Cipher Cat
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Hello guys, may I ask you if someone has the Persona Ultimax sprites?
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Persona Community Thread |OT7| P5 is nyaow. (Mark all PQ and P4U spoilers!)
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You should consider playing on hard and putting on self-imposed restrictions:
-No status effects
-No binds
-No instant kills
-Healing Hands + Fuuka is illegal
That's pretty much my go-to for subsequent PQ playthroughs. It's reasonably challenging and pretty dang fun.
having enough trouble just playing normally lol
CrimsonFist
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Minus the Fuuka part, that was mostly how I did my first playthrough, I didn't use links much either. It stayed pretty challenging throughout, much more enjoyable than just cheesing every battle with the same tactic.
Spongeboba
Member
Is there still some people who thinks that original Innocent Sin is the best in SMT or Persona series?
ohmygod.
There's no chance in hell that Persona 5 will have... ehh... older characters, right?
/noobquestion
Persona 2 did, but I doubt it.
I'm still not sure how P4G will handle... a relationship... once I get there. Considering the characters are 15.
Hmmm
Cipher Cat
Banned
That's the old Arena though. I need the Ultimax sprites. Like Marie, Sho, Koromaru, Ken, etc... etc...
They were uploaded for a certain time and I am sure someone has those.
UltraGunner
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80% of the games budget will be dedicated to the S-links.
I'm still not sure how P4G will handle... a relationship... once I get there. Considering the characters are 15.
Hmmm
Well, the good thing about Persona 4 is that they added the ability to just be friends as well.
Actually...I'm still not sure how P4G will handle... a relationship... once I get there. Considering the characters are 15.
Hmmm
-1st years (Kanji, ???, ???) are 15/16
-2nd years (Protagonist, Yosuke, Yukiko and Chie) are 16/17
A Dead Diehard
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Well, the good thing about Persona 4 is that they added the ability to just be friends as well.
And that's one inarguable reason why P4 is better than P3FES.
A Dead Diehard
Member
There's a few people here that like the duology better than 3 or 4.
Only because I'm curious... can you... eh... eh... you know... do "it".... in Persona 4?
So I pushed on past the boss I couldn't beat in Persona Q and was confronted with a bunch of plot twists half of which I totally called and half of which I didn't. So now I have a question (PQ and P4A spoilers):
Is Niko Labrys' mother? Cus there's a ton of similarities there which match up TOO well...
A Dead Diehard
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Only because I'm curious... can you... eh... eh... you know... do "it".... in Persona 4?
No, Dawg. There's no Hot Coffee in P4.
You can "Spend a long time" with the lady of your choice, though.
EDIT:
Well, it would help validate its existence, would it not?
YOU TELLING ME IVE SPENT THE LAST 30 HOURS FOR NOTHING?!
Yeah, a lot of stuff potentially do match up, but I think the simple fact that
Rei lacks an accent
It would be a great way to tie the lore together, though. It'd make me think better of P4A's backstory.
The game was already validated by Kanji and Ken's subplot though. Also Anything with Yosuke and Aigis is gold.
Hmmm, the
accent
CrimsonFist
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I don't remember all the details on the girl behind the Shadow Androids, so I'm partly going off the wiki, but isn't Aigis based off the same person as Labrys? and Aigis doesn't have an accent. Or was it stated that Labrys got the accent from her mother?
I think the big problem I have with
the theory that Rei is the Shadow Androids' mother is that Rei's entire conflict is that her life was completely meaningless, she never achieved or did anything significant and spent all her time in the hospital. The girl who the androids was based off allowed herself to be used in order to be useful. I don't think that quite lines up with Rei.
A Dead Diehard
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There's been some explanation from a few theories that she could have lost her Kansai accent between the time when she was used as Labrys' template and the time she died, eventually becoming more like the hospital staff she would have associated with.
Cannon_Fodder
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If I remember right, (P4A/P3)
with Labrys they tried a direct transplant of sorts with the Shadow Androids' mother, hence why she has the accent. Aigis, however, came later and was given a unique personality, made possible by their earlier experiments with Labrys. Since Aigis takes less from the mother directly and is more artificial in nature, she has no accent and sounds more like a robot.
This is the reason I think that (PQ/P4A)
Niko can't be the android's mother. It kinda makes Niko's entire problem in PQ not make any sense.
I guess I'm seeing it a lot like in Persona 4
where the shadows are things you're worried MIGHT be true. Eg Kanji is worried about being perceived as Gay, Yosuke isn't sure if he'll ever be satisfied in Inaba, that kind of thing. I doubt Robomom got introduced to any top secret robots since the robots were all being used to kill each other on an island. So she went to her death worried that maybe it didn't work out and for all she knows her life could've been totally meaningless, since she has no definative proof otherwise?
Oooh, I like this explanation! Thanks!
A Dead Diehard
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Yeah, a person's shadow isn't exactly the most reliable source of character insight, even in P4.
MysticDistance
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Sorry if this is a little off-topic guys, but I need to say it somewhere.
So, I ordered Devil Survivor 2: Break Record from ebten, because it came with the arrange CD and a special wall scroll poster.
I paid for it with PayPal and I thought all was good. My card said the money was sent to them, and everything was great.
So, January 29, 2015 rolls around and the game releases. I wonder why exactly the game hasn't been delivered to Tenso yet, and they tell me that they need the PayPal unique transaction ID. I accidentally gave them the wrong one, but now I corrected it and gave them the right one.
The only thing is: My PayPal says it is an "Authorization", yet money has come off of my card and been given to them. So, why is it "Pending"? In the description of the transaction, it says that the money was sent, too.
When I ordered Ultimax from ebten, it said "Authorization" and "Pending" and even that it expired (which is probably a glitch, as PayPal said they got the money the day I ordered it), and the money was still sent the day I paid for it and it was delivered to Tenso without them needing the transaction ID.
Now, with Break Record, there's a problem, even though they have the money.
What do I do? Sorry for this being off-topic, and I'm sorry if I shouldn't be posting this here.
To better explain the PayPal part: PayPal says all pre-orders are pending authorizations, even though the money is sent the day you order it, not the day it is available. The transaction even reflects that fact. Because ebten uses a personal account and not a business account, it acts as if you were sending money to someone, so it says "Authorization" instead of "Completed" However, the money was still sent.
So, I ordered Devil Survivor 2: Break Record from ebten, because it came with the arrange CD and a special wall scroll poster.
I paid for it with PayPal and I thought all was good. My card said the money was sent to them, and everything was great.
So, January 29, 2015 rolls around and the game releases. I wonder why exactly the game hasn't been delivered to Tenso yet, and they tell me that they need the PayPal unique transaction ID. I accidentally gave them the wrong one, but now I corrected it and gave them the right one.
The only thing is: My PayPal says it is an "Authorization", yet money has come off of my card and been given to them. So, why is it "Pending"? In the description of the transaction, it says that the money was sent, too.
When I ordered Ultimax from ebten, it said "Authorization" and "Pending" and even that it expired (which is probably a glitch, as PayPal said they got the money the day I ordered it), and the money was still sent the day I paid for it and it was delivered to Tenso without them needing the transaction ID.
Now, with Break Record, there's a problem, even though they have the money.
What do I do? Sorry for this being off-topic, and I'm sorry if I shouldn't be posting this here.
To better explain the PayPal part: PayPal says all pre-orders are pending authorizations, even though the money is sent the day you order it, not the day it is available. The transaction even reflects that fact. Because ebten uses a personal account and not a business account, it acts as if you were sending money to someone, so it says "Authorization" instead of "Completed" However, the money was still sent.
PQ/P3/P4A/P4AU spoilers incoming! You have been warned. No crying if you get spoiled!
You are not remembering right.
Also, in regards to
Actually, their shadows are an extremely reliable source of insight. The problem is that most people are unfamiliar of the Jungian concept of shadows that Persona uses.
You are not remembering right.
The other models of Labrys's generation did not have an accent either. That trait is unique to her and her alone. Why she has an accent was not explained, other than apparently having a larger plume of dusk than the other models.
Also, in regards to
Aigis, she is not based off any one specific girl, like Labrys's generation is. Rather, her personality is a composite personality created using the data from several different girls. This is noted by the girl who talks to Aigis in the Daylight/Moonlight drama CDs, as well as in the interview section of the P4A artbook.
I do not know if Niko is the basis for Labrys's mother. There is a ton of evidence to suggest it, but nothing definite regardless. Post reveal, they have similar personalities and their backstories and dates match up. The only inconsistency is the accent, which I do not really care to try and explain away.
See above: Aigis is not based off the same person as Labrys. She's not even based off any person.
We don't actually know what happened to that girl after we saw the scene from Labrys's/Unit #24's memories. We know she wanted to make herself useful to the world, and we know thanks to Ultimax that she ultimately did. But what happened between the scenes we saw in Arena and her death are a total mystery. She may have not known how useful she was to the world.
Actually, their shadows are an extremely reliable source of insight. The problem is that most people are unfamiliar of the Jungian concept of shadows that Persona uses.
BassForever
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I'm pretty sure if you go lovers link with any of the girls, hit 10 and "spend a long time with them" you did a bit more then just a heavy make out session if you know what I mean.
A Dead Diehard
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Pretty much what I meant. A source of informations kind of useless if one doesn't know how to interpret it. Or even worse, if one thinks they know how and end up completely misinterpret it.
Your interpretations are actually pretty close, if not completely accurate. Usually people end up thinking the shadow is a person's opposite, which doesn't make any sense if you actually think about it.
Huh? That's crazy. They're Shadow Complexes, like in Jungian Psychology right? With a little bit of Honne/Tatamae thrown in for Japanese relatability.
A Dead Diehard
Member
Precisely. It's not your evil twin, it's just your inner ugliness with none of your other aspects to hold it back.
Pretty much. Persona 2 and Persona 4 had slightly different interpretations of the Jungian concept of Shadows, but it's all based off the same thing. I attribute people not understanding the concept to it partially being explained too early in the game, and partially people just not caring or paying attention.
Be glad. Mine could have been longer, but I lack the motivation right now. Too hungry.
I haven't played persona 2 yet. I think the concept just kinda resonated with me so it stuck in my head.Pretty much. Persona 2 and Persona 4 had slightly different interpretations of the Jungian concept of Shadows, but it's all based off the same thing. I attribute people not understanding the concept to it partially being explained too early in the game, and partially people just not caring or paying attention.
BassForever
Member
I have no one to blame but myself for dawdling on the whole finishing PQ thing.
It would have just been a long novel about why Aigis and Labrys are the best two Persona characters and how robots are going to
take over the world
You're not missing much, really.
Cannon_Fodder
Member
Ah, thanks for the clarification! That's what I meant about Aigis, I just phrased it pretty incoherently. As for Labrys, I was so sure that was what happened, but as I looked at her story mode in Arena I got a slow creep of doubt.
Does anyone know if there's a creator interview in the PQ artbook? That might shed some light if it ever gets translated. EDIT: Seems there is one, but I didn't see any translations after an admittedly quick search. Hopefully Udon will localize it though, I love my other art books.
A Dead Diehard
Member
We all have our reasons. Mine was Inquisition, yours was likely mecha anime.
Though I guess your foray into The Answer is slowing you down now.
Aadrian1234
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I'm more motivated to beat PQ just so I can read spoilers at this point.
Well, that and so I can see the rest of Aigis' interactions
Well, that and so I can see the rest of Aigis' interactions
CrimsonFist
Member
I actually just got round to listening to Moonlight.
If the girl who talks to Aigis is different from the one that Labrys is based on, then there's a lot of plot relevant hospitalised girls in the Persona universe.
MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
Yeah. I'm leaving this thread alone until after the stream.
I just hope that we get something about P5, otherwise it'll be more disappointing than walking into the velvet room and finding a poem on the floor.
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