A Dead Diehard
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HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!
Seriously, tho. If they can get me interested in that fusion accident again, I'll be genuinely impressed.
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Persona Community Thread |OT7| P5 is nyaow. (Mark all PQ and P4U spoilers!)
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HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!
SloaneRisette
Member
The game still exists, hell, if The Last Guardian and Shenmue 3 exist, then Persona 5 super exists
But they can market it how they want, and if they want to be cagey with their marketing, they do them and it's all good, the game will still come out.
Cannon_Fodder
Member
Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but I've been wondering this for a while: who's going to localize SMT x FE? I just assumed Atlus USA because of the SMT, but what about the people that localize FE? Would they want in?
SloaneRisette
Member
I would assume Nintendo because of their involvement, personally.
I feel Silver Arrows is being melodramatic, but I don't think that we should necessarily just be fine about them being cagey about the marketing for this game in North America because we'll be getting it eventually anyways.
There's another series I love called Ace Attorney. It's wildly successful in Japan, and while it had a cult following in the West, being "cagey with their marketing" has cornered the series' status outside of Japan. It's not the same genre and Persona might have always had more backing than that, but this reminds me of that.
Yakuza is a closer analog, with that series being very successful in Japan, but because they cared little about how to present the game to the Western audience, its status outside of Japan is approaching extinction. It's not good.
I actually don't think Atlus USA will be localizing SMT x FE. At least, not as the core team for it, but possibly providing consultation.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Talk about entitlement. I'm sure Atlus is very upset about not "pleasing" people getting irrationally emotional about their international marketing strategy who somehow assume a self-evident right to information Atlus themselves might not even be sure of. Information that does not affect the quality of the game in the slightest, but is somehow misused to denounce a game as "not worth [their] time":
Not even gonna address calling them dumbasses for not following guidelines you're pulling out of your ass. Calm down.
Cannon_Fodder
Member
Well, DAN looks like shit and.. Well, I shouldn't have said games. I should have just said Persona 5.
I'm so excited about P5 I'm even willing to take this shit.
Spectrasonic
Member
I don't think Atlus USA has an advertising issue in North America - take Ultimax, for example. It had a reasonably-sized presence at e3 last year. I'm pretty sure Atlus USA was the first to show off a playable version of the game, too.
The problem with Persona 5 is that there's been barely any information in Japan either. The whole P5 advertising campaign is baffling for game that's supposedly going to be released this year.
Oh yeah, I'm not saying they do; I'm still purely talking about Persona 5. Persona Q and Persona 4 Arena Ultimax seemed to have good presences in a lot of places last year, and I actually expect the same to happen for Persona 5. It's not like Atlus USA is going to release a few YouTube videos, have a live stream and then call it a day in terms of P5 marketing. It being on the E3 badge is an awesome move (though, thinking back on that, I think it's also telling that so many doubted it'd even be on that piece of plastic).
I guess this is really just about how what the implications are for Persona 5's Western presence in the future after what happened (or didn't) yesterday. The point that it was omitted from the game montage segments isn't to be glossed over; I think it's really important, and I haven't seen anyone give any decent explanations for that yet.
KenjiGlove
Banned
It's all a giant viral marketing campaign where we need to break into Atlus HQ ourselves to steal all the info about P5.
I don't think it's right to compare those series to Persona, which by this time probably sells more internationally than in Japan, while the opposite seems to be true for AA and Yakuza.
Is not that baffling if they're waiting until P4D comes out to start on P5's marketing; isn't that what they usually do? Focus on one games at a time? At least for megaten games. What is kinda weird is that they decided to announce P5 so early and then delaying it so much, but then everything of theirs was delayed and I blame the Index fiasco.
But that's what I'm addressing. Ace Attorney and Yakuza declined hard because of the lack of Western marketing, which is why the sales comparison in NA can be so lopsided now. Like I said, Persona is a different beast, because it probably had sufficient backing in NA when the series was introduced and it has had more marketing support from that point on, but the situation still reminds me of what happened to those game series.
But I just can't see that happening with Persona, at the very least I don't see Atlus publishing Persona digital only except for like in Europe and they don't count (sorry). Yeah, I'm disappointed that they couldn't use the Sony conference to advertise Persona 5 (they could have at least shown PV1) and I think it was a wasted opportunity. But I find it weird that fans are getting so gloomy about Persona's future when even Japan knows so little about P5. Hopefully P5 does amazing internationally, and P6 gets a more aggressive marketing in the English market.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
#FE looks great
CrimsonFist
Member
The reactions to the stream are hilarious.
Looking forward to it. Something else to play if/when I get a Wii U.
CrimsonFist
Member
Or they just put it up early by mistake, it should have been going up today anyway.
KakesuSora
Member
The website changing has made me feel so so so so much better about it coming out this year.
It so good to see the game is coming in 2015.
worldwide release dream actived.
But still if the japanese one cames in October , the gap of localization is gonna be short as fuck since they can only put it in November or December here in America.
I hope they dont put it in Nov , because that month is full of games already it can hurt their sales a little.
worldwide release dream actived.
But still if the japanese one cames in October , the gap of localization is gonna be short as fuck since they can only put it in November or December here in America.
I hope they dont put it in Nov , because that month is full of games already it can hurt their sales a little.
Green Mamba
Member
All that flailing about and gnashing of teeth. The guys at Atlus were probably laughing their heads off.
Silver Arrows
Banned
It's nice that there's a reconfirming of the date, but as Makio said, they don't have the greatest window for an NA release date. November is out of the question.
DryEyeRelief
Member
Sorry, this is a late replay because FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE and new street fighter 5 characters.
I don't agree. First off, this aspect of Yukiko isn't about change. It's about the main character becoming as close to Yukiko as Chie is. As a result, you're given a different vantage point to her personality. At the beginning of the story, she is distant, not submissive. I'm not sure what submissive means in the context.
To add to that, I don't mean to suggest that she circles back to what she was before. It's that she never leaves her stereotype completely.
The way she exists in P4, there's a duality between her being a yamato nadeshiko and her occasional sass. Off the top of my head an instance that illustrates this is when
she tells off the sleazy men from the TV station, then becomes concerned about whether her courageous act was inline with proper manners.
Slick as fuck.
Maybe in favor of shenmue which I wouldn't mind at all
Yeah my bad, distant is a way better word choice than submissive. The way she initially talks to people who aren't Chie... it's polite, yet evasive. Kinda like she doesn't really want to let anyone in.
You brought up a few things I didn't consider, and after giving it some thought, I can't say I completely disagree your point of view anymore. But at the same time, I don't think her off-beat moments throw away gags either, at least, not anymore. I mean, they really try to hammer that point in the spinoffs/Golden (to an almost annoying degree), but tbh it does make me happy that they consider them an integral aspect of her character, since it lets her stand out from other characters who have a similar archetype.
Maybe her weirdness was originally supposed to be a throw away, but when it's now incorporated into her character post P4, (I mean her Dance trailer is rife with her being off-beat) I don't think we're meant to take see those moments as "bad" anymore. To me it's like they're saying, this is Yukiko.
I think this thread right here shows that something is wrong with how they're advertising Persona 5. Look at the kind of posts in that thread:
This is only a sample of the type of posts within it. There are tons more just like with people expressing surprise, confusion that it wasn't at any conference in any form, and/or cynicalness at actually being released this year. I had to cut a few quotes out so that this post wasn't so massive in it's own right.
This is a marketing failure, plain and simple. I don't know who's responsible for it. It might be Sony, it might be Atlus Japan, or Atlus USA. Maybe even SEGA Sammy holdings? What I do know is that I would be ashamed if there was so much confusion regarding when the game is even coming out. It's rather disillusioning for fans, and it's not good for getting an expanded audience for your game.
I was hoping that after we got the actual gameplay reveal, we'd start getting a steady stream of information until the release of the game. But that doesn't seem to be the case, as we've gone four months now without any real new information. Just the promise of a trailer included with a Blu-Ray that is, for all intents and purposes, improbable to obtain legally if you're not in Japan. I get the impression that they think Dancing All Night isn't nearly as hyped as they want it to be, hence the inclusion of the disc to sell more copies of the game in Japan. Regardless, I don't think ditching a major venue being overly silent for four months is smart marketing for a game that is suppose to be coming out this year. In two markets.
It is very evident to all, that people expect something at E3. And I don't mean us hardcore fans either.
This is only a sample of the type of posts within it. There are tons more just like with people expressing surprise, confusion that it wasn't at any conference in any form, and/or cynicalness at actually being released this year. I had to cut a few quotes out so that this post wasn't so massive in it's own right.
This is a marketing failure, plain and simple. I don't know who's responsible for it. It might be Sony, it might be Atlus Japan, or Atlus USA. Maybe even SEGA Sammy holdings? What I do know is that I would be ashamed if there was so much confusion regarding when the game is even coming out. It's rather disillusioning for fans, and it's not good for getting an expanded audience for your game.
I was hoping that after we got the actual gameplay reveal, we'd start getting a steady stream of information until the release of the game. But that doesn't seem to be the case, as we've gone four months now without any real new information. Just the promise of a trailer included with a Blu-Ray that is, for all intents and purposes, improbable to obtain legally if you're not in Japan. I get the impression that they think Dancing All Night isn't nearly as hyped as they want it to be, hence the inclusion of the disc to sell more copies of the game in Japan. Regardless, I don't think ditching a major venue being overly silent for four months is smart marketing for a game that is suppose to be coming out this year. In two markets.
It is very evident to all, that people expect something at E3. And I don't mean us hardcore fans either.
Lee Chaolan
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I definitely agree it should have been shown at least for a quick second on screen with the date at the Sony conference.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Well I guess that confirms P5 for 2015 (there was some worries due to a lack of showing).
Silver Arrows
Banned
Thank you Sophia for putting what I couldn't say elonquently into words.
This is a failure of marketing, what side the buck lands on is unclear. Nevertheless, the advertising for this game is a complete joke, and what happened last night, rather what didn't happen, is the culmination of that.
This is a failure of marketing, what side the buck lands on is unclear. Nevertheless, the advertising for this game is a complete joke, and what happened last night, rather what didn't happen, is the culmination of that.
Immaculate
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HAPPENING
Aadrian1234
Banned
Sad that Atlus for whatever reason doesn't think that Persona needs news in the west. Do they not want to admit they care about the west? Are they just not used to marketing a ton, and are very "quiet" out of tradition (well i know nothing about Atlus' past releases since I got into Persona as they were wringing out the last few bucks they could get from P4 spinoffs)?
Anyways time to drown out my disappointment in MMO's and Steam Sales
Anyways time to drown out my disappointment in MMO's and Steam Sales
Silver Arrows
Banned
People were expecting anymore?
I can see the people in the P5 thread on the Discussion side disappointed.
Spectrasonic
Member
People keep mentioning an October release in that thread, where's that coming from?
Can't wait to hear that new Persona sound, though!
Silver Arrows
Banned
They don't care about the west, it seems like. What CJ posted last night about the former Atlus USA rep saying that JPN would rather play corporate isolationism then give US branch some respect lines up, alongside supposed philosophy changes.
MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
Swiggity swooty, I'm coming for that boot(h)y!
Silver Arrows
Banned
Giant Bomb's stream, but I wonder if they are quoting the JP release date.
The Meguro soundtracks are legit probably at least 45% of why I dig the games as much as I do. I seriously cannot wait to get a taste of what he has cooked up for P5. Maybe something a bit more bluesy? Something about the Phantom Thief direction jives with that for me.
Spectrasonic
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Atlus USA just uploaded their e3 Persona 5 trailer:
https://youtu.be/vjSHjAoQty4
Same exact trailer we've already seen.
https://youtu.be/vjSHjAoQty4
Same exact trailer we've already seen.
Silver Arrows
Banned
What a surprise, it's PV#01.
I think is for this...
http://personacentral.com/persona-5-release-window-revealed/
But makes sense , i mean they going to start to market the game hard the next week so they need a couple of months to market the game right.
But make me wonder if the game in October in Japan , and 2015 in NA ... the window is real close between the two releases..
The dirty secret of PersonaGAF: I exist to make other people look better. >_>;
It's a combination of things. The biggest of which however is that the market has shifted from the Japanese-centric game development of the 80s and 90s to one that is slowly becoming more globalized. No longer does simply making a product for one region alone a good business sense. This actually applies to western developers too, but it's hit Japanese developers harder.
I also think there's a sense of misplaced pride among Japanese buinsessmen (I.E. not the developers, but the higher ups) that results in them being out of touch with what is really going on. That their own market is shifting towards a new form of gaming (Mobile), and that what they did in the past is no longer adequate. This is why you see so many famed Japanese developers moving away from the publishers who housed them for so long to fund projects on kickstarter and such.
In the case of Atlus, I have long gotten the impression (through interviews, release schedules, and hints and details I hear all over the place) that Atlus USA is basically an afterthough. Something that, if it makes profits, great! But if it doesn't? Eh, no big loss.
This is pretty much what I expected, for better or worse. It's the Japanese trailer with opening text translated.
Aadrian1234
Banned
Oh, i doubt that they don't care, that's all extra money and recognition to them.
If they didn't care Atlus USA wouldn't be localizing it
But for whatever reason they aren't trying at all
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