A Dead Diehard
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And now I'm glad again there aren't accident-exclusive Personas like the Famed demons in SMT4.
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And now I'm glad again there aren't accident-exclusive Personas like the Famed demons in SMT4.
LegionAgent
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Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
He is :>
Oh wow, is that a thing? Sounds like a terrible idea.
MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
There's usually a way to force accidents in mainline SMT games though.
DrunkShogun
Member
This annoyed me about smt4. Wanted to get those Fames demons and just had to call a day and bail.
Didn't it had to do with the moon phases?
A Dead Diehard
Member
I think using Foul demons increases the chance, along with using KO'd demons.
SMT4 didn't have moon phases.
MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
Depends on the game. My memory might be fuzzy on this but in Strange Journey you could use a plug in that forced a fusion accident every time, and in Soul Hackers there's something similar, which dramatically increases the chance of accidents.
I don't think SMT IV had anything as clear cut as that, but I remember reading that if you use a certain class (foul/undead?) on a full moon it increases your chances.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I don't even have a preorder ;_;
In Nocturne, a full moon greatly increases the chance of an accident.
Strange Journey had two apps, one that increased it and one that prevented it.
In IV, using a demon of the Foul alignment increased the chance up to 6/64th of a chance.
DrunkShogun
Member
That was the one I wanted as well. He was a bro in persona 4 and always likes to keep him in the squad.
A Dead Diehard
Member
Funyarinpa
Member
IMHO the next dungeon was the hardest in the game. Complete the dungeon twice over, especially if you were underleveled in Rise's dungeon.
Kanji is one hell of a Phys damage guy, his Elec is amazing as well. He'll certainly be helpful, I used it until the end.
Kanji is one hell of a Phys damage guy, his Elec is amazing as well. He'll certainly be helpful, I used it until the end.
Yikes, sounds good I will keep that in mind.
The exams and stuff were so fun after
Rise's dungeon and the Teddie reveal
Funyarinpa
Member
Dude I neglected my impending my math exam due to that part of the game
Failed (as in, got worse than needed) and am now ineligible for Math AP at school.
I don't regret it the slightest bit, that was probably my favorite arc in P4G.
Also
Black Frost is a top tier Persona, definitely fuse it. I used it myself.
Funyarinpa
Member
Heavy P4G spoiler
so IIRC the reason Rise appeared as a stripper etc. was actually because that's how the victim was perceived by the masses, Namatame is evidence to that. The thing is, if that is the case, how come are those manifestations the EXACT SAME THINGS the victims had refused to accept inside them?
endgame spoilers
It's been a while since I beat the game but I'll try.
The shadows have no relation to what the masses think, they come from the victims, in fact they only appear once the victim is in thrown in the tv.
Iirc the midnight channel shows what's on people's mind only until someone is thrown in, then it shows what's going on inside, which is the victim's struggle.
What people see before then are not shadows, Remember how Yukiko wears a kimono the first time you see her in the tv as opposed to the dress her shadow wears?
The shadows have no relation to what the masses think, they come from the victims, in fact they only appear once the victim is in thrown in the tv.
Iirc the midnight channel shows what's on people's mind only until someone is thrown in, then it shows what's going on inside, which is the victim's struggle.
What people see before then are not shadows, Remember how Yukiko wears a kimono the first time you see her in the tv as opposed to the dress her shadow wears?
someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Edit: btw your nickname and matching avatar are great.
Ludger Kresnik
Member
Yosuke/Yukiko/Teddie is usually my party for the whole game. This means the protag will have to take care of physical attacks, with Yosuke as backup on that front, but you get really easy recovery and heavy magic damage in return.
Feel free to experiment, though. Any party members who fall behind will get extra EXP through battles, so keeping everyone up to date is a small effort.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
You're Canadian right?
Funyarinpa
Member
Thanks for both the answer and compliment!
(P4G spoilers ahead)
I see what you mean but Rise's a weird case then because IIRC both her first appearance and her actual Shadow were along the lines of being a stripper (don't really know how to put it eloquently).
Thanks for both the answer and compliment!
(P4G spoilers ahead)I see what you mean but Rise's a weird case then because IIRC both her first appearance and her actual Shadow were along the lines of being a stripper (don't really know how to put it eloquently).
You see her spot in swimsuit on tv before she appears on the midnight channel, and she's an idol, with the midnight channel showing what the mass thinks of her it's only natural that she appears to be showing off her body.
JediLink
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I never thought I would be the type of person to do this but I just thought of a random ass yet perfect ship/teamup. Aigis and Mega Man X. They're both robots with human feelings. They both have "limitless potential" (Aigis with the wild card, X with the variable weapon system). They're basically exactly the same. Now I want to get an Aigis figure approximately the same size as my Mega Man X one so I can pose them together.
Funyarinpa
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Funyarinpa
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A Dead Diehard
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Reanimatoin
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Thanks for both the answer and compliment!
(P4G spoilers ahead)I see what you mean but Rise's a weird case then because IIRC both her first appearance and her actual Shadow were along the lines of being a stripper (don't really know how to put it eloquently).
Rise's Case: Major spoilers ahead
So, Rise is an Idol, which means modelling, singing, acting etc. The first time you actually see Rise is at the very start of the game, she's the girl in the bikini in the Quelorie Magic commercial.
So Rise's whole deal is that because she has all of these different jobs, she's concerned that no one gets to see the 'real her'. Because people get to see Model Rise, or Singer Rise, or Actor Rise, but they never actually get to see her for who she actually is. She's not being herself when she's idolling, she's got all of these different facades that she switches between depending on the situation.
This comes across in her shadow. Now, as you, hopefully, have realised by this point in the game, shadows come across and say "this is what you truely are" and then the characters reject them and they fight, and then they accept their shadow. But one of the most common misconceptions that people make is that the shadows genuinely are what the characters are truely like inside, but that is not the case.
The shadows are what happens when a character's emotions go haywire. They are an exaggeration of a feeling that they dont want to accept. The easiest example is Kanji. Kanji's shadow is this super camp, flamboyant personality that goes around shouting how much he likes men. But that's not what Kanji is. Kanji is someone who is into traditionally feminine activities, sewing, crocheting, knitting etc. And as a result of this, he got made fun of by girls as a kid, so his personality changes, he becomes this hyper agressive, loud, manly man, because that is what he thinks people expect a man to be like. But this personality is one that pushes people away from him. In the end, he thinks that feminine activities cause girls to think less of him. "Oh you like to sew, what a queer" I think is one of the lines the shadow gives. So his shadow manifests like it does because "guys dont say things like that".
In the end, Kanji accepts that this side of him exists, but it was never about men or women, he was just scared shitless of being rejected. But this shadow was the manefestation of an exaggeration of these emotions.
Now, back to Rise, her stripper shadow is in a similar vein. She's 'exposing herself' for everyone to see, because that's what the real Rise want's to do, but in a metaphorical sense, rather than the literal sense of, well, exposing herself. She want's to get rid of, or strip herself from, the multiple Rise's caused by her showbiz lifestyle, and want's the world to see her for who she truely is, or her 'naked' self. In the end, she accepts that there is no single version of 'the real me' and that all of her different personalities were born from inside her. That is what the stripper shadow represents, it's her wanting to cast away all of these other Rise's so that people see who she truely is, but this is manefested as casting away her clothes so that people see the naked self.
So Rise's whole deal is that because she has all of these different jobs, she's concerned that no one gets to see the 'real her'. Because people get to see Model Rise, or Singer Rise, or Actor Rise, but they never actually get to see her for who she actually is. She's not being herself when she's idolling, she's got all of these different facades that she switches between depending on the situation.
This comes across in her shadow. Now, as you, hopefully, have realised by this point in the game, shadows come across and say "this is what you truely are" and then the characters reject them and they fight, and then they accept their shadow. But one of the most common misconceptions that people make is that the shadows genuinely are what the characters are truely like inside, but that is not the case.
The shadows are what happens when a character's emotions go haywire. They are an exaggeration of a feeling that they dont want to accept. The easiest example is Kanji. Kanji's shadow is this super camp, flamboyant personality that goes around shouting how much he likes men. But that's not what Kanji is. Kanji is someone who is into traditionally feminine activities, sewing, crocheting, knitting etc. And as a result of this, he got made fun of by girls as a kid, so his personality changes, he becomes this hyper agressive, loud, manly man, because that is what he thinks people expect a man to be like. But this personality is one that pushes people away from him. In the end, he thinks that feminine activities cause girls to think less of him. "Oh you like to sew, what a queer" I think is one of the lines the shadow gives. So his shadow manifests like it does because "guys dont say things like that".
In the end, Kanji accepts that this side of him exists, but it was never about men or women, he was just scared shitless of being rejected. But this shadow was the manefestation of an exaggeration of these emotions.
Now, back to Rise, her stripper shadow is in a similar vein. She's 'exposing herself' for everyone to see, because that's what the real Rise want's to do, but in a metaphorical sense, rather than the literal sense of, well, exposing herself. She want's to get rid of, or strip herself from, the multiple Rise's caused by her showbiz lifestyle, and want's the world to see her for who she truely is, or her 'naked' self. In the end, she accepts that there is no single version of 'the real me' and that all of her different personalities were born from inside her. That is what the stripper shadow represents, it's her wanting to cast away all of these other Rise's so that people see who she truely is, but this is manefested as casting away her clothes so that people see the naked self.
Hopefully this helped, I probably messed up a point here and there, but its been a while since I played and I'm reciting this from memory. Either that or this whole thing had nothing to do with what you were asking.
I always viewed it as the shadow being the person's true feelings twisted by the rumors and perceptions of society. The investigation team is traversing the rumor and battling the shadow to find the "truth". The dungeon and the shadow come about because the person forgets the truth and buys into the rumor.
There's the truth of how you feel inside: "I don't exist for myself" that manifests into how people perceive you: "You exist for your body". The dungeon and Boss reflect the latter, and the reward is understanding and accepting the former.
Rise:
A lot of the characters' personal struggles come down to ownership of identity. It's usually always a struggle between how they view themselves and how society views them.
There's the truth of how you feel inside: "I don't exist for myself" that manifests into how people perceive you: "You exist for your body". The dungeon and Boss reflect the latter, and the reward is understanding and accepting the former.
Rise:
Rise's dungeon is really about ownership of her own identity. As soon as she forgets why she likes being an idol, she buys into the common belief that she's simply selling out her body.
A lot of the characters' personal struggles come down to ownership of identity. It's usually always a struggle between how they view themselves and how society views them.
Funyarinpa
Member
Well, to go one step further, it's not really society's rumors, it's the victim's own perception of how society perceives them. That's what I mean by the victim "buying into" the rumor.
It's complicated and really, really Japanese. Sure, we can all relate, but I think the idea of conforming to what you think society says you should be based on your problems is a bigger deal in japan.
The problem is that it's not super consistent in game, and a lot of the time they're making some logical leaps in order to have something that's really just either shocking or stylish. It works overall, but I do have some small problems with it.
P5 on the other hand, at least as far as we've seen, looks a little more straightforward, with each dungeon being some kind of sin. That's my theory, at least.
It's complicated and really, really Japanese. Sure, we can all relate, but I think the idea of conforming to what you think society says you should be based on your problems is a bigger deal in japan.
The problem is that it's not super consistent in game, and a lot of the time they're making some logical leaps in order to have something that's really just either shocking or stylish. It works overall, but I do have some small problems with it.
P5 on the other hand, at least as far as we've seen, looks a little more straightforward, with each dungeon being some kind of sin. That's my theory, at least.
Ludger Kresnik
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At least you're just playing P4G. Early vanilla P4 can be relentless.
A Dead Diehard
Member
Just consider yourself lucky you're not playing PQ then.
Ludger Kresnik
Member
They probably had no choice but to make SP recovery ruinously expensive in that because the game would've been so completely and thoroughly broken otherwise.
Mediking
Member
Oh, I know how unfair SP usage is in PQ too. It's just brutal. Nothing worse than being afraid to use moves you like.
Aadrian1234
Banned
There was a rumor going around on twitter (that i now think is fake) that has a "punch card" type of thing, where every movie you'd stamp a spot at the theater, and there were 5 spaces. Originally thought it was confirming The Answer, but i realized it would have been formally announced beforehand, and that no one else seems to have seen it and not a single site had talked about it either
However Aigis holding an evoker may give me some more hope to work with again.
The pessimist in me is saying that it's just representing Aigis mourning since we don't know WHEN she takes the evoker
It wasn't a rumor, it was just a guess based upon the fact that the punch card included with the first movie did indeed have five spaces. Also, they technically have not announced ANY of the movies ahead of time, so there's no reason to assume it'd be the same with The Answer.
It does add a lot to the story, although I still like the approach the manga took by incorporating most if it directly into the main story itself.
I'm surprised at how high Persona 5 ranked on the Most Anticipated poll this time. It got #8 in 2014, and #6 in 2015.
The hype is real, so they say.
The hype is real, so they say.