A Dead Diehard
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iirc,
Kou's crush on Chie is brought up more in the anime, which makes Ai jealous. Ai's the one who started it.
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iirc,
DryEyeRelief
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Reanimatoin
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Ai has a crush on Kou
Kou has a crush on Chie
Ai is "dating" Narukami
Yosuke thinks Chie is jealous of this
Yosuke signs Chie up to help the basketball team, trying to set her up with Narukami
Ai doesn't like this, because Chie is now closer to Kou
Ai yells at Chie because Kou likes her
Chie yells at Ai because shes treating Narukami like crap
Slap fight
Kou has a crush on Chie
Ai is "dating" Narukami
Yosuke thinks Chie is jealous of this
Yosuke signs Chie up to help the basketball team, trying to set her up with Narukami
Ai doesn't like this, because Chie is now closer to Kou
Ai yells at Chie because Kou likes her
Chie yells at Ai because shes treating Narukami like crap
Slap fight
Just like my mexican "telenovelas" .... lol
A Dead Diehard
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Morning Star
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MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
Daaaamn. Ai started it, she got what was coming.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Persona 5 better be the best game ever. So good that it'll save the world.
I still remember when I got to that part in Ai's social link where Kou admits to liking Chie like a week after I started going out with her myself, and all I could think was 'Dude....'. Even funnier because he talked about being jealous about me sitting next to her while I was already going out with her. Apparently, the MC likes to keep his relationships secret.
A Dead Diehard
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Yeah, that always kind of irked me.
Gotta keep it a secret for those potential harem players, I guess. :/
edit: The only time I remember relationships being acknowledged by other characters outside of cheating was
on the last day of P3, where Kaz makes a comment about Yuko. Though I could be wrong about that, it's been a while.
Morning Star
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That's another thing I hope will be rectified in P5 (but I doubt it). All of the meat of relationships occur in a vacuum in P3 & P4. If the game could address things like that I think it'd be a step forward.
cj_iwakura
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Try in every RPG ever. You could count on one hand RPGs where relationships actually play out during a game.
There might not be any.
And the few that do are scripted so the player has no real input into them either.
A Dead Diehard
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I know of seven RPGs across three series that do exactly that.
Or do all the Bioware ones just liquefy into a single blob and not count?
cj_iwakura
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JRPGs?
One day I was coming home from school and because I didn't have anything to listen to, I fell asleep for a few minutes on the bus. A nice older later sat next to me, which was of course fine, she just startled me a little. I sort of jerked awake and apologized when I noticed her and she said it was fine. She starts making light conversation with me and then goes on to her children and what she does for a living until her stop comes up and she says goodbye.
Now my own mother (who is also a nice older lady) has a couple of ideas for why this happens (it's happened a couple times):
1) I have a nice face and am very obviously a nice young man.
2) It can be easier to talk to, even open up to strangers rather than people you know.
I think the criticism that your love interest exists in a vacuum is, while totally valid, a little overdone because P4 is very much about having relationships with characters based on reason #2. Basically all of your relationships exist in a vacuum, to some extent if not fully, and it works pretty well, even if it might not be intentional (which I'm not ruling out.)
In a piece of fiction that very cleverly and also blatantly emphasizes how worried people are about how they're viewed by others, Yu is the nice young man, the quiet stranger, the unassuming teen; he's not even an Inaba local, so who really cares what he thinks?
I think it makes the wide birth of relationships you have via the S.Links more believable and I shudder to think of the logistics of tying that stuff together. And really, I'm just not convinced that's even necessary. Even restricting it to your romance, you'd more than likely get generic scenes rather than character specific ones, which means Atlus isn't writing a scene involving Yosuke, Yu, and (Chie), but rather Yosuke, Yu, and (Girlfriend). I don't see that being much more satisfying in practice than what we have now.
Then again, they're obviously not at all lazy with the volume of writing in these games, so maybe they would/will. With P4 specifically though, the above is why I personally have never been taken out of the experience.
Now my own mother (who is also a nice older lady) has a couple of ideas for why this happens (it's happened a couple times):
1) I have a nice face and am very obviously a nice young man.
2) It can be easier to talk to, even open up to strangers rather than people you know.
I think the criticism that your love interest exists in a vacuum is, while totally valid, a little overdone because P4 is very much about having relationships with characters based on reason #2. Basically all of your relationships exist in a vacuum, to some extent if not fully, and it works pretty well, even if it might not be intentional (which I'm not ruling out.)
In a piece of fiction that very cleverly and also blatantly emphasizes how worried people are about how they're viewed by others, Yu is the nice young man, the quiet stranger, the unassuming teen; he's not even an Inaba local, so who really cares what he thinks?
I think it makes the wide birth of relationships you have via the S.Links more believable and I shudder to think of the logistics of tying that stuff together. And really, I'm just not convinced that's even necessary. Even restricting it to your romance, you'd more than likely get generic scenes rather than character specific ones, which means Atlus isn't writing a scene involving Yosuke, Yu, and (Chie), but rather Yosuke, Yu, and (Girlfriend). I don't see that being much more satisfying in practice than what we have now.
Then again, they're obviously not at all lazy with the volume of writing in these games, so maybe they would/will. With P4 specifically though, the above is why I personally have never been taken out of the experience.
A Dead Diehard
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None of those, which you didn't specify.
Still, you make a good point. What are the ≤5 JRPGs where relationships play out?
edit: The only thing I vaguely hear about Lost Odyssey is that it's apparently the cure for several terminal disabilities.
cj_iwakura
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I vaguely recall hearing that Lost Odyssey had one.
Well said
It's also worth noting that P4G alters dialogue in a few occasions based on who you're dating. It's great.
A Dead Diehard
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Ideally, in this case, it wouldn't be Yosuke, Yu, and (Girlfriend), it would be Yosuke, Yu, and (Chie*).
Just a few alterations or additions to dialog in certain scenes, not replacing the writing with "Wow, I am SUCH a love interest who is romantically affiliated with protag!", that would be silly.
That said, I do agree that it can be easy to open up to strangers as opposed to people you have a history with.
Green Mamba
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A Dead Diehard
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Ooooh. Very good!
and surprisingly fitting.
Uh... that wasn't Nanako's Shadow. It was barely
Namatame's.
Nice. I especially like how you kept the Angel motif from Shadow Nanako and kiddified it.
Also bonus points for Nanako actually being usable as a navigator in PQ, so it's pretty easy to imagine her in the role.
I mean, you sort of took what I said and repeated it to me. Ideally it would be that, yes, but then you have to commit to writing specific, unique scenes more or less, which they may not want to do. It's the logistics and their response to them that aren't a guarantee.
A Dead Diehard
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Eh, don't sweat it.
Aadrian1234
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The think that made it jarring for me was some S Links, the personality was much different from the S Link to the day-to-day conversation. I understand the whole thing about showing different people different sides of your personality, but i'd like if characters dropped little hints to show you were a bit closer in story scenes. In P3P, i had talked to Aigis a couple times in Tartarus after doing Social Links with her, and she had responses based on if i went out with her that day, which made me feel even closer to her character. I don't think there's an easy way to make this happen, but it would be awesome if there was more acknowledgement with close friends/ people you're dating outside of social links in story scenes.
Persona Central just posted this
http://personacentral.com/rumor-persona-5-release-date-between-august-september/
P5 maybe to release between Tales of Beseria and FFXV?
http://personacentral.com/rumor-persona-5-release-date-between-august-september/
P5 maybe to release between Tales of Beseria and FFXV?
I almost hope it isn't the real release date, because it will get buried like all hell if it's releasing that close to Final FantasyXV. Beseria is double fucked if it's true.
CrimsonFist
Member
Window sounds plausible if they start marketing soonish, and it should be before the anniversary on 20th September going by the last interview.
sackboy2197
Member
If it released at the end of August/beginning of September I believe there would be enough time between the two for it not to be a problem.
umbrella +　five could mean other games such as RE5
Yeah, if it was 2009.
They're referring to Resident Evil 5 slated for the PS4 this summer, which is also a possibility (however, I believe RE5 is likely to be released before August).
CrimsonFist
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Fiveman = 5
Sentai = Featherman = Persona
I can see the connection. Not sure about the how the umbrella part fits though.
Sentai = Featherman = Persona
I can see the connection. Not sure about the how the umbrella part fits though.
Mediking
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Never worry about sales for JRPGS (especially console JRPGS) because it's depressing.
Yellow children's umbrella
Yellow = Persona 4
children = "the next generation"
-> The next generation of Persona
When do games usually come out in Japan?
CrimsonFist
Member
Even the umbrella yokai has never featured in a Megaten game as far as I can tell:
JimJamJones
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Don't do this to me again
Green Mamba
Member
Thanks for the comments guys, appreciate it.Ooooh. Very good!
and surprisingly fitting.
So I do have an idea regarding the umbrella, but it is admittedly incredibly and utterly farfetched. I'm not serious at all, even though it is based on "facts". I just found out that the last four Persona games (P4A, PQ, P4AU, P4D) were released on a Thursday which leads me to the assumption that P5 might be released on a Thursday as well.
This is where the umbrella comes into play. Umbrella means "kasa" in Japanese and is written with this kanji: 傘. The kanji itself consists of basically two elements, 人 (x5, meaning "one person") and 十 (meaning "ten"). If you break these up and line them up, you get this: 人+人+人+人+人+十. And then you can subsitute the kanji with their meanings which leads us to this: 1+1+1+1+1+10 = 15.
Taking into consideration that the game in question is supposed to released between Tales of Berseria (August 18) and Final Fantasy XV (September 30), there is exactly one possibility for a 15 in there: September 15, 2016. That day also happens to be a Thursday, so it lines up with the other games.
Tl;dr: Persona 5 comes out on September 15, 2016. Please don't kill me.
There's actually at least one argument that points to September 15, 2016 that wasn't arbitrarily derived from a Japanese character. Persona celebrates its 20th anniversary on September 20, 2016 (Five days later). Hashino also hinted that P5 would come out before the anniversary
This is where the umbrella comes into play. Umbrella means "kasa" in Japanese and is written with this kanji: 傘. The kanji itself consists of basically two elements, 人 (x5, meaning "one person") and 十 (meaning "ten"). If you break these up and line them up, you get this: 人+人+人+人+人+十. And then you can subsitute the kanji with their meanings which leads us to this: 1+1+1+1+1+10 = 15.
Taking into consideration that the game in question is supposed to released between Tales of Berseria (August 18) and Final Fantasy XV (September 30), there is exactly one possibility for a 15 in there: September 15, 2016. That day also happens to be a Thursday, so it lines up with the other games.
Tl;dr: Persona 5 comes out on September 15, 2016. Please don't kill me.
There's actually at least one argument that points to September 15, 2016 that wasn't arbitrarily derived from a Japanese character. Persona celebrates its 20th anniversary on September 20, 2016 (Five days later). Hashino also hinted that P5 would come out before the anniversary
CrimsonFist
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Thursday is the standard day for releases in Japan
But yeah, that does sound like a rather farfetched theory
But yeah, that does sound like a rather farfetched theory
Who would hide something like that in a kanji? It's not even fair to call this thing a "theory".
A Dead Diehard
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(what the fuck..?)
Uh... whatever you say, manga Burt Reynolds...
@ Green Mamba: Excellent as always. I enjoy your thinking behind the personas as much as the drawings themselves.
@Setsu00: I could see that, but I'm not sure the tease specifically means anything relating to persona. I still say it's the week of September 1st for completely arbitrary reasons.
@Setsu00: I could see that, but I'm not sure the tease specifically means anything relating to persona. I still say it's the week of September 1st for completely arbitrary reasons.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
A bloodbath.