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Persona Community Thread |OT4| The Golden Number
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P3FES had cutscenes+The Answer portion, P3P gets Female MC along with a few other tracks. they both got their pros and cons
I'm typically hopeless at fighters (especially technical ones) but this looks like a lot of fun even if I'm just mashing. The backgrounds are fantastic too; I hope we can expect some neat stuff like that in P5.
Tiu Neo
Member
IMO, there's no "best" version of P3. P3P has the better dungeon exploring and revamped battle system, while everything outside Tartarus/Boss Battles is better on FES. It's kinda hard playing one after getting used to another, for this reason
What I did, and I think it's the best way to appreciate the game, is play FES first, and play Portable in the subsequent playthroughs. That way, you get the best of both worlds.IMO, there's no "best" version of P3. P3P has the better dungeon exploring and revamped battle system, while everything outside Tartarus/Boss Battles is better on FES. It's kinda hard playing one after getting used to another, for this reason
Agree with all of this.
I was actually really hoping for a definitive version on the Vita, but I guess it's not meant to be.
wsoxfan1214
Banned
Ahhhh I finally beat it.
snow in jamaica
Member
i like how fast it is, the party control, equipping from the menu, going to the police station whenever, saving at school, the female's social links and lighter attitude, and skill cards. i didn't care much about the lacking presentation compared to everything else (it got weird during some major scenes though, like junpei
attacking jin
Tiu Neo
Member
Me too, but maybe a full, complete, definitive version is too much work for a fourth version of the game. All the FemMC scenes would have to be remade on the game engine...
But I still have hope it's possible. Maybe after the movies and Persona 5?
Makoto Yuki
Banned
IMO, there's no "best" version of P3. P3P has the better dungeon exploring and revamped battle system, while everything outside Tartarus/Boss Battles is better on FES. It's kinda hard playing one after getting used to another, for this reason
Agreed.
Someday, someday...
FeMC is canon.
In my fanfiction T_T
One More Edit: @koutoru Mega Man Legends is my favorite Mega Man game.
Tell me about it.
Alas, Elizabeth has been the hero of a Persona game (yet).
Agreed.
One More Edit: @koutoru Mega Man Legends is my favorite Mega Man game.
Same here, grew up playing Legends on PS1 (Nostalgia trip~).
Legends 2 is every bit as good as Legends 1, although Legends 2 is a bit darker with its plot. A lot of the questions and mysteries surround Legends 1 are answered in Legends 2. I haven't played Misadventures of Tron Bonne yet.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
Have you played Legends 2? If so, how is it? I've never had the privilege to play it or that Tron Bonne game.
Awesome, I really gotta check it out sometime. If I could get my hands on a copy...
Tiu Neo
Member
One More Edit: @koutoru Mega Man Legends is my favorite Mega Man game.
Mine too!
Tron Bonne is the only game on the series I currently don't own. Too expensive, with import taxes it can easily cost $200-300 here.
From the little I played, I remember liking it. The mission structure made it easy to pick up and play a bit.
Phantasmal Repose
Member
Eh. The combat was never that big of an issue to me. The worst that happened was
at the tank boss
Whoo~
PersonaGAF has an active P4A community on IRC, so feel free to drop on by and play us whenever.
I was playing on expert and low level(I'm almost always underleveled).
Spectrasonic
Member
I hated the story telling in P3P. Because of the silent protagonist, I rarely knew if s/he was even the current scene.
Phantasmal Repose
Member
You can't really blame the game for being underleveled.
But I can blame the game for the stupid A.I.
To be honest, the AI is manageable with the menu tactics. You'll run into situations where the AI will cast Diarama instead of Media and vice versa and you'll never have control over the order of the buffs/debuffs that Aigis, Akihiko, etc use, but aside from that, you effectively get to control a character via the tactics menu.
P3 could have done a better job of articulating how each of the tactical options actually affect your AI characters, but yeah, you can actually have a pretty fine level of control over their actions if you experiment a bit and see how your party members react to different battle conditions while abiding by different tactic settings. It's not perfect, but after a while, you'll get a good sense of the if-then-else logic that situationally dictate their choices after a while and the AI can be relatively cognizant of complex situations and react accordingly and flexibly if set well. Difficulty issues aside, I find that P3 doesn't really push you to be that fussy with the tactics menu unless you play The Answer, where the higher difficulty level tends to result in a decent amount of micromanagement, especially during boss battles. I personally liked the system and can see where the development team was coming from when they said the idea was that you just had to trust them to do well like you would a friend to tie it into Social Links and the overall theme of community, but I'm sympathetic to people who don't necessarily want to feel obligated to master that aspect of the game.
In general, at least with The Answer, I think the ideal tactical setting for most non-boss battles with non-healer characters is knockdown mode and not the free choice one, as it tells the AI to mainly pursue known weaknesses when possible and attacks with higher chances of critical hits if it's not known or otherwise possible without taking healing off the table altogether like more offensive options. If I recall, in cases where Fuuka can't remember enemy statistics, the AI will still focus on weaknesses after you've hit them with one that first time, which I find nice. (That might have changed slightly if they updated Fuuka's support to be more like Teddie's; I can't remember.)
In general, at least with The Answer, I think the ideal tactical setting for most non-boss battles with non-healer characters is knockdown mode and not the free choice one, as it tells the AI to mainly pursue known weaknesses when possible and attacks with higher chances of critical hits if it's not known or otherwise possible without taking healing off the table altogether like more offensive options. If I recall, in cases where Fuuka can't remember enemy statistics, the AI will still focus on weaknesses after you've hit them with one that first time, which I find nice. (That might have changed slightly if they updated Fuuka's support to be more like Teddie's; I can't remember.)
So this was the one time in my first playthrough I needed a persona not named Izanagi. Black Frost absorbs fire and ice so you should be okay there. I brought Teddie, Yukiko, and Chie to this fight. Ted and Yukiko spammed healing (and Teddie used buffs when possible) and Chie was basically just "Do I need an item now? No? Then I'll attack." Meanwhile Black Frost lets you Mind Charge and then wail on the sucker with Agidyne.
Knowing when to make a party member defend is also key to avoiding allowing him a chance to get Megidola off on you.
Green Mamba
Member
Oh, forgot all about that.
Of course (though I still feel him being generic in Arena would not have been a problem), though I would argue that, if making spinoffs and sequels requires you to retroactively overwrite that which you set up in the base game, then they shouldn't exist--maybe P4 should be a standalone game. This I understand is a pretty extreme opinion that I don't expect many to agree with though.
I meant the latter.
It's probably a good thing that they neglected to mention it, given how the open-ended nature of the relationships, and how that sort of thing tends to set off the fanbase.
RISE IS THE CANON LOVE INTEREST! CHIE IS THE CANON LOVE INTEREST! YOSUKE IS THE CANON LOVE INTEREST!, etc.
RISE IS THE CANON LOVE INTEREST! CHIE IS THE CANON LOVE INTEREST! YOSUKE IS THE CANON LOVE INTEREST!, etc.
Green Mamba
Member
That's why I said there could have been an option to choose at the beginning of the game. I think it being left out period feels like a bigger misstep--like it's suggesting that he didn't get into a relationship with any of them, which is just as bad as choosing a canonical one.
buddha0991
Member
larry
Another difference of opinion I suppose. To me, the romantic relationships felt like a nice afterthought in P4. Nice and cheesy, but not something i'd ever bother bringing over.
It probably have been way too difficult fully implement anyway. (How would you handle relationships with girls outside of the IT? Would they be ignored, etc. There's just too much overhead)
Green Mamba
Member
Yes, we do seem to have very different viewpoints on the matter of the importance of the player's choices that I don't see us ever rectifying. Oh well.
And yeah, it'd probably be pretty difficult, but this is another area I feel pretty strongly in that it should be done right or it shouldn't be done at all.
The autocombos are powerful, but on the predictable side. I've been adamant about not using them when possible.
I can't wait for the Persona version of "One More Day".
Rise IS the canon love interest. And as much bromance as Teddie and Yosuke have with Yu, pretty sure Kanji is the canon guy. I mean, when asked "Whose swimsuit do you want to see, Yu?" The only option is "Kanji's, DUH."
Dude this would be like revealing that Snape was Harry's father (which I fully expect Rowling to do the next time she feels nobody is paying attention to her.).
I wish you could Rank Up at night. So much stress would be gone if that were the case.
SloaneRisette
Member
You monster.
animaSerah
Member
*raises hand*
I did.It wasn't fun,though.
They are all pretty much the same anyway.
<----
That was solid, hahaha
Someone should turn that into a full-fledged comic
I have.
I spent the walk home from a canceled class realizing that anybody who tried as hard as I am trying in P4G to become deep, everlasting friends with 90% of the people they came into contact with would be unwell before long. Especially if they had the Velvet Room on their back about it.
Green Mamba
Member
They should of course do no such thing.