles. They're absolutely wonderful in areas that only see peak hour volume and can contain the left turn scourge without costing an arm and a leg.
edit: I should also add that this also applies to unlighted intersections.
The biggest problem in North American cities is that many cities have done away with traffic circles. They're absolutely wonderful in areas that only see peak hour volume and can contain the left turn scourge without costing an arm and a leg.
While I don't live in LA (OC baby), I understand your pain. The problem is, it's not always the drivers fault. Blame LA for its shit traffic system and narrow ass streets. I mean, I'm not going to to keep driving block after block when I could've made my turn 10 blocks back. It's a wonder more people don't go ballistic, though. They've just recently decided to expand the motherfucking I5 after all these years. I mean, a city with millions of people in it and three lanes to get into it from the south (with no carpool). Blame that shit on LA and their shortsighted city planners.
unholyrevenger72
Banned
Generally I don't have an issue with it, since I generally have enough room to move a lane over or I'm not waiting too long (if at all).
Indeed. Terrible people.
Indeed. Terrible people.
Fantastic. Needs to come to London.
ScottSullivan
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Seems like we have a few closet psychos on the board with all these traffic threads being posted lately
outunderthestars
Banned
What the fuck? Why did you post that?
How about learn to anticipate where you are going?
Is this accurate? So the people behind the turner get pissed?
If the guy in the right lane is going to just stop traffic until the left lane has a break so he can get over because he was too aloof to realize he needed to be in the left lane or too dickish to drive up a ways and either get over and find a uturn or find a 4 way light signal that he can right turn, uturn and then go left. Which would get him back onto the street he needs to then turn right into. Screw that inconsiderate selfish mentality and anyone justifying inconsiderate drivers.
Now if that is supposed to be a two way street with one lane for each side I am ok with a left turn assuming there is no nearby uturn or traffic signal that could serve the same purpose with less slowing of traffic.
Funny this thread came up too. On my way home I saw a wreck at a supermarket with notorious left turners. A four lane street hugs the lot the supermarket is in with one of several exits that people like to left turn out of to cut across. Often holding people up for entire light signals as they block eastbound traffic trying to cut across to turn westbound. The left hand turner seemingly hit an oncoming car given the location and spot of damage. Looked minor and no one was hurt. But not only was that a dickish thing to do, it is often dangerous and can lead to accidents. Hope it teaches him/her a lesson to just use the fucking traffic signal coming out of the supermarket next time that will achieve the same purpose but maybe take a minute of his/her life longer.
yeah but then you run into buses. You have to zig zag through the traffic.
Oppo
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it may have been mentioned, but Toronto tried to deal with this.
most downtown / busy intersections have signs that you can only turn left on non rush hours. I.e, it'll say no left turns between 7-10am and 3-6pm. sometimes not even right.
the problems with this are that the signs aren't that big and out of towners often miss then, then get bewildered when everyone starts honking at them as they put on their left signal.
but to the OP's point, it has sort of trained me on how to get anywhere using only right turns, heh.
most downtown / busy intersections have signs that you can only turn left on non rush hours. I.e, it'll say no left turns between 7-10am and 3-6pm. sometimes not even right.
the problems with this are that the signs aren't that big and out of towners often miss then, then get bewildered when everyone starts honking at them as they put on their left signal.
but to the OP's point, it has sort of trained me on how to get anywhere using only right turns, heh.
I make sure to ram anyone who dares inconvenience me because I am the only person on the road surrounded by sheeple.
zorlaczerohero
Banned
So your going along and want to turn right but there is traffic coming towards you, you sit waiting for a gap, people behind get pissed at waiting. Except in the UK this is a none issue, if you want to make a legal turn you make it and people have a bit of patience. I've honestly never heard this brought up as a problem, in the UK or Australia.
sixteen-bit
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Consider my gears obliterated
anarckitty
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Yes. I find it even more irritating when they have a left turn lane, but there is no leading green. It wouldn't be so bad if these places were on streets where you actually have a lull in the traffic coming the other way. Essentially the lane is put there for you to gtfo of the way of drivers wanting to drive straight, and then you have to run the red light (or turn on yellow).
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Meh, it's a problem with roads. There are a lot of busy streets in Atlanta with NO left turn lanes for long stretches. Mostly because they decided to add more traffic lanes and get rid of center turn lanes. They did finally reverse that on one major street (a busy stretch of Ponce de Leon Ave) and put a center turn lane back in which helps a ton. But there are long stretches of Peachtree St and some other big roads where you'll go several blocks with no center turn lane or turn lane at lights.
This. Who the fuck cares about someone turning left legally?
It's technically illegal to sit in the middle of the intersection to wait for your spot to turn left. So if there are drivers that don't do it, as annoying as it is, they are following the letter of the law.
It's not illegal here. In fact, in driver's ed they teach you to do it.
Outside of a few hyper specific instances when I'm in the city near me I don't make left turns. So much better.
In the suburbs? What the fuck ever.
OP, they're 100% in the right here to make their left turn where they legally can, and you're 100% being the annoying driver.
You might benefit from some anger management courses. Or hugging a kitten or something.
The Albatross
Member
Wait a second ... if you have to turn left, what the hell are you supposed to do, just not go where you have to go for the sake of people behind you? You beep at people who are turning left into their driveway instead of pulling a u-turn further up the road? OP is clinically insane and should not have a license.
95% of the left turns I make are in lanes that aren't dedicated to left turns or at lights without left turn signal. Welcome to New England, where roads were put into a pre-existing city, instead of cities being put into pre-existing roads.
95% of the left turns I make are in lanes that aren't dedicated to left turns or at lights without left turn signal. Welcome to New England, where roads were put into a pre-existing city, instead of cities being put into pre-existing roads.
God Dayumm
Banned
New Jersey Uber Alles
The intersecting street has to be a one way for that to work
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Exactly my thinking after reading the part about making it a mission to flick the bird as they drive by. I need to re-read that Docpan restaurant thread now.
Jack Remington
Banned
No one has a house on one of these streets. I'm honking at people turning from Santa Monica Blvd onto Gower or something.
I'm going to assume most of you aren't from traffic towns. There's not much difference between what I'm doing and honking at someone who doesn't move when the light turns green.
Delaying numerous people because you can't plan your route better is a scumbag move through and through, and the people who do it need to be publicly harassed and shamed.
I'll add my vote to "OP is the real asshole" just so there is no confusion on where public opinion lies.
OP if you're laying on your horn not to signal something meaningful to another driver, but to express your impotent rage to all the world, you're being a dick to everyone within earshot. It's bad enough to be stuck in traffic, but being next to the guy who is constantly laying on the horn like he's raging at the gods from atop the mountains makes it unbearable. The fact you're doing this in response to a legal maneuver just boosts your dick factor even further.
Jack Remington
Banned
If anything I'm standing up for the drivers behind me who are also being delayed by this idiot microaggressing against them. They probably appreciate it. I'm the hero they deserve.
Anyway, I'm signaling that they should move the hell forward and stop holding up traffic. That's meaningful.
Anyway, I'm signaling that they should move the hell forward and stop holding up traffic. That's meaningful.
Da DreadLord
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Honking like that is actually illegal here. I'd assume it's the same there.
Yup, if you are on top of your game then you will be able to anticipate these moments. You can't always expect people to drive blocks away from where they need to go just because you weren't paying attention. There is a reason why there are two lanes in this instance.
We have this happen all the time on Seattle roads, and it is annoying, but it is just a part of the system, when there wasn't enough space to build an actual turn lane.
If you honk because someone is trying to turn then you're just being an asshole (my opinion).
New Jersey Uber Alles
That's only one kind of jug-handle. The one I see more often is Type C in this pic:
I don't think I've ever seen Type B. Must be a North Jersey thing.
Jack Remington
Banned
Okay, people bogart the time of everyone behind them without a second thought, but the guy who protests this is the asshole. Sure.
No doubt this is something that some of you do. Please stop if this is the case.
I also want to reiterate that the OP said "in traffic". Nobody is really affected if you do this at noon or 9pm.
Some of the replies make it clear that there's a fundamental misunderstanding here. "Just move over" isn't an option in heavy traffic. "Anticipate it" is hit or miss. "Stay in the right lane" also isn't really an option most times (one bus that stops to pick up a disabled person can wipe out all the time savings by itself).
It would be much easier just to have people stop laying claim to other people's time.
Whoever suggested writing to the city council, I will do that.
No doubt this is something that some of you do. Please stop if this is the case.
I also want to reiterate that the OP said "in traffic". Nobody is really affected if you do this at noon or 9pm.
Some of the replies make it clear that there's a fundamental misunderstanding here. "Just move over" isn't an option in heavy traffic. "Anticipate it" is hit or miss. "Stay in the right lane" also isn't really an option most times (one bus that stops to pick up a disabled person can wipe out all the time savings by itself).
It would be much easier just to have people stop laying claim to other people's time.
Whoever suggested writing to the city council, I will do that.
Having been in the situation where I was one of the other delayed drivers in a no-fault situation, but also stuck alongside someone who was simply laying on the horn like there's no tomorrow, let me just tell that, NO, we don't appreciate it.
Stop it.
You're not Traffic Batman.
You're just an asshole making the whole situation worse and more stressful for everyone.
Get over yourself.
Jack Remington
Banned
You don't appreciate it.
I've gotten incredible catharsis out of being behind someone who did this.
I've gotten incredible catharsis out of being behind someone who did this.
Where is this illegal? And it's not like you're gonna get hit by oncoming traffic or anything either as you wait. At least not in Ontario, Canada.
TyrantGuardian
Member
So, you're still only thinking about yourself not giving a single shit about other drivers on the road, and somehow the other people are sociopaths? What's wrong with you?
Jack Remington
Banned
Wait, this doesn't compute at all.
Someone who reduces one of the busiest streets in one of the most congested cities in the world to 50% flow for minutes at a time to make a single turn is thinking only about himself.
What I'm doing isn't in the same ballpark, league, or sport.
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