Reanimatoin
Member
Eternal Punishment was never released here in any capacity.
The only legal way that I can play it is to buy and download it on my american account on the PS3. And to be honest, I've got other stuff to play right now.
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Eternal Punishment was never released here in any capacity.
The only legal way that I can play it is to buy and download it on my american account on the PS3. And to be honest, I've got other stuff to play right now.
Dragon1893
Member
Well, but you do have that option.
Besides, we were just discussing the fan translation of the PSP version on the previous page, once it's done, we'll be able to play Japanese physical copies in English.
Reanimatoin
Member
Yeah, that's one thing that I guarantee I'll never do. I'd need to buy a psp, a copy of the game, learn how to apply the patch (if it ever gets completed), and that's just too much hassle for someone as lazy as myself.
For those who really want it, it'll be a good option to have, I just dont care enough.
Dragon1893
Member
Oh OK, personally I'm grateful for the opportunity to play it thanks to that fantastic effort from these fans.
Anyway, if you can't be bothered to download it from PSN I'm guessing you didn't like the game very much, especially if you already have an US account set up.
cj_iwakura
Member
And just think, Atlus neutered the US version, as quietly as possible.
Kind of amazed the end of IS wouldn't have someone frothing at the mouth to play EP... it's an amazing cliffhanger.
By the way, someone from PH51 helped summarize what makes EP special:
Eh? It's not a cliffhanger at all. It finishes quite wonderfully in fact.
Reanimatoin
Member
I dunno what to tell you guys other than it just wasn't my favourite.
I think overall the game part of the whole experience is what soured me the most. Ludicrously high encounter rate mixed with a battle system that's neither fun nor challenging does not make me want to play more of it.
The story is good, if a bit bonkers, and the characters are fine, but at no point did the game hit me with a huge emotional reaction. Now I dont know if this was me rushing through the game or not (I basically went from one main story beat to the next), but plot and character points tend to come along and get resolved super quickly with not a lot of explanation or touched upon once, ignored for 15 hours, and then resolved out of nowhere.
Thats not to say ALL of the plot points are like that. Some are really well done, the Lisa/Tatsuya story, the group's connection to Maya, Jun in general. Hell, Lisa was my favourite character in the entire game, she's the only one I found to have genuine development throughout the entire thing.
I dunno, something just didnt sit right with this game, if EP really is as good as you say it is, I may give it a go at some point in the future, but I was fine with how IS ended honestly.
I think overall the game part of the whole experience is what soured me the most. Ludicrously high encounter rate mixed with a battle system that's neither fun nor challenging does not make me want to play more of it.
The story is good, if a bit bonkers, and the characters are fine, but at no point did the game hit me with a huge emotional reaction. Now I dont know if this was me rushing through the game or not (I basically went from one main story beat to the next), but plot and character points tend to come along and get resolved super quickly with not a lot of explanation or touched upon once, ignored for 15 hours, and then resolved out of nowhere.
Thats not to say ALL of the plot points are like that. Some are really well done, the Lisa/Tatsuya story, the group's connection to Maya, Jun in general. Hell, Lisa was my favourite character in the entire game, she's the only one I found to have genuine development throughout the entire thing.
I dunno, something just didnt sit right with this game, if EP really is as good as you say it is, I may give it a go at some point in the future, but I was fine with how IS ended honestly.
cj_iwakura
Member
It could be seen that way, but there's a lot of unanswered questions, and everything is clearly not well on the Other Side.
And EP is infinitely better than IS. It's the adult side of the teen story.
cj_iwakura
Member
You really think Unbreakable Tie's better than the original OP? The original has a melancholy, sad vibe, and in the remake it's wildly different.
At least EP PSP realized that was the wrong route and just remixed the original OP.
Unbreakable Tie is leaps and bounds better.
And EP didn't 'realise' anything, it's just that Konishi did the opening instead of Meguro.
Rest assured that if Meguro would have done it, it would be still been a Meguro vocal track.
Persona 2 is a very silly game. It doesn't need a chanty electronica track for the opening. (Not that I don't like Knights, of course).
I like Unbreakable Tie for what it is, but the original opening quoting Der Doppelgänger is the GOAT. There's no beating that.
Also, echoing the comments that you should play P2EP now Rean. Infinitely better game than the PSP version of Innocent Sin, despite missing some of the UI improvements.
Also, echoing the comments that you should play P2EP now Rean. Infinitely better game than the PSP version of Innocent Sin, despite missing some of the UI improvements.
cj_iwakura
Member
Persona 3's pretty damn silly too. Heck, they all are, but there's nothing like this in IS PSP:
I just kind of prefer that vibe.
P3 is super silly, and that's why it starts with the jazzy, synthy rock weirdness that is Burn My Dread.Persona 3's pretty damn silly too. Heck, they all are, but there's nothing like this in IS PSP:
I just kind of prefer that vibe.
The only thing that Persona 2 excels at is characters and world building. In that regard, it's very, very good. (P2:EP straight up has the best narrative on the franchise and Tatsuya has the best arc), but the gameplay is truly, truly terrible.
No offense Iwakura, but the person you quoted comes across as delusional, since they opt for the tried and true fallacy of dismissing complaints directed towards their favorite game by saying the sequels aren't much better (ie: they're wrong).
No offense Iwakura, but the person you quoted comes across as delusional, since they opt for the tried and true fallacy of dismissing complaints directed towards their favorite game by saying the sequels aren't much better (ie: they're wrong).
cj_iwakura
Member
I disagree on that point too, but he still defends the gameplay of P2 better than I can. I still enjoy it a lot. I never saw what makes it any worse than any other turn based RPG of the era(or ever, really).
I remember even back in the day disliking specific aspects of Eternal Punishment's gameplay. Specifically the tarot card collecting.
That being said, the UI was a huge improvement in most areas over the PS1 version of Persona 1. Also, the PSP version of Innocent Sin is really awful compared to the PS1 version of EP.
That being said, the UI was a huge improvement in most areas over the PS1 version of Persona 1. Also, the PSP version of Innocent Sin is really awful compared to the PS1 version of EP.
cj_iwakura
Member
I grew to love the tarot collecting when I realized it's a 'get out of battles free' card(literally). I don't mind the PSP version much, apart from the lack of music looping and nerfed difficulty(of an already absurdly easy game).
He really doesn't though. He only asserts that P3/P4's gameplay rules are based off P2:EP (which is wrong). He doesn't address:
-How P2's game flow is very slow. High frequency random encounters coupled with long loading times and long animations make for an unpleasant playing experience.
-The trial and based contact system
-The grinding (for EP)
-The complete lack of difficulty (for IS)
These are just some of the things that make P2 a complete chore to play.
And him claiming that P3/P4 can be cheesed with All Out Attack is downright laughable when Fusion Skills break P2:IS and are by far the most efficient method of ending battles in EP.
Reanimatoin
Member
Yeah, I hated the persona system in IS. The card collecting was so tedious that I eventually just straight up stopped doing it and just left the characters with what personas the story gave them.
Also, the one major thing that bugged me about the battle system was the spells. Every spell in a characters arsenal cost the exact same SP regardless of what it was. Bufula? 54 SP. Crescent Moon? 54 SP. Why?
Also, fusion spells were kinda worthless most of the time. I'd usually get more damage output by not using them.
Also, the one major thing that bugged me about the battle system was the spells. Every spell in a characters arsenal cost the exact same SP regardless of what it was. Bufula? 54 SP. Crescent Moon? 54 SP. Why?
Also, fusion spells were kinda worthless most of the time. I'd usually get more damage output by not using them.
cj_iwakura
Member
The best thing in EP is the first Pixie you get. She learns Megido and it costs like 4SP.
The thing is, SP costs are based on the Persona, and their affinity to it. So if a low level Persona learns Megidolaon, it'll always be whatever their SP cost is.
Lisa and Pixie are both Lovers, so they're compatible, but if, say, Eikichi used it, it'd cost way more(if he could even use her).
Reanimatoin
Member
Fuck it
If I dont do it now, I'll probably never do it
If I dont do it now, I'll probably never do it
kboyrulez12345
Neo Member
Just a little observation seeing this P2 talk, but it's funny how similar the fanbase of Fallout and Persona are. Fallout 1 & 2 are seen as superior overall by some compared to the latter titles, while others heavily disagree.
Same thing with Persona I think. Although from what I've gathered, P1 has a general consensus of being too dated I think?
Same thing with Persona I think. Although from what I've gathered, P1 has a general consensus of being too dated I think?
cj_iwakura
Member
Fuck it
If I dont do it now, I'll probably never do it
P1 has its charms, and it's still the highest selling game, hilariously enough.
It really depends on what version of Persona 1 you play.
The original PS1 version is definitely too dated, but the PSP version holds up pretty well despite clearly being an overly ambitious title (multiple routes, characters, secrets, the sheer excessive amount of weapons and elements, imbalances, etc) for it's time. I consider it a pretty good RPG myself, even if it has it's flaws.
Persona 2 also suffers from another problem that's unique to the western fanbase: We got the drastically inferior version of Innocent Sin, and didn't get the superior version of Eternal Punishment. That tends to color people's expectations, especially because Innocent Sin PSP is really awful in the balance department.
The Persona fanbase tends to be relatively accepting of Persona 3 and Persona 4 too. Yes, they're different in styles, but they're a clear evolution in the battle system and continuation of the themes that Persona 1 and Persona 2 Innocent Sin set up. Obviously people have their arguments over which one has the better story, and there are clear criticisms to be made at Persona 3/4's randomized dungeons tho.
Fuck it
If I dont do it now, I'll probably never do it
Aight, imma hook you up with some helpful tips to get you through it
1) Regarding Maya's stat spread. Pump points into to TEC, keep VIT and AGI relatively high. TEC is the most important stat since it affects damage and how much HP you gain from healing.
2) Don't be a dick your best friend (it will make sense in context)
3) Spam Fusion spells. Fusion spells are powerful (though not as broken as IS) and they're the only way you can mutate Personas (mutation = new skills or even the ability to upgrade a Persona)
3) After a certain point, you'll be able to get Maia Prime. This is the most important Persona in the game. Make sure you grab Pixie too and mutate until it gts Megido.
4) This guide will help with Contacts. Trust me, you'll need it.
5) Constantly updating your Personas is mandatory. This was the biggest shock I experienced going from IS ---> EP since you could coast on your default Personas in that game. Since it takes so long to grind for tarots, you don't want to waste them on crap Personas. Use this guide to get the right ones.
6) You're going to need to grind like crazy. Prepare for the suffering.
cj_iwakura
Member
Did anyone else here beat EP's super boss? Good god, what a slog. Not difficult... just tedious.
I just want to expand on the sheer amount of crazy skill types in Persona 1.
Ya'll know how Persona 3 has the three attack types, four magic types, two superntural types, healing spells, support spells, and Almighty right?
Well, here's Persona 1. These are all classified differently from each other, and with many subtypes. For spells, you have:
Element
For physical you have:
Tech
Rush
Melee
Like 35 different types of abilities, total. Counting subtypes and stuff. Game had way too many for it's own good. And I'm not even sure that's everything despite using a wiki.... >_>;
Ya'll know how Persona 3 has the three attack types, four magic types, two superntural types, healing spells, support spells, and Almighty right?
Well, here's Persona 1. These are all classified differently from each other, and with many subtypes. For spells, you have:
Element
- Fire
- Ice
- Wind
- Earth
- Electric
- Nuclear
- Blast
- Gravity
- Expel
- Miracle
- Bless
- Prayer
- Death
- Curse
- Nerve
- Occult
For physical you have:
Tech
Rush
Melee
- 1-Hand Sword
- 2-Hand Sword
- Spear
- Axe
- Whip
- Fist
- Thrown
- Arrow
- Gun
Like 35 different types of abilities, total. Counting subtypes and stuff. Game had way too many for it's own good. And I'm not even sure that's everything despite using a wiki.... >_>;
Dragon1893
Member
Having played both versions of IS, I'm not sure where the "drastically inferior" comes from but whatever. My only significant complaint is the low difficulty.
As for comparing it to the other games, I love them all for different reasons and that's all I need to know.
sackboy2197
Member
Having just started with P1, I'd like to say that this has helped me a lot
I'll keep playing kinda randomly though, ain't got no time to memorise all of these skills and sub-types. If I could stop getting Megaten'd by those toilettes I'd be happier though.
I want to add more:
-Don't use Estoma frequently. EP is more difficult than IS, so it's a bad idea avoid many battles.
-Use the negotiation system just with few demons to get from them free cards. It's the best way of get new Personas. This is because I see that negotiation in this game it's to only get free cards, and to escape from demons, better when they are friends with you.
And I am with all of you who recognize EP, even in its original version, has a better battle system that IS (I am salty that PSP IS don't copy it)
KibblesBits
Member
It's so nice to see people discussing strats and giving tips for the P2 games. Feels good man.
Satsuya K.
Neo Member
I enjoyed playing the duology. Sure the gameplay is flawed but I really enjoyed the character development and it's themes of dreams and having to go through adulthood. I can relate alot to Tatsuya. Both of us having no dreams (I always pick the choice of having no dreams in the beginning of IS), going through tough times in childhood and having to eventually become an adult. I yet to find a career that I can enjoy doing for the rest of my life but I'm leaning to becoming a noveltist to write about stories that references real-life issues.
snow in jamaica
Member
I can't write worth anything but I'd love to attempt a series history account and analysis someday.
A Dead Diehard
Member
It'd probably be better than that one that goes through the whole megaten franchise, then ends with giving P4 the lowest score possible.
snow in jamaica
Member
Or the one that purports to be a series history overview but just goes over the first few minutes of the first three games and turns into a spoilerfest of 3 and 4.
Getting more knowledge may be easy enough, but I need to work on my expression
And Marisha Ray as Margaret .... right ....
Right....
Ok i go now.
(Sometimes i think im the only one who like her take of Margaret or maybe im using her too much in Ultimax recently so im gettting used to it)
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In a side note i see Rena Strober and Rachel Kimsey end up voicing someone in Persona 5. (Party members , cooperation / social links or whatever)
Both kinda newcomers (so fresh addition over the overused VA of always) , getting more and bigger roles , working with Arem very recently , and with a Atlus / Persona past who always love to recast and give them a second Persona role to many actors. (Just like happen with Lee Morris aka Morgana).
PD: If not one of them is voicing a character in SMT IV Apocalypse already , specially Asahi which i cant still figure it out who is her dub voice.
Same with DC Douglas the guy is a given.
StarSketch
Banned
...Wait, EP can be played on the PS3? or is that a PS4?
I can only get it to show up on my vita unless I'm doing something wrong....
I can only get it to show up on my vita unless I'm doing something wrong....
I've been playing Lost Dimension lately it surprises me that Atlus can contact Michael Sinterniklaas for such a minor project. Based off that game, I'm guessing he'd do well as Goro.
Reanimatoin
Member
You can play it on a ps3, same with any ps1 classics download (or ps1 disc if you have an old model ps3).
Ps4 cant play it though.
CrimsonFist
Member
Probably nothing major and just going over the E3 stuff, but seems like there's P5 stuff in Dengeki this week.
Wondering if I want to bother with it. We're getting so close to release that I'm thinking I've had my fill of pre-release footage. Like, I don't want to have the entire game laid out before it even releases here.
https://twitter.com/bk2128/status/752898062981353473
Persona 5's dungeons implied to be fixed, not randomly generated.
Already arranged for my off day to fall on next Tuesday so that I can watch the livestream. Spoilers wise I'm generally okay with stuff that they throw at us through official trailers, but I'll always find myself reading into the theories and guesses that other people are able to dig out of those. Siiigh.
I wanna see the full P5 opening though. Yet to see how the other cast members will go about ice-skating on the freeway. Wonder if AtlusJP's gonna keep it close to their heart like they did with Persona 4 Dancing (only releasing the game's opening a few days prior to release).
If that's the case we will need John to appear in a stream (preferably Easy Allies, with Kyle Bosman) and "accidentally" broadcast the opening to us fans in a fashion similar to E3 2015. =D
He isn't as big as he was in the mid 2000s, and beyond Venture Brothers, he doesn't have any real mainstream roles, either. Apparently he's been trying to break into LA games and animation for a bit now (all his big roles were cast through New York), so it's more surprising that he's not in more stuff.
But yeah, he'd be a really good fit for Goro. Just have to wonder if he's on PCB's radar yet or not.
CrimsonFist
Member
After next Tuesday, guess we'll also have an August event, then a launch event.
August is the concert too.
August is the concert too.
Oh yea 7th Dragon III CODE VFD for the 3DS should be released today.
If you want to build your party via the custom options, I think you can pretty much safely roll with a main core team featuring voice talents from Persona 5.
-Nana Mizuki (Ann/e)
-Mamoru Miyano (Ryuji)
-Tomokazu Sugita (Yusuke)
-Rina Satou (Makoto)
-Aki Toyosaki (Velvet Twins-Justine/Caroline)
-Aoi Yuuki (Futaba)
and possibly more, if you want to include previous Persona titles e.g Akira Ishida (P3MC), or P4MC.
Just a small reminder for fun!
If you want to build your party via the custom options, I think you can pretty much safely roll with a main core team featuring voice talents from Persona 5.
-Nana Mizuki (Ann/e)
-Mamoru Miyano (Ryuji)
-Tomokazu Sugita (Yusuke)
-Rina Satou (Makoto)
-Aki Toyosaki (Velvet Twins-Justine/Caroline)
-Aoi Yuuki (Futaba)
and possibly more, if you want to include previous Persona titles e.g Akira Ishida (P3MC), or P4MC.
Just a small reminder for fun!