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[cocopuffs]

wow, that was such a good episode. actually teared up during the last act.

was kind of not looking forward to having an episode that doesnt deal with samaritan/main-arc this close to the end but wow, this was a stellar episode. definitely a series great.

noticed that the show does best with its experimental episodes (relevance, root path, if then else, terra incognita).

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Only problem I had with the episode was it was a 1 off bad guy, would have worked much better if this had happened in connection with the main arc.

This episode did nothing for me :/

Then again I never really liked Carter so /shrug.

Carter wasn't the point though, it was all Reese.

 

[cocopuffs]

Only problem I had with the episode was it was a 1 off bad guy, would have worked much better if this had happened in connection with the main arc.


Carter wasn't the point though, it was all Reese.

I think it would have been kind of contrived if it connected with the main arc.

I mean, season 3 I think came close to facing this problem, with every "number of the week" conveniently having something to do with the main-arc. sometimes a one-off number is a good thing.

 

[RangersFan]

That was the worst episode of the series so far. Which speaks volumes of the level of quality the show is at. In fact probably the only bad episode on the entire run so far.

 

[lastflowers]

just realized what was going on when the show first started. The gunshot sound, knowing that Carter was on, made me think the episode was starting off with a flashback of her shooting.

Instead, it's the moment when he shot the guy with the shovel, gets up and goes to the car, with the 1st visual scene being him in the car with Finch.

Also, nice callback to Finch's bathroom during a stakeout bit (forgot to bring your water bottle?)

holy shit, yeah.

Loved this episode, despite its goofiness.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

Only problem I had with the episode was it was a 1 off bad guy, would have worked much better if this had happened in connection with the main arc.

Would have defeated the purpose of the writers of Reese being so careless to just feel closer to Carter. Not to mention that if it were connected to the main arc, Finch and Root would have found him pretty quick, because there's no way he'd take on a mission against Samaritan alone.

That was the worst episode of the series so far. Which speaks volumes of the level of quality the show is at. In fact probably the only bad episode on the entire run so far.

It's curious how divisive this episode has been. Even you seem to be somewhat positive on it heh.

 

[Doorman]

This episode did nothing for me :/

Then again I never really liked Carter so /shrug. And I was hoping for Fusco to save him so he would stop treating him shit, that shit was funny when Fusco was a bad guy but he's more than proven himself

I was never big on Carter either, but they made it a point as this episode went on to show how none of it really was about Carter, it was about John and trying to come to terms with how dysfunctional his viewpoint is. He nearly died because he kept everybody around him pushed away, all because he wanted one last chance to feel like he was working closely with someone else...who it turns out he also never actually let in even if he felt like he was. His greatest flaw turned around and stared back at him through Carter's eyes. Saddening to think that some part of him really does want to reach out to others, and the only way he can bring himself to do it is by reaching out to someone who's been dead for a year.

Agreed on Fusco, though. He's had his rare couple of shining moments but it still seems like they keep him kinda separated from everyone else in importance. I get that he lacks the insane skills of the rest of the current team but at this point he's the one with his head most screwed-on straight and I wish he had more of a chance to impress his outlook on the others.

 

[foxtrot3d]

I'm sorry, but if you think Flash is the best show on TV, I think you need to reevaluate. Like, everything.

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And I'm not saying PoI is either.

Or just accept the fact that other people have different tastes and views. Flash has kept me consistently entertained and excited throughout it's entire first season, no other show on TV right now does that for me. And I'm including GoT which only annoys me now after changing so much from the books. Flash is just plain fun. Now, is it the best written or acted show on TV? Hell no. But, that doesn't change my opinion of the show as the best thing on TV right now.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

It's curious how divisive this episode has been. Even you seem to be somewhat positive on it heh.

Yeah, it's weird how that is. I'm somewhere in the middle on it.

Or just accept the fact that other people have different tastes and views. Flash has kept me consistently entertained and excited throughout it's entire first season, no other show on TV right now does that for me. And I'm including GoT which only annoys me now after changing so much from the books. Flash is just plain fun. Now, is it the best written or acted show on TV? Hell no. But, that doesn't change my opinion of the show as the best thing on TV right now.

I don't want to derail the topic any more, but being your favorite does not equate to being the best.

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It's also not GoT.

 

[Patryn]

Only problem I had with the episode was it was a 1 off bad guy, would have worked much better if this had happened in connection with the main arc.

I think it was important thematically that it was a one-off bad guy.

I think part of the power of the whole situation is that John was dying due to just some small matter, and in some grand heroic fashion during the struggle against Samaritan.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

I think it was important thematically that it was a one-off bad guy.

I think part of the power of the whole situation is that John was dying due to just some small matter, and in some grand heroic fashion during the struggle against Samaritan.

Yeah I see your point.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Yeah, it's weird how that is. I'm somewhere in the middle on it.



I don't want to derail the topic any more, but being your favorite does not equate to being the best.

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It's also not GoT.

Well then what is the best? Also, "favorite" and "best" are both subjective opinions.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Well then what is the best? Also, "favorite" and "best" are both subjective opinions.

Alright, let's take it back a notch; I don't think I want to argue semantics.

My problem is/was that The Flash, or even PoI or GoT, have too many flaws to be considered true "bests", which is what I thought you were trying to say. I would say that even if we're talking about my personal opinion on what's best, even though they are some of my favorites.

In my opinion, the best drama on television is a toss-up between The Americans and The Good Wife.

 

[Verger]

Finally caught up with the last episode. Man that was an emotional roller coaster. I love how they structured the ep too, starting from a simple scene where you think it is a flashback, but you start picking up slight details and nuances that make you begin to realize it is more than that.

And yeah, it all led up to those last 15 minutes. The POI ended up being pretty irrelevant though other than just being a simple cold case of Carter's, though in a way I'm glad they didn't try to make it have more meaning than that. It was just a vehicle needed to get John where he was so we could hear him finally bear his soul to Carter, only to realize it only happened in his head. Maybe my memory is foggy but I always thought Jessica left him, yet he now admits it was the other way around, and he left her not just to spare her, but because he felt not having any bonds would make him a better soldier, which it did as Kara made good use of him.

I wonder how John will grow from this experience? Will he open up to Iris or will he walk away again.

Was so nice to see Carter again anyway. The show hasn't been the same without her and the chemistry she and John had is undeniable, which he doesn't have with any of the other cast, as he admitted. Though again I suppose we'll see if this changes him to start talking more to the others.


This definitely felt like an oddly placed episode to have after the previous one though. I wonder as others have if this ep was meant to air earlier in the Season. What threw me for a loop in the last episode was Martine's new hairdo and especially when she let it down, I didn't recognize her. It was actually kind of underwhelming that Root got her bested so easily and kind of a logic leap that she couldn't find a quicker way to kill her before being pulled away by John

 

[Chariot]

Maybe Martine isn't an actually person but a set of augmented humans and the new one isn't actually Martine with a new hairdo, but an rebuild Shaw.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

Maybe my memory is foggy but I always thought Jessica left him, yet he now admits it was the other way around, and he left her not just to spare her, but because he felt not having any bonds would make him a better soldier, which it did as Kara made good use of him.

John had left her for the reason stated in the episode, all the way back to S1. Here's a video.

It was actually kind of underwhelming that Root got her bested so easily and kind of a logic leap that she couldn't find a quicker way to kill her before being pulled away by John

Yeah, this part was awkward, I always did like thinking Martine was an unstoppable Terminator, but it appears that just as Root, she depends on God Mode to be that Terminator.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I know a lot of people in here have had this annoyance for years, but I'd like to highlight once again that watching this show on CBS' whim is incredibly annoying.

I very much regret catching up due to this terrible scheduling

168 HOURS UNTIL EP21

Argh!

 

[Jpop]

No episode tonight :<

 

[Deleted member 80556]

I know a lot of people in here have had this annoyance for years, but I'd like to highlight once again that watching this show on CBS' whim is incredibly annoying.

I very much regret catching up due to this terrible scheduling

168 HOURS UNTIL EP21

Argh!

Dude I totally get you, specially having come off of the high of S3, which is God tier.

Also, your post is torture.

 

[Cripplegate]

In the meantime, here's a scene from 4x21:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EgF8cJ5vtQ

Yo, dis gonna be gud.

How about a little speculation / some bets on who will live or die:

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Jonah teased that up to six characters will die in the finale.

I feel confident about: Control (nobody has taken on Samaritan and lived, outside of the Irrelevent Seven), Martine (as cathartic comeuppance; Team Machine needs a small victory, so I imagine Root will finally take her out) and Elias (he's a survivor, but it has been four seasons and I feel his story is over; either he loses the war with Dominic, or he winds up on Samaritan's radar, as foreshadowed back in 4x04).

Three more, as potentials: Dominic, of course (either he loses the war, or is overthrown as foreshadowed) and then maybe Greer (same reasons, given the parallels that have been drawn between these two characters and how they treat their subordinates) and finally I hate to think it but maybe Fusco (if this is war, there will undoubtedly be casualties on both sides, and Fusco is going to be in the heat of the street battle).

I don't think Reese, Finch or Root are going down just yet. They'll live to fight in season five.

 

[Lonestar]

In the meantime, here's a scene from 4x21:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EgF8cJ5vtQ

Yo, dis gonna be gud.

How about a little speculation / some bets on who will live or die:

Spoiler

Jonah teased that up to six characters will die in the finale.

I feel confident about: Control (nobody has taken on Samaritan and lived, outside of the Irrelevent Seven), Martine (as cathartic comeuppance; Team Machine needs a small victory, so I imagine Root will finally take her out) and Elias (he's a survivor, but it has been four seasons and I feel his story is over; either he loses the war with Dominic, or he winds up on Samaritan's radar, as foreshadowed back in 4x04).

Three more, as potentials: Dominic, of course (either he loses the war, or is overthrown as foreshadowed) and then maybe Greer (same reasons, given the parallels that have been drawn between these two characters and how they treat their subordinates) and finally I hate to think it but maybe Fusco (if this is war, there will undoubtedly be casualties on both sides, and Fusco is going to be in the heat of the street battle).

I don't think Reese, Finch or Root are going down just yet. They'll live to fight in season five.

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Interesting.

I feel that Reese is safe, as he's just had a near death experience, i.e. similar to Fusco's near death before Carter's real one.

Also feel like Finch still has more to do, at least leading up to having him shoot a gun. Can't have multiple scenes about wanting Finch to practice shooting and not pay those scenes off.

I still feel we'll see Shaw once more before the end of the season. Half wonder if they'll bring her out, just to kill her off. To really try and destroy Team Machine's spirit.

I'd lean more toward Root than Fusco. If Fusco gets killed, at this point he'll die not knowing what it was all about (AI's). Be careful if in the leadup to the end, if they let him in on it all.

Root potential death might tie into rushing into saving Shaw, or saving the Machine

Also, oh shit, I saw the episode synopsis for the season finale......

It's big, perhaps too big, though most knew something like it was going to happen

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YHWH
Finch and Root race to save The Machine, which has been located by the rival AI, Samaritan. Also, Reese is caught in the middle of the final showdown between rival crime bosses Elias and Dominic.

There's also a 2nd appearance of a certain character this season.

 

[Chariot]

I know a lot of people in here have had this annoyance for years, but I'd like to highlight once again that watching this show on CBS' whim is incredibly annoying.

I very much regret catching up due to this terrible scheduling

168 HOURS UNTIL EP21

Argh!

Ha. Every tried watching Gravity Falls?

 

[ZenaxPure]

Spoiler

YHWH
Finch and Root race to save The Machine, which has been located by the rival AI, Samaritan. Also, Reese is caught in the middle of the final showdown between rival crime bosses Elias and Dominic.

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I can't say I was expecting both storylines to be active at the end of the season, figured the elias stuff would get pushed into next season. I am really interested in seeing them pull this off....

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Also I feel like we are leaving off one potential death, what if The Machine dies?

 

[Lonestar]

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I can't say I was expecting both storylines to be active at the end of the season, figured the elias stuff would get pushed into next season. I am really interested in seeing them pull this off....

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Also I feel like we are leaving off one potential death, what if The Machine dies?

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That rumor is also spreading, leading off from the thoughts about what Root was doing with Caleb's company a few episodes ago.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Ha. Every tried watching Gravity Falls?

Never watched, but just had a breakdown looking at the episode listing on Wikipedia. 20 episodes spread randomly over about 40 weeks makes CBS seem sane.

Also, I have now got it into my head that an animated episode of POI would be great

 

[lastflowers]

THAT IS A LOT OF

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/. No way in hell am I going to click on any of it.

 

[Cripplegate]

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Also I feel like we are leaving off one potential death, what if The Machine dies?

Yo wut.

Would the show really do this.

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They already lost the battle at the end of S3, will they really lose the war? I mean that would be an incredible swerve but there would have to be a catch, if only because this is still a CBS thing and they need a number every week, right?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

THAT IS A LOT OF

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/. No way in hell am I going to click on any of it.

It's mostly speculation based on rumors. Nothing concrete.

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There's also a 2nd appearance of a certain character this season.

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Which one?

Yo wut.

Would the show really do this.

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They already lost the battle at the end of S3, will they really lose the war? I mean that would be an incredible swerve but there would have to be a catch, if only because this is still a CBS thing and they need a number every week, right?

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Where would they go from there? As far as crazy, earth-shattering developments go, if the Machine dies out and Samaritan ends up being the big bad for the rest of the series, I think we'd be fresh out of them. I wouldn't say that the need for numbers is what's going to keep the Machine safe, though; Good Wife is on CBS and it almost went full serial last season and early this season. It can certainly happen.

Even though there's been less reliance on the Machine this season, it's still been there backing up the team. Removing the Machine from the equation really puts them in a terrible position and I question where they'd be able to even keep up the fight against Samaritan.

 

[Lonestar]

It's mostly speculation based on rumors. Nothing concrete.

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Which one?

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Caleb, the kid from the Pi episode, who appeared at the end of an episode recently, as the head of some large tech company involving his data storage algorithm, that Root talked to.

This lead to theories of "is Root going to secretly backup the Machine via the algorithm" in case of emergency, such as deletion/destruction via Samaritan.

Interestingly, the finale also still stars Dominic and Elias. So, fingers crossed for some sort of Caleb/Dominic/Finch revelation moment.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

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Caleb, the kid from the Pi episode, who appeared at the end of an episode recently, as the head of some large tech company involving his data storage algorithm, that Root talked to.

This lead to theories of "is Root going to secretly backup the Machine via the algorithm" in case of emergency, such as deletion/destruction via Samaritan.

Interestingly, the finale also still stars Dominic and Elias. So, fingers crossed for some sort of Caleb/Dominic/Finch revelation moment.

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Oh, yeah, shit. I was thinking of Caleb too, but I wasn't sure that's who you were talking about.

I must have missed those theories (other than what's mentioned above), but based on that, I think it's reasonable, especially considering what Finch tells Caleb way back when about keeping his code close.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

Ha. Every tried watching Gravity Falls?

I feel bad for GF fans. I watch it too, but it takes an eternity for it to come to Colombia. It's like Disney seriously wants it to fail since they can't make many toys out of it.

 

[Cripplegate]

I'm liking these theories about

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Caleb

. Hadn't even thought of the two plots crossing over like that. There are so many moving pieces this season (and chess has been used as a metaphor at least twice, in 4x04 and 4x11) that I really don't know where this could go. Almost forgot about Harper getting texts from Thornhill, too; surprised that didn't even get mentioned in the subsequent episodes. Where is that going?

Anyways, now we have the official promo for 4x21:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0kkPm62jYQ

Yo, did not expect that.

First thought:

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Lonestar might be right? We're actually going to get Shaw one more time before the finale?

Second thought:

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The Machine imitated Special Council back in S2, to approve the order to move itself. Samaritan can do anything The Machine can do and more. itsatrap.jpg

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I'm liking these theories about

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Caleb

. Hadn't even thought of the two plots crossing over like that. There are so many moving pieces this season (and chess has been used as a metaphor at least twice, in 4x04 and 4x11) that I really don't know where this could go. Almost forgot about Harper getting texts from Thornhill, too; surprised that didn't even get mentioned in the subsequent episodes. Where is that going?

Anyways, now we have the official promo for 4x21:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0kkPm62jYQ

Yo, did not expect that.

First thought:

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Lonestar might be right? We're actually going to get Shaw one more time before the finale?

Second thought:

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The Machine imitated Special Council back in S2, to approve the order to move itself. Samaritan can do anything The Machine can do and more. itsatrap.jpg

Yo, HOLD THE PHONE!

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sorry, I know I'm terrible

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My brain isn't going to be able to wrap around how much shit is going to go down in these next two episodes. I just hope they don't rush things and if they can't finish something up, it's perfectly ok to leave it for next season. Just, pls, don't screw this up guys.

It's probable that if there's a Shaw scene, it will have been prerecorded. Could be a trap, sure.... or it could be they're going to give us a final goodbye. I don't know what to think about anything anymore. All I know is... bring on Tuesday.

 

[Baskcm]

Wait was there a episode this week I've lost track

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Wait was there a episode this week I've lost track

No

 

[Baskcm]

No

Balls season 3 went up on UK Netflix I think

 

[generaldane]

Why is CBS scheduling so shit?

 

[Goodstyle]

That preview... Oh my God... I... I can't.... Oh god oh man oh god oh man oh GOD!

 

[Sober]

Person of Interest: Miami will be coming to CBS this fall

http://hrld.us/1d6XxPk

 

[Nobility]

Person of Interest: Miami will be coming to CBS this fall

http://hrld.us/1d6XxPk

For a moment, I actually thought a spin-off was coming.

CBS should should be tried in court for the injustice of making us wait this long.

Fools, Samaritan will absorb and control this design.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

For a moment, I actually thought a spin-off was coming.

CBS should should be tried in court for the injustice of making us wait this long.

Fools, Samaritan will absorb and control this design.

Thought so too and almost had a heart attack, and not the good kind!

Samaritan won't absorb this, some politicians will have dirt dug up and the program will be done for.

But damn, this is scary:

&#8220;We all thought it was somewhat hocus pocus and Minority Report,&#8221; she said, referring to the Steven Spielberg sci-fi film in which police used psychic powers to stop murders before they happened. &#8220;We could see if PredPol was predicting fairly well. It&#8217;s kind of scary, because they were.&#8221;

It&#8217;s just one example of how police are using software to solve or prevent crimes. Miami-Dade&#8217;s robbery division, for instance, uses an IBM program called Blue PALMS to solve cold cases. The software has a database of every crime ever documented by Miami-Dade police, and detectives can punch in an old crime report and get a list of 20 suspects within one minute.

 

[danielcw]

For a moment, I actually thought a spin-off was coming.

Yeah, me too. The moment was long enough for the machine to create 20 pilot scenarios

 

[Jay Shadow]

Person of Interest: Miami will be coming to CBS this fall

That's just called Burn Notice. Cause who needs a machine to predict crime when the future victims just find you and ask for help?

 

[Lonestar]

Person of Interest: Miami will be coming to CBS this fall

http://hrld.us/1d6XxPk

For all your POI gif needs.

 

[Cripplegate]

24 hours until the war begins.

I don't think this preview has been posted yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-hsqHATAu0

It's similar to the one before but with some extra footage.

This shit is looking wild.

 

[danielcw]

Finally caught up with the earlier episodes.
(still missing the first few episodes of season 3)

I started getting into the show in season 3, when Root was already present, and the mythology of the machine was in full force, and Samaritan was in full force.
I never really cared much about the Mafia and HR stuff in the first 2 seasons, though it gave the characters some great episodes.
My favourite stand-alone plots were the Stasi-agent and the drugged doctor, both were really sad.
As a counter point I loved the fun we had, in "God-mode", which is probably my favourite episode as of now.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

Yep, those are my favorite Season 1 episodes.

The ending of that Stasi episode called "Foe" was pretty good, where both John and Finch realize that they'll probably end up dead at the end of their crusade, and if they'll be remembered.. Not to mention the great contrast between Kohl and John.

And the doctor episode, if you mean Cura Te Ipsum is pretty awesome. That final scene.

 

[danielcw]

And the doctor episode, if you mean Cura Te Ipsum is pretty awesome. That final scene.

I meant http://personofinterest.wikia.com/wiki/In_Extremis In Extremis.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

Oh that one is great. Carter being forced to do something to prevent an injustice while at the same time going against the law she follows.

John helping an already dead POI to take revenge. The final scene of the number there is great too.

 

[maxcriden]

No idea if anyone is interested, but we're moving and selling a lot of stuff and I came across POI season 1 DVDs. If anyone wants it PM me. Thanks!