I think you've found it. This page also mentions how they started publishing their games instead of simply developing for other publishers in 1989.
Nice thing to know.
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Persona Community Thread |OT4| The Golden Number
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I think you've found it. This page also mentions how they started publishing their games instead of simply developing for other publishers in 1989.
Nice thing to know.
Lollipop Dave
Member
Why something like that isn't mentioned on their wiki page, I don't know.
I'm aware of what a first impression is. I just always thought judging an entire product or person based on the first few moments of contact is very flawed. Not trying to defend NISA dubs at all, just one of those "don't judge a book by its cover" type of situations.
However, I'm aware that you've played through quite a bit of the game already, so you probably have a better outlook on the dub than most of the people here saying it's awful after a 3 minute clip featuring the voice talents of 15 different characters.
I could be wrong, and I could be eating my words come this Tuesday, but I still think it's personally too early to say this is terrible, especially if only a small number of a 15 person cast has an iffy first impression.
Fucking called this shit.
I saw the signs, man. Didn't expect that I'd have fallen so far as to be interested in it though.
People like bad things. When I first saw her on Siliconera, I remember posting something along the lines of "No way that's a Soejima character. Someone else must have designed it and he drew the art".
Nope. ;_;
Dantis you haven't seen enough bad characters. Labrys is merely average.
I can show you bad, if you so wish.
You mean Namcot
I can show you bad, if you so wish.
You mean Namcot
I only have so much time, so yeah, I'm judging off word of mouth and a 3-minute clip because I'm trying to figure out which of those audio tracks is going to get that limited time.
Like I said earlier though, someone else (who also reviewed the game, actually) said the dub was "brilliant" during trials where there's a lot more voice work and a lot more going on. There are also a lot of people in the OT saying the voices are alright, but those impressions honestly strike me as disingenuous.
So, sure, the final thing could be much better. I can only go off what I've heard though and I firmly believe it's awful.
Wasn't trying to sound condescending in tone, all I meant, was like a meeting someone and getting a first impression--the videos like that set a prescient.
Actually, I've been playing the sub for the most part. Started the dub cause I have to, but it's pretty weak IMO.
Obviously, if you've already played the subs, it can't hurt playing the dub.
Green Mamba
Member
Shadow Daisuke:
Wrestled with how to do "holding yourself back" for a while. I'm still not sure how I arrived at this solution.
Wrestled with how to do "holding yourself back" for a while. I'm still not sure how I arrived at this solution.
Her design is very over the top and anime for a Soejima design.
Her character is fine, if very generic.
Her backstory is kind of awful.
Shadow Daisuke:
Wrestled with how to do "holding yourself back" for a while. I'm still not sure how I arrived at this solution.
Daaaaamn, this one is cool. Although what does the broken heart represent?
(I joined the basketball team)
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Shadow Daisuke:
Wrestled with how to do "holding yourself back" for a while. I'm still not sure how I arrived at this solution.
Ooh, awesome. I definitely like the representation of holding yourself back, really cool job on this one.
Design, not art style.
Most of Soejima's characters are normal looking, and the ones that aren't (Aigis and Metis come to mind) have a unique look to them.
Labrys looks like a pretty straight forward anime robot.
His hang up over his EX girlfriend and women in general I think
I like how you mostly went with the self-restrain angle, since that was an equally important part of his S.link that people tend to gloss over
That shadow fits and it just looks plain cool!
Given my luck, it probably will be awful.
If you're trying to decide which audio to go for during your only playthrough, then I would pick the JP audio since that's already confirmed to be godlike. Didn't know what your intentions were, my apologies.
I didn't think you were being condescending. Didn't mean for it to sound that way.Wasn't trying to sound condescending in tone, all I meant, was like a meeting someone and getting a first impression--the videos like that set a prescient.
Actually, I've been playing the sub for the most part. Started the dub cause I have to, but it's pretty weak IMO.
Obviously, if you've already played the subs, it can't hurt playing the dub.
Nice art, but you're going to have to explain this one to me. Wasn't Daisuke the guy who was having problems getting along with girls?Shadow Daisuke:
Wrestled with how to do "holding yourself back" for a while. I'm still not sure how I arrived at this solution.
Phantasmal Repose
Member
Why? Is it the school uniform?
Shadow Daisuke:
Wrestled with how to do "holding yourself back" for a while. I'm still not sure how I arrived at this solution.
Man, you're just nailing these.
She has a dumb, giant axe that doubles as a jetpack for one.
animaSerah
Member
Shadow Daisuke:
Wrestled with how to do "holding yourself back" for a while. I'm still not sure how I arrived at this solution.
I don't know you arrived at it either, but I'm glad you did. Very nice symbolism there, especially with the broken heart on his chest. For some reason I imagine him either swinging that giant head-boulder to hit you, or tossing it into the air, kicking it like a soccer ball, and then flying after it (still chained) and hitting you. XD
You know what else is pretty anime.
This is a big part of it. Her armor is also more sci fi and gaudy than the other two, and then you have the knight motif, and the radioactive symbols and whatnot.
Green Mamba
Member
Thanks for the comments again guys, always appreciated.
Daisuke's main issue, at least, how I felt, was his fear of failure due to his earlier breakup--his issues with girls are an extension of this, and it manifests in his inability to fully invest himself in anything. He deliberately holds himself back at everything he does because he wants an excuse in case he fails.
I don't even need to click on it to know what you posted. You're never going to let him live that down, are you?
Also, anime is an adjective now?
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It wouldn't kill you to spare us the semantic bullshit and just say you don't like the design. "Too anime" "His other designs are 'normal'" None of that means anything.
Given my luck, it probably will be awful.
If you're trying to decide which audio to go for during your only playthrough, then I would pick the JP audio since that's already confirmed to be godlike. Didn't know what your intentions were, my apologies.
No need to apologize! S'all good.
Shadow Daisuke:
Wrestled with how to do "holding yourself back" for a while. I'm still not sure how I arrived at this solution.
Good lord, dude. These are so amazing.
Phantasmal Repose
Member
Ridiculously over sized weaponry isn't exclusive to anime.
Nobody is going to let him live it down.
Given it's similarity to the Gekkoukan High logo, I always assumed it was the Kirjiro Group's logo. It is only located on one spot, after all.
No, it isn't.
animaSerah
Member
I decided not to click the link 'cause I figured I already knew what it was.
You did not disappoint me, Levito.
Weird. I thought most agreed that it was a crash test dummy logo:
Given her origins, this is what I assumed it was, at least.
I always thought of Labrys's origin story as what would happen if (Giant P4A spoilers)
You ask me to do the impossible, lamentably.
I do keep all of the avatars I make though, and this is definitely one of the nicer ones. It's likely going to be one of the few avatars I put into semi-regular rotation.
Very nice. I especially like the pained expression on the stone's face.
baby Tiger Sharks could think. The "I don't want to fight" angle is certainly trite, but mixing it with slaughtering her surrogate sisters and slowly becoming aware of what the hell she was doing even as she has to fight for her survival made it a lot more effective than it could have been.
You ask me to do the impossible, lamentably.
I do keep all of the avatars I make though, and this is definitely one of the nicer ones. It's likely going to be one of the few avatars I put into semi-regular rotation.
Shadow Daisuke:
Wrestled with how to do "holding yourself back" for a while. I'm still not sure how I arrived at this solution.
Very nice. I especially like the pained expression on the stone's face.
Shadow Daisuke:
Wrestled with how to do "holding yourself back" for a while. I'm still not sure how I arrived at this solution.
Damn. Nice job.
You should do for Adachi, Nanako, or...Tanaka if you haven't already.
If you choose to pretend to not understand what I mean by "His other designs are normal" when we're discussing well-dressed teenagers, that is literally not my problem.
Weird. I thought most agreed that it was a crash test dummy logo:
Given her origins, this is what I assumed it was, at least.
MIND. BLOWN.
Still looks dumb though. Even dumber, in a way.
Heh, if we're talking "too anime", then Aigis's design qualifies far more then Labrys's design. By Soejima's own admission it's designed to resemble classic anime heroes like Astro Boy.
Labrys is a prototype android that was never even meant to be running around in the open. Why are you comparing her to well-dressed teenagers?
Green Mamba
Member
I plan on getting through all of the P4 characters at some point (within reason, no Master Diadara for instance...). P3 characters will have to wait until I actually beat that game.
The ones I've done so far:
Saki Konishi
Mayumi Yamano
Kinshiro Morooka
Ai Ebihara
Hisano Kuroda
Shu Nakajima
Dasiuke Nagase
That's cool, he already has Sho.
Weird. I thought most agreed that it was a crash test dummy logo:
Given her origins, this is what I assumed it was, at least.
That's a really interesting observation. Hmmm, wonder if that's intentional at all. Pretty clever!
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Huh, the newer Chie English VA also does the female lead in Bravely Default. Sounds a lot less annoying in BD.
Spot on
To be honest, I wasn't a fan of Daisuke on my first play through (In fact I hated him), but his social link does a decent job at justifying his behavior.
The confrontation scene is amazing
She's in Dangan Ronpa as well. Erin has a pretty good range, actually.
Um, why? It makes logical sense.
Feels like everyone has a story similar to this with one character or another. Or they never delve into a social link at all and make up their mind about a character beforehand.
Was speaking with a friend the other day, and they thought Dancing All Night's plot was out of character for Rise, cause when you initially meet her, she's trying to leave the spotlight behind. Told him Her Social Link is right in line with Dancing's story.
Must be tough being a developer, spending all this time forging a large part of character around the social links--only to know that a most players are going to miss out on a lot of the S.Links.
buddha0991
Member
Guys persona 2 is in this same timeline, that game is more batshit crazy than a simple Lon of android girls
I think the discussion is only about character design and, given that, I'd have to disagree. I'm not arguing that the android girls are bad, but there is no character quite like them before P3.
Nooo it doesn't.
The circles are for reference points on high speed cameras. There's no reason to put one on her leg (Or anywhere on her).
Ah, no problem at all! I'm just glad to hear a response. And I was actually mostly talking about script editing, though I can see how I could've confused you by mentioning the changes to interface design. Still, thanks for the feedback. I'm trying to stay as spoiler-free as possible, so I can totally see how me needing to project and make assumptions with the script might not match up 100% or might miss the main point of the sentence completely. I thought it would always be interesting to do something like that as a profession, though I wouldn't know how to get my foot into the door.
Like I said, the only remotely "official" business was the Digital Manga Guild, which lured me in by implying I might eventually be able to translate things like Astro Boy (I'm a HUGE Tezuka fan). After downloading their editor test, though (they had one for a translator, an editor, and an image editor), I had to bail out when I saw it included hentai, hahaha. Still, I don't exactly have any leads for getting my foot through the door, aside from just changing my major outright, already halfway through school.
Eh, I wouldn't be so sure about that, though come to think of it, most of the performances I like are from actors and actresses who already making a lot of headway towards becoming big, like Cassandra Morris and Amanda Celine Miller.
Still, I think the actress portraying Ludenberg could actually be good. I have little doubt that Strassman would give a great performance, but just saying she should have done it instead might be being a bit too hasty. Maybe Levito can comment, though.
She actually isn't. That would be Toko.
Part of me actually likes that it sounds slightly stilted, as it fits with the otherwise hyper-real and exaggerated depiction everywhere else in the game. The most pressing concern is whether or not that was intentional, though.
It's certainly no Wolf Children.
Exactly. It's understandable if the few chances to talk make it harder to get into the character, but I think it would've actually been smarter to make the introductions one of the last lines recorded after the actors have gotten into the groove of things.
Anyway, I'd have to say this about the actors involved:
Makoto (Bryce Papenbrook): Same generic voice he uses in a lot of his roles. He's quickly becoming another Yuri Lowenthal, but without necessarily having the acing chops to match. "My name's..." sounded a bit too exaggerated.
Sayaka (???): Very bland, and definitely didn't give me high hopes for the dub. The tonality in her voice doesn't sound that great, making me think it's affected and definitely something out of the actress' usual voice range.
Leon Kuwata (???): I actually like him. Not exactly the most riveting performance, but I think the casting choice, based off of voice alone, was good.
Hifumi Yamada (???): I actually loved this performance. The character is already enough of a huge caricature as is, so I'm glad the actor for him is clearly hamming it up.
Toko Fukawa (Erin Fitzgerald): I think it's alright. I'm usually hit or miss with every performance Fitzgerald does (Bravely Default says hi), but it's not bad. Sounds more like an impersonation of someone with social anxiety, though.
Kiyotaka Ishimaru (Sean Chiplock): The voice role is great -- very gung-ho and purposefully stilted. Whether that performance will actually work or won't grow tiring is another story.
Aoi Asahina (Cassandra Morris): Cassandra Morris can do no wrong. The line read itself is nothing special, but I have faith in her.
Chihiro Fujisaki (NISA employee, apparently): Definitely Fuuka vibes. It's like someone was told to be very formal, but the actress failed to realize that there's still a lot of ways of conveying emotion, even through that construct.
Kyoko Kirigiri (???): A zombie. Nothing mysterious or understated -- just bland. For someone who seems to be a big mystery, there's nothing to entice you into wanting to know more.
Junko Enoshima (Amanda Celine Miller): Not at all how I would've imagined her speaking, but I think it works. Certainly sounds like someone in the fashion industry without being too cartoonish.
Mondo Owada (Wally Wingert): Really rubs me the wrong way, but considering that Wally can put out at least half-decent performances most of the time, that might just be the character.
Celestia Ludenberg (???): She has a genuine French accent, and I think the performance is fine. Certainly not quite how an English speaker would speak, but that's the point. I'd have to hear more.
Yasuhiro Hagakure (Kaiji Tang): I like Kaiji most of the time, but here he just sounds like a chump, and not in a good way. Maybe it is just part of the character, but I am worried.
Byakuya Togami (GAF's own Feep): There's nothing to this read that communicates the character at all. As mean as it sounds, it really does sound like a voice over from a hentai flick from the '90s. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but there really is no reason to do so, based on the lines in the trailers.
Sakura Ogami (???): I really don't know how you'd portray a character like that, but this could be decent. This is the one is need to hear the most of.
Monokuma (Grant George): I like it. Not as good as the Japanese counterpart, but it's good. Wish they kept the trademark laugh, though.
I dunno about that. Persona 2 had, among other things for character designs: A jester, a madman with a bag on top of his head, a tengu like guy with a long nose, a white haired pretty boy with a clock for an eyepatch, Maya, a blindfolded piano player, a guy with a butterfly mask, Ulala, an obnoxious fairy dressed up half way between a doctor, a nurse, and a general.....
Persona as a whole is pretty anime, yo.
No reason?
The fact that the androids were being created in order to be destroyed in order to bring about improvements in their integral design is not a reason?
I guess there are some outlandish characters, but I suppose I'm speaking in a mostly strict sense. Before P3, there were humans and there were mystical beings (demons, some Velvet Room attendants...). The third category brought by P3 were androids.
It's probably a meaningless distinction, anyways.