Yeah, that sounds reasonable as well.
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Yeah, that sounds reasonable as well.
That's good. I hope P4U provides a satisfying conclusion to the P3/P4 universe.
No. It must.
InsaneElite
Member
I'm in class and can't make a detailed post but Elizabeth explicitly refers to a boy without a Persona at the start of her story. It's just Sho.
The epilogue and Dancing All Night both take place after Ultimax, soooooo...
Alright, that makes it sound more like
she's talking about Sho and not Makoto. Wonder why she'd be so eager to meet up with him?
Labrys is a lot of things, but glass canon she is not.
Gonna smash him up.
I can't believe I forgot about P4D. I guess that just show my interest level in it doesn't it?
Well I hope P4U creates a conclusive ending to the P3 universe... Unless they bring the P3 cast back in P4D with canon story.
I hope not.
CrazyTank940
Member
crisis averted lol
Aww. :/
I'm a weird mix of relieved and disappointed. Fall can't get here soon enough.
buddha0991
Member
Thank YHWH
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
I hope Persona 5 is like SMT IV in terms of dungeon design. Real world locations are sweet and having a megaten game on a HD console with SMT IV's scale would be amazing.
Clever girl. 7/10
buddha0991
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CrazyTank940
Member
She actually has standard health (9500)
But yeah, Labby has some serious problems. From what i've gathered, she has one of worst DPs in the game (which meant that her reversal options are nonexistent)
slow startup on her normals, a useless super, and a limited Persona. All of those things (garbage DP especially) kept her from being a top contender. That isn't to say that was unviable. According to the matchup chart her matchups against the top half of the cast aren't "terrible." She's just unappealing overall (unless you like her, of course)
And remember, this only applies to high level play. She can kick ass in casual play if you're good.
(Amusingly, Shadow Labrys's has one of the best DPs in the game, and her version of the Brutal Impact super is actually viable. I wonder why they did that)
buddha0991
Member
Oh well.... um, at least she's better in the sequel?
Well shiiiiiiiit
EDIT: Ok some of these nerfs are outright droll. I seriously wonder why they decided to nerf a character who was already pretty limited. o_0
Tecta1Eastside said:
Well shiiiiiiiit
EDIT: Ok some of these nerfs are outright droll. I seriously wonder why they decided to nerf a character who was already pretty limited. o_0
CrazyTank940
Member
because arcsys hates me
You know, this is gonna be the most fun avatar to quote in the history of ever if I get the chance
She doesn't really have that slow of a startup for most of her normals.
And those are just some of the many changes that exist between the characters. Same reason Labrys can combo her sweep into Guillotine Axe and Slab can't.
buddha0991
Member
I like dis.^Shit. That's fucking awesome man!
Screw the fusion bow.
>2014
>not using Mary/Maki's Resolve due to nostalgia/sentimental value
Yall r poops
Best archer in the Persona series. "Please hit" my ass Yukari, you couldn't hit the broad side of a barn yo. Maki at least hits multiple foes yo.
Deputy Dangle
Member
Since I played through most of P4G over the course of the last month and had been enjoying it, I was looking into picking up Persona 3 while Atlus has the series on sale on PSN. I remember reading in here that there isn't a definitive version of the game, so I was hoping someone could lead me in the right direction where I could decide. The main difference I can see that is making me lean pretty heavily toward FES is being able to traverse the 3D environments ala P4. The static looking ones for P3P aren't doing it for me, but I could be persuaded if there were some significant improvements/changes to the battle system and the like.
Help me, PersonaGAF!
Help me, PersonaGAF!
Been meaning to ask, you lose a bet or something Buddha? What's up with the Labrys avatar?
buddha0991
Member
^I main Labrys in P4A
The question I always ask people when they ask this, is, do you prefer story/presentation over gameplay, or the other way around? Also, is playing as a female protagonist important to you, or would you prefer a long (but hard) epilogue story?
The question I always ask people when they ask this, is, do you prefer story/presentation over gameplay, or the other way around? Also, is playing as a female protagonist important to you, or would you prefer a long (but hard) epilogue story?
Yeah, I could be off base here (I can't say i'm an expert on Labrys). I took a gander at her frame data and noticed that her 5A has a 7 frame startup (slower than most of the cast) , and the rest of her normals have comparatively slower start up than the cast (5B, 2B, etc).
Oh and I know that they're supposed to be different. Like conceptually, I get it. They have similar looking moves with different properties (Ryu & Ken, Mario & Luigi, etc) I was just wondering why in those 2 instances (DP & Awakening), why Labrys clearly loses out. It bugs me.
because arcsys hates me
preach
arc sys still dont know how to balance a game loll
Labrys gets a better reversal super than Shadow Labrys does upon Awakening via Breaking Wheel. S. Lab's Brutal Impact is an extremely risky reversal option and is only really useful in combos or YOLO DP super cancels.
This might be why Labrys' DP is poorer than S. Lab's, because S. Lab doesn't have a safe reversal option outside of her DP, so if she didn't have that she wouldn't have anything.
Labrys has axe levels, big damage potential, 1,500 more health than S. Lab, a 17 frame startup on her 2B actually making it worth it instead of S. Lab's 25... Her normals are slower than most of the cast, yeah, but I guess I was comparing them more to S. Lab in that instance.
Deputy Dangle
Member
This is exactly why I was planning to ask this once I posted impressions after finishing the game but distraction got in the way.
The short of it is that I greatly enjoy everything about P4 outside of the battles. I find its focus on mechanics that speed up fights comes off as a double edged sword. I feel it gets me to the story, character interactions, S.Link progression, and all of that faster at the expense of making the basic enemy encounters feel insignificant and more of a chore. The actual boss battles and sub bosses are where I think the mechanics, status changes, and genuine strategy really begin to click with the right amount of challenge. None of the combat is bad to me, but the gripes I stated above hold it back for me. So to answer your first question, in the case of how Atlus handles its story, pacing, characters, etc etc, I do prefer the story/presentation.
Also in this case, I'd rather play as the male protagonist so that P3P extra doesn't mean much to me. Can you elaborate on what you mean by the long epilogue story? I assume you're referring to that really long dungeon that I always hear about when referring to P3. lol
snow in jamaica
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Well, they did a good job of balancing everyone besides Labrys.
Colpevole said:
Though he said this back in January and things might have changed since then.
He wasn't too terrible before except for a bunch of real bad MUs, but yeah, he's pretty good, along with most of the cast.
I guess you have a point
Though I question the legitimacy of having a character with reversal options that only exist while under awakening (and one that costs 50 meter no less!) She's kind of screwed in heavy pressure situations outside of awakening. As for Brutal Impact, I know that it's a risky option for S.lab, I was just wondering why her's is viable (IE usable during combos like you said) while Labrys's is 100% useless, 100% of the time. Though the fact that they buffed S.Lab and +/- Labrys speaks for itself...
As an aside, I didn't know that S.Labs 2B was slower than Labrys'. Interesting. I should go back and compare frama data between the 2.
buddha0991
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Well, P3FES has 2 campaigns. The normal one, The Journey, with your slinks and your social/school life and dungeon combo and such. It also has a 25+ hour (more if you don't rush) second campaign called The Answer. This is pure dungeon crawling with story in between areas. This mode has no difficulty select, and is locked to being on Hard mode. There is no social linking, no school life, no Persona compendium, no fusion spells, no weapon fusions, and such. I personally think its the better part of P3FES, but many disagree with me.
The main disadvantages of P3FES, is that you ONLY control your main character. Every other party member is AI controlled, like the very beginning of P4, but you cannot turn that off. Also the social links are weaker in P3 IMO, The male protagonist and his social links were the first social links ever written. The female protagonist in P3P was written after Persona 4, and hers are much stronger. Persona 3 as a whole is a more cold game than P4's warm and friendly atmosphere, and its often said that the party members feel less like a close group of friends, and more co workers forced to work together in order to accomplish a goal.
The Answer is not in P3P, so you are missing a pretty nice chunk of the game there, and I think P3FES is the best way to experience it, if you really like P3, you could pick up P3P on sale some time and play as the girl to experience a different side of P3.
I tend to feel like people who favor P1/P2 like The Answer, and obviously, The Journey is more liked by those who crave a calendar system and slinks and such. Nothing wrong with that, but I just feel like P4 does that style of game way better.
hypostatic
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No, thank you! I love P4 because of the relationships and interactions between the characters. I played through half of P3 then never touched it again. Hopefully P5 will be more like P4 than P3...
buddha0991
Member
I like it when series try different things like that! I would hope that P5 blazes its own trail instead of just rehashing 3 or 4
Labrys' Brutal Impact can be used in combos as well, just less accessible ones than S. Labs. And as for a reversal option, there's always the Guard Cancel Attack outside of Awakening. It's not perfect but, it's there.
If I were to talk about it in terms of design, I suppose it's because Labrys is made to be punished under pressure, but very much rewarded on the offensive, which is part of why she has axe levels that dramatically increase damage potential when she's on the attack, but deteriorate when she's forced to defend. This forces the player to think in terms of minimizing the time they should be staying on the defense.
This might be why she's harder to approach with at higher levels of play, but is recognized as a beginner friendly character.
I concur. I think they're going to stick with the calendar system, though.
That paints a clearer picture
I'm unhappy with the fact that it has to be that way but I can see where they're coming from now
Thanks
And to clarify further, think of The Answer as the epilogue to The Journey, even if you can choose to start either at any time. It's not merely a side story that you could start at any time concurrently with The Journey. It's just that they knew a lot of people already played the original version and wouldn't necessarily want to play through it again to reach the brand new content.
buddha0991
Member
Yes, absolutely do not play The Answer until you beat The Journey.
Deputy Dangle
Member
I really appreciate how detailed this was. You've sold me on FES, and I'll look into maybe getting P3P down the road for FeMC. Only being able to control the MC is definitely something I'll have to adjust to, though I'm totally game for a stark contrast in tone compared to P4. Thanks for the help!
Will keep this in mind as well. Thanks!
buddha0991
Member
Anytime! Also, There is Persona 4 Arena, which pulls from both P3 and P4. The Answer content is directly referenced and followed upon, making it canon that it happened, it is pretty dumb that P3P players who play it will be like ,"wait...when did that happen?", because they never saw that content.
Deputy Dangle
Member
Yeah, I played Persona 4 Arena way back when it first released and enjoyed it as well. I don't have it anymore, but I might have to go back to it in order to actually play through the story. Never touched it originally. Playing P4 has made me want to finally try out other SMT games. P3 seemed like the safest bet for where to turn to next even though I probably won't start it up till summer rolls around.
Red The Hunter
Member
Here is a message from the Persona series Blog from Persona series Chief Director himself, Katsura Hashino. Yeah this over a week old, but still though it was interesting. He talks about the Persona Stalker Club and about the transition period of ATLUS as a company over the last year.
Source of Translation: http://www.siliconera.com/2014/03/05/things-will-finally-calm-atlus-spring-says-persona-director/
Source of Translation: http://www.siliconera.com/2014/03/05/things-will-finally-calm-atlus-spring-says-persona-director/