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Persona Community Thread |OT7| P5 is nyaow. (Mark all PQ and P4U spoilers!)
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Lollipop Dave
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It's the anime equivalent to teen dystopian novels, but I love them.
I can see why you could argue that it isn't creepy if you've only read the opening, because the opening makes so little sense that you can't really draw anything from it. The part where a guy is trying to rip off Naoto's clothes (to examine her, obviously!) and is only stopped by someone else when she starts to cry, seems less defensible though.
Lollipop Dave
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You make that sound worse than it is.
But yes, that scene is a little disturbing more than creepy.
I'd argue that the novel is a lot better than what most people would like you to believe. It's still far away from a good book, especially due to the egregious focus on fanservice and Naoto's characterization.
A friend of mine once told me that some light novel writers get published when they're pretty young, around 13 to 15. I have no idea how accurate that is, but it would certainly explain why some light novels have a horrible style.
Shmuppers
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Even better:
xD
it's just one of those tropes that has become ubiquitous in certain demographic-aimed media in Japan, probably at least partially because of the differing attitude to sex jokes
SpacePirate Ridley
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Indeed! This is great!
Too bad I never could finish the collection of scenes I had in my mind for the parody, but here are some of them:
Ove got also character art of Elaine, Kramer and Newman, but their scenes where never finished.
Like a rewrite trying to tell the story better or a translation? Now im curious.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Welp, I guess I got my answer.
Thanks for the impressions guys.
Thanks for the impressions guys.
Literally just rewriting already translated sentences to seem less stiff and bullshit. (I still can't read Japanese well enough yo)
Reanimatoin
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We should have a contest on here that we have to rewrite a chapter from PxD.
You have to keep the main plot points the same but you can make any other changes you like.
Im sure gaf could write a better light novel than that crap XD
You have to keep the main plot points the same but you can make any other changes you like.
Im sure gaf could write a better light novel than that crap XD
Or we'd make it more creepy somehow, depends on who writes it 
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
First change: make her hair short again.
Replace Naoto with magical detective Loveline Nanako.
ShadowSoldier89
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I'd take an adult long haired naoto, but the long hair has too look like it actually came from the short hair...the light novel doesn't even look like her
I'm currently reading an interview with Hashino and Soejima that was included in the Catherine artbook and it's really interesting. For example, Hashino mentions that his staff members were pretty unsure about creating a game like Catherine in the beginning. Soejima was the only one who liked the idea at first.
They also explain how the movie Buffalo '66 became a big influence, especially for the characters. Catherine was based on Christina Ricci's character while Vincent's name and appearence are basically lifted from Vincent Gallo. The reasoning behind this is rather funny: Since the staff had no proper idea of America, they had to use resort to films. One of the game's endings
is also an hommage to Hollywood films among other things.
They also explain how the movie Buffalo '66 became a big influence, especially for the characters. Catherine was based on Christina Ricci's character while Vincent's name and appearence are basically lifted from Vincent Gallo. The reasoning behind this is rather funny: Since the staff had no proper idea of America, they had to use resort to films. One of the game's endings
(Kathrine's true ending)
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Eh, after a certain length you can trim out most inconsistencies that is present in someone who grew out from a short hairstyle.
I'm just for short hair all the time.
I like long-haired Naoto.
She looks just like Naoto on the cover.
I was actually wanting to re-read this a few months back. PM me the link?
ShadowSoldier89
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Green Mamba
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Naoto's longhaired design is bad. It's like someone stuck a rug to the back of her head. In general I find "very long hair" to be a lazy way of showing character aging. Also tends to reveal that the artist has no idea how fast hair actually grows.
Holy shit, these are awesome. Bania as the Velvet Room attendant caught me completely off guard.
Lollipop Dave
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I'm with Dantis, I like long haired Naoto.
I am however, not a fan of the manga adaptions art. At least the covers/advertising. Not sure I've seen the contents.
I am however, not a fan of the manga adaptions art. At least the covers/advertising. Not sure I've seen the contents.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Short hair is perfect.
ShadowSoldier89
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I generally dislike female short hair, naoto gets my only exception.
Pretty sure the intent was to make her more feminine and more attractive, which was why they gave her long hair. In fact, it makes no sense that her hair would grow that long in such a small space of time.
Reanimatoin
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Three of my favourite characters (visually) are Chie, Aigis and Takemi (P5 item nurse woman).
Notice a trend there?
Notice a trend there?
#teamshorthair
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
you don't like Chie's hair?
SpacePirate Ridley
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I like Chie's hair and overall desing a lot. That type of bowl hair is difficult to pull of, but I think Chie's design and some cosplayers dressing as Chie pulled it off really well.
Interesting. I read the Haruhi visual novels from the official spanish translations and they didnt seem too bad in stiffness.
Thanks! I tried to give him the clothes Kramer gives him (it was hard looking at shitty quality youtube videos to see any details), you can see Uma Thurman's telephone number written on the paper in his pocket lol
Interesting. I read the Haruhi visual novels from the official spanish translations and they didnt seem too bad in stiffness.
Thanks! I tried to give him the clothes Kramer gives him (it was hard looking at shitty quality youtube videos to see any details), you can see Uma Thurman's telephone number written on the paper in his pocket lol
She's one of my favourite characters, I just don't like her design very much.
Her mid-winter Parka is nice though.
they should give her long hair as well. let's mix it up!
I don't dislike her exactly. She's okay. I just don't get the appeal that makes her so many people's favorite.
Lollipop Dave
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I own most of the Hardcover re-release, and the are fine too. Not 100% great, but nothing to get bothered by.
Longhaired Naoto makes perfect sense as a progression of her P4 character arc as Dantis pointed out.
SpacePirate Ridley
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Oh, hardcovers! In spanish the came only as soft covers so they can be sell as easily as manga.
Green Mamba
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I know what the intent of Naoto's redesign was, I'm just saying it's not good, and pretty lazy. Longer hair is fine, a ratty blue rug taped to the back of her head isn't.
Reanimatoin
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This is why the golden epilogue designs are so great, they changed how the characters looked just enough so that you could see development but not change them completely.
Except kanji. And to a lesser extent yukiko.
Except kanji. And to a lesser extent yukiko.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Maybe I'm missing the golden context seeing that I've never played P4G but what about naoto's route implied that she wanted to grow her hair out?
there was none, iirc, I just think it would be cuter.
It's not that it's implied, it's that it fits her as a character.
Naoto isn't meant to be upset or afraid or embarrassed or whatever that she's a girl; she thinks that it will hinder her ambitions for the future, and she'll be judged negatively by those above her.
ShadowSoldier89
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nope, love her design otherwise, and realize the hair fits the athleticism, but I still dont like the hair
Naoto's romance also shows that she is a bit lost on figuring out who she wants to be. Yu can guide her by asking her to stop throwing her voice deeply, which will lead to her showing off the female uniform for him. On valentine's day she just straight up admits that she is changing and doesn't know if its to try and impress Yu, or if its because she wants to.
So, Naoto being more girly is something she is leaning towards, but is unsure
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