Morning Star
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What ever happened to that steelbook? It was supposed to be a retailer exclusive in Japan but I don't think we ever saw it in the wild. All I can find is promotional renders or unfinished templates.
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Persona Community Thread |OT9| SPOILER TAGS OR DIE
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What ever happened to that steelbook? It was supposed to be a retailer exclusive in Japan but I don't think we ever saw it in the wild. All I can find is promotional renders or unfinished templates.
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Deleted member 518609
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It was exclusive to orders from GEO, it just doesn't seem like a whole lot of people bought the game from there. I saw a few people posting images of it on twitter though.
A Dead Diehard
Member
Costumes and Personas.
The costume DLC consists of a set with one for every party member.
Persona DLC consists of a past Persona and a stronger "picaro" reskin (eg. Izanagi and Izanagi Picaro)
sackboy2197
Member
It's costumes and some special Personas.
EDIT: Beaten pretty badly. Like 1 minute.
ASilentProtagonist
Member
If it means anything to some of the cynics here. The English voice acting for Persona 5 has been very good so far.
A Dead Diehard
Member
Oh, I'm past worrying about the actual voice acting (save for Tower boy).
It's the writing that's got me unimpressed.
It's all DLC, it seems. :/
StereoVsn
Gold Member
So does P5 have various costumes included in the game itself similar to P3 or P4/P4G or are those all DLC based? The great variety of costumes in the previous games was quite enjoyable and it would be unfortunate if Atlus went that route.
Between uninteresting localization, shoddy VA and DLC pricing my hype is reaching a low level. Considering that P4G is one of my GOAT games it's not a great feeling. At least Japanese voices are there to save from English VA and my hearing comprehension in Japanese have gotten to a decent level.
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Where is this mythical very good VA evident? Every trailer they have showed has had underwhelming/mediocre VA.
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For costumes, seriously, no additional costumes outside DLCs? That's a damn shame.
Between uninteresting localization, shoddy VA and DLC pricing my hype is reaching a low level. Considering that P4G is one of my GOAT games it's not a great feeling. At least Japanese voices are there to save from English VA and my hearing comprehension in Japanese have gotten to a decent level.
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Where is this mythical very good VA evident? Every trailer they have showed has had underwhelming/mediocre VA.
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I don't think OG Japanese writing is necessarily bad but rather the localization effort is the cause here.
For costumes, seriously, no additional costumes outside DLCs? That's a damn shame.
Dead End Irony
Member
This is good news. I have a feeling I'll have my copy before the dual audio DLC drops and I was considering waiting for the DLC before playing. It's good to know I can probably start with the English voices.
A Dead Diehard
Member
Exactly what I meant.
The snappiness of the localization dialog we've seen in past games seems to have gone over to other series.
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Deleted member 518609
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Yes, all costumes are DLC, but not all of them are paid. Based on how the everyday outfits seem to be omitted from the list, they could be integrated into the base game in the English version. They were free in Japan. There are a few other free costumes in Japan that haven't been listed by Atlus USA yet, but I assume they'll be free too.
For what it's worth, vanilla Persona 3 and 4 did not have costumes, they were added in FES and Golden.
StarSketch
Banned
Yeah, it isn't voiced. It's just one of the quick throwaway lines you get when you complete one of the basic dungeon puzzles.
But I'm gonna have to look up who Atlus' current localization editors are. Like I said earlier, Record Breaker had a lot of the same issues (and it was one of the first games not helmed by Nich in a while, even though he was still at the company), but then Apocalypse ended up being really good. If it's all the same people (and I know that some of the same people who worked on P3 and P4 are still there), then it really could just be an issue of insane deadlines for the amount of text they're dealing with.
Still, regardless of the factors, it doesn't reflect well on them to delay the game for two months citing the localization's quality, only for them to keep a lot of those same issues in early on.
Yeah, that's generally where I'm at. Japanese audio made it easier to get through Zero Time Dilemma having one of the characters casually bring up a sister complex to an American who likely has no contact with Japanese culture but who knew exactly what she meant with no other explanation. That's among other really weird word choices. Though that's another case of a series taking a hit in writing quality following the departure of its head localizer.
Pretty sure Silent's got a review copy. And almost none of the localization companies remix the VO for trailers, which leaves it sounding worse outside the final game, but I've still got some reservations. Some things really stand out even with the usual presentation issues in mind.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Yes, I realize that (P3 FES, P3P, P4G having costumes) and it's a shame that now 3 games later we are discussing all costumes being locked behind DLCs. Also, considering Catherine costumes were free on release in Japan I wouldn't bet on the other costume sets being free either.
Woah, let's not say anything crazy, dude. Early reviewers are absolutely adoring the game, and let's face it, most of the localization complaints are pedantic at best. Not to downplay the legitimate complaints towards the localization, but it's such a drop in the bucket in regards to the overall experience, it would be beyond silly to pass on P5.
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I feel like not making the Catherine costumes free for a week in the West is the most they can get away with. But if they make the permanently free in Japan Christmas and Butler/Maid outfits cost money, I doubt that'll fly.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Well, excellent VA, great localization and yeah, even costumes, all added in making P3 (FES and P3P) and P4G damn good. Bad VA and localization can be tremendously immersion breaking. Plus if you throw in the amount of delays and expectations going in after P4G, it's rather unfortunate that these issues are occurring.
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Of course they will get away with it even if they don't make costumes free. Reviewers will ignore the issue, everyone on various boards will gush about the game, and nobody is going to return their copy when in May it turns out everything is paid DLC.
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Deleted member 518609
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Come on. The only piece of "free DLC" that we have any info for the West are the swimsuits, and they're still free. The other free DLC will stay free.
Funyarinpa
Member
I like to think of the overly verbose localization as the cast acting chuuni as fuck. It won't always fit, but at least for the Phantom Thief aesthetic scenes, it makes a little bit of sense
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
All the VA have had some rough spots, but (going off the limited VA footage we've gotten) the only one I'm honestly actually worried about (from the main playable cast) is Makoto. But worse comes to it, there's always JP VA.
While some overly convoluted text lines may make me raise an eyebrow, personally, I can play some of that off as being part of the 'picaresque' theme.
That being said, I am curious to what was actually changed/modified, or looked at during this 7 week delay, given that adding additional voiced lines and translation checks were purported to be part of the big final focus.
(The other possibility is that the review code is using a pre-final pass script, but that seems a bit unlikely)
While some overly convoluted text lines may make me raise an eyebrow, personally, I can play some of that off as being part of the 'picaresque' theme.
That being said, I am curious to what was actually changed/modified, or looked at during this 7 week delay, given that adding additional voiced lines and translation checks were purported to be part of the big final focus.
(The other possibility is that the review code is using a pre-final pass script, but that seems a bit unlikely)
Son Of Sparda
Member
How is it that Atlus could have such an amazing localization with Yakuza 0, yet struggle so much with Persona 5?
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People will be arguing over what happened in the delay period for years to come. Personally I don't think it's anything more than Atlus USA needing more time than they initially estimated to localise the game. I highly doubt anything additional will be voiced, and going on the footage we have, that seems to be the case - they never actually said they would be voicing more either, only that they had to do "additional voice recording that wasn't planned," which could be as little as recording names to sound better.
I know, but it's still not worth passing over the game in spite of all that. You're only screwing yourself over. Besides, I flatly disagree with the English VA being bad. It's quite solid imo.
I agree with this. Claims like "Dual audio caused the delay!" or "the delayed the game to avoid a crowded release schedule!" seem way off base.
Dead End Irony
Member
It is weird to see people get so irritated by the localization. A mid-low tier localization won't prevent me from enjoying the game's visuals, atmosphere, gameplay, etc. I suppose it could've been prevented, but whatever.
But I probably shouldn't be one to talk, my all time favorite game is Shenmue. I've been trained to view shoddy localization as endearing.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Well, no, I am not passing on the game as I have had SE pre-ordered since Day 1 (P4G is in my Top 5 game list after all) but that doesn't mean I am not going to be critical of the shoddy efforts that seem more like NISA vs Atlus.
I do agree with the above Yakuza 0 comment as localization in that game was so on point with great humor and appropriate gravitas during the dramatic scenes. I think the issue is most likely that the P5 localization director is simply not as good. I have no other explanation.
For the delay, IMO, it's the continuation of the clusterfuck going on between Atlus Japan and Atlus USA since the beginning. It's a large game and it seems asinine that Atlus US couldn't start localization till the game was fully done in Japan. It's again, the only plausible explanation that I could come up with that is not tin-foilish.
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The reason for that is the game is a sequel to a game with some of the best localization in the business, i.e. P4/P4G. The drop in quality is noticeable, unexpected and certainly unfortunate.
Thats was i think too , lets see if they really voiced more scenes or lines than the original dub (japanese) but when they say they gonna record something wasn't planned feels like we gonna "record again" everything we feel we mess up.
Is kinda sad to see an english cast like P5 had which names only is great (even better than P3 / P4 depending your actors taste) , is going to see looked down just for a weird script or literal translation. Specially when previous games (even spinoffs) always get a great localization , like the dude above says.
But at what point is that overall experience good despite the localization and not because of it? I'm totally sympathetic to what they must be going through, but at the end of the day, they're releasing a retail product, which in my mind, means I'm a customer, meaning the kid gloves have to come off.
This is straight from the president's mouth – and I had to look a little deeper to make this transcription, because Atlus USA has scrubbed all traces of the announcement video from their official channels. They even deleted the original livestream mirror just so they could upload a version that didn't have the video in it.
Naota Hiraoka said:
Sure, you can take it as just PR speak, but they're failing by their own standards. My hope is that if the quality is lower, that Atlus Japan will finally wake up and give the US side the tools it needs to thrive.
That's fine, but a lot of the Japanese impressions I've seen have said that the Japanese version is exceedingly well-written, in which case, the downgrade is that much more of a bummer.
StarSketch
Banned
It's like an 85 to p4's 90
Whereas a good chunk of Square's dubs are in the 70-90 range.
So not terrible, but a step down.
Whereas a good chunk of Square's dubs are in the 70-90 range.
So not terrible, but a step down.
StarSketch
Banned
I mean I probably would have been fine, especially since I personally can't nail what makes P4's dub amazing.
But all the complaining about P5 basically turned on my radar for mistakes, and it'll probably mess with my experience.
Geez people, from the way that some of you guys here are typing, I would have assumed that the game was already available for sale and that you were able to snag a copy and had already gone through the localization script with a fine-tooth comb to point out the flaws between the Japanese/English writing, voiceovers and what's not.
Yes, while concerns are legit, I do wish that some of us can wait until the game is officially out for us to draw a conclusion for ourselves rather than over-analyze/scrutinize these little snippets of localized gameplay such as trailers/previews as they only offer a small glimpse out of what might be a 60, 80 or even a 100+ hour game.
Not out to offend anyone at all, just saying that the game is still a few weeks away and I personally think that we ought to give the actual game a try first. That might be the best way to draw conclusions for ourselves.
e.g case in point: Trails of Cold Steel's trailers did very little for a certain portion of the Kiseki/Trails fans since voiced lines etc can easily be taken out of context. I also wasn't very fond of the English voice acting that I heard in the trailers until I was able to play through a larger portion of the game myself and find out that the cast/writing was actually a lot better than what I thought it might be.
A large portion of the Cold Steel 2 voice cast are also lending their voices to Persona 5, so I'll be keeping a lookout for them and their characters!
Yes, while concerns are legit, I do wish that some of us can wait until the game is officially out for us to draw a conclusion for ourselves rather than over-analyze/scrutinize these little snippets of localized gameplay such as trailers/previews as they only offer a small glimpse out of what might be a 60, 80 or even a 100+ hour game.
Not out to offend anyone at all, just saying that the game is still a few weeks away and I personally think that we ought to give the actual game a try first. That might be the best way to draw conclusions for ourselves.
e.g case in point: Trails of Cold Steel's trailers did very little for a certain portion of the Kiseki/Trails fans since voiced lines etc can easily be taken out of context. I also wasn't very fond of the English voice acting that I heard in the trailers until I was able to play through a larger portion of the game myself and find out that the cast/writing was actually a lot better than what I thought it might be.
A large portion of the Cold Steel 2 voice cast are also lending their voices to Persona 5, so I'll be keeping a lookout for them and their characters!
In my case i dont even speak english to being with , so any phrase bad worded or literal put it , is not gonna trigger my radars i think.
And been a while since i see footage of the japanese game , so im basically forgot how these characters should sound so im embracing basically what the dub throw at me right now, like i say cant be worse than smoking lady voice of Hinoka or "we gut truble" of Felicia in FE Fates.
As someone who even prefer P3 Dub and work over p4 , with the footage we see so far , P5 had the standart of P3 / P4 IMO ...the problem is gonna be when i compare P5 localization to example SMT IV or Apocalypse which to me those works are been flawless / the best of Atlus so far , the kind of quality i expect for this game (P5).
EDIT : What MSMrRound says , in Valerie Arem and P5 English Cast we trust
And been a while since i see footage of the japanese game , so im basically forgot how these characters should sound so im embracing basically what the dub throw at me right now, like i say cant be worse than smoking lady voice of Hinoka or "we gut truble" of Felicia in FE Fates.
As someone who even prefer P3 Dub and work over p4 , with the footage we see so far , P5 had the standart of P3 / P4 IMO ...the problem is gonna be when i compare P5 localization to example SMT IV or Apocalypse which to me those works are been flawless / the best of Atlus so far , the kind of quality i expect for this game (P5).
EDIT : What MSMrRound says , in Valerie Arem and P5 English Cast we trust
StereoVsn
Gold Member
I must say I wasn't crazy at all about Cold Steel writing but that was more OG material vs localization. Characters especially felt very weak (at least in first game) compared to previous games in the series.
Actually, that might be a perfect example as I felt quality of the characters, interaction and writing fell compared to FC/SC and I can see a parallel with P5 to P4G.
As far as drawing conclusions too early, sure, maybe that is so but I think everyone's fear is that Atlus is not going to do justice to P5 material whether voiced or written. We shall see in a few weeks.
Actually, that might be a perfect example as I felt quality of the characters, interaction and writing fell compared to FC/SC and I can see a parallel with P5 to P4G.
As far as drawing conclusions too early, sure, maybe that is so but I think everyone's fear is that Atlus is not going to do justice to P5 material whether voiced or written. We shall see in a few weeks.
Merchandise
Member
I could see localization/text complaints knocking the game a small amount honestly, but I'm hoping a Meta of like 94 is in play.
A Dead Diehard
Member
Though I wonder, have there been any "YEAH!" moments in this game's script we've seen?
Any real zingers? Any "that's so cool"?
Legitimate question.
Cannon_Fodder
Member
Well, I like "Whassup persona?"
I wouldn't really call that a "YEAH!" moment though, more of a personal preference thing. I'm not surprised that there are no real "YEAH!" moments shown in the pre-release footage though. All of the lines I liked most from P3 and P4 were either really minor lines or social link specific. I think that as a general rule, the kinds of lines you use in trailers that sell a game's concept are usually the worst from a plain writing standpoint.
"It's not just Japan anymore. The whole world's waiting to see the Phantom Thieves' next move."
just kidding
-All of the shadow lines are good (T&A? No, it's all about the legs...)
-Battle lines are very good as well ("Time for my comeback with style and grace~!")
-There's a show you can rent called the "X-folders"
Son Of Sparda
Member
Did you just casually spoiled a part of P5 with that picture?
I have no idea if Atlus actually intends to update the game's script in its last-minute changes/any day one patch, but if they do, it's worth noting the preview/review code was sent out a few weeks ago AFAWK, which would make for a month+ gap between preview/review copy and retail. Not a ton of time for changes, but long enough that it's not impossible for them to do some tweaks.
It's also worth reminding people that this game truly does have a massive amount of text in it.
Not really? It's a screenshot from the very first dungeon of the game. Not really any plot details there, it's the basic premise of the palace.
It's also worth reminding people that this game truly does have a massive amount of text in it.
Not really? It's a screenshot from the very first dungeon of the game. Not really any plot details there, it's the basic premise of the palace.
But apparently you will always piss somebody off.
Using a quite literal translation for "As expected from you, Joker." -> People complain on NeoGAF the localization is too literal and so bad, they won't buy the game anymore.
They're are creative and change the Japanese line quite a bit to: "Whassup Persona!?"
People complain on Gamefaqs the localization is too different and so bad, they won't buy the game anymore.
No, he didn't. There is no spoiler in this image.
artsi
Member
Nah, trailers spoil way more than that, don't worry.
Cannon_Fodder
Member
It sucks, but it's the internet so someone is always going to be mad. Which brings me to this next point...
As GSR points out, P5 is HUGE (or is it YUGE now? I dunno). And, at the end of the day, Atlus USA are people doing their best to get a massive amount of work done to a high standard with a tight deadline. I'm as picky about the localization as anyone, but I think that at the end of the day it will be less-than-perfect at the absolute worst.
On the plus side, I'd say most criticism in this thread has been mature, rather than unnecessarily personal or mean. So that's nice to see.
Son Of Sparda
Member
Okay, good to know. I thought that might've been a mid to late game dungeon. If it's the first one then I don't mind.
So.... is this one a spoil?
lol
Mediking
Member
P4 didn't have those cool manga style cutouts, right? I know P3 did.