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Persona Community Thread: The Butterfly Effect
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ScraftyDevil
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We should make a Persona 5 website similar to this.
Hinted via Persona 3 Portable. Eventually announced in an August 2010 edition of Famitsu.
buddha0991
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I remember when a ton of people thought that was P5. Everyone was abuzz about older cast/mc's, dreams, etc.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
buddha0991
Member
actually Labrys and Marie are the hints. P5 is gonna suck
This
buddha0991
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Well, Labrys was pretty damn entertaining, but Marie was Marie, so yea.
We all knew this is how you really feel.
CrazyTank940
Member
Non-Dantis preaching it like it is
Shadow Dantis!
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Prepare for battle!
Any excuse to post this theme is a good one.
Hm, I wonder what Shadow Scrafty would look/act like?
STUPIDJERKFACEIHATEYOU.
Yes, I thought that when I saw this pic.
Not only will I learn Labrys, i will buy the game again if need be just so I can torment.
But no, I wouldn't be TOO shocked about Labrys being something that was linking, or some part of the arena story. Though Vincent in 3P was more tongue in cheek I guess and easter eggy. I wouldn't necessarily be disappointed because yeah, Labrys was handled infinitely better than Marie.
I liked everything about Marie.
Except for her Social Link. It is completely irrelevant. I thought her being quirky (even her doing the LOTSOFWORDSFAST thing) and having the poems was fine, but the s-link was just so out there. I get that she had to create memories or whatever, but her meeting all of your friends felt really forced.
Like, go to the megami tensei wiki and read her story there: Marie's Profile (SPOILERS)
None of her Social Link establishes any of that. I mean, I know it's all in the bonus dungeon or whatever, but come on. If you envision a Vanilla Persona 4 with just that Marie (meaning, her story as described in the Wiki) augmenting it, I think that she's an amazing addition. It just doesn't really turn out like that in Golden, though.
Like, go to the megami tensei wiki and read her story there: Marie's Profile (SPOILERS)
None of her Social Link establishes any of that. I mean, I know it's all in the bonus dungeon or whatever, but come on. If you envision a Vanilla Persona 4 with just that Marie (meaning, her story as described in the Wiki) augmenting it, I think that she's an amazing addition. It just doesn't really turn out like that in Golden, though.
buddha0991
Member
Marie was...ok. Certianly the weakest member aside from
in anything P4 branded.
Mitsuo
I doubt you'll have reason to be disappointed.
CrazyTank940
Member
I like Marie, but
I wish they didn't shoehorn your friends in just about every opportunity they could. Maybe once or twice it's just you and her like other S. Links are, but just about every other damn time, at least one of your friends is like "OH HAI THAR MIND IF I JOIN IN". I understand that they need to be somewhat involved or else them going to the bonus dungeon would seem somewhat unjustified, but they didn't need to shove everyone in as many of the S. Link events as they did.
More Marie and general P4 spoilery stuff:
OK, that's enough of that for now.
After having played 999 and Virtue's Last Reward, Jungian psychology has been really interesting to me. Obviously, the Izanami/Izanagi stuff extends a bit beyond that stuff, but Marie's dungeon being overtly called the Hollow Forest was fucking cool. The concept of having a shared human consciousness is just super interesting to me. The game expanded on that heavily with Marie's ACTUAL story, which is part of why I like her so much.
I guess that's also why I was happy she was a part of the game. Because the whole TV being a representation of humanity's inner desires thing was my favorite part of the story in the vanilla game, and I felt it had too little representation during the presentation of the plot.
It's referenced very subtly in the beginning of the game, and then isn't touched again until the very end. I know that's a storytelling strategy, but IT'S MY FAVORITE PART and there's so little of it.
I'm really hoping P5 has more of it than P4 has, even counting P4G.
I guess that's also why I was happy she was a part of the game. Because the whole TV being a representation of humanity's inner desires thing was my favorite part of the story in the vanilla game, and I felt it had too little representation during the presentation of the plot.
It's referenced very subtly in the beginning of the game, and then isn't touched again until the very end. I know that's a storytelling strategy, but IT'S MY FAVORITE PART and there's so little of it.
I'm really hoping P5 has more of it than P4 has, even counting P4G.
OK, that's enough of that for now.
These are my thoughts exactly when it pertains to Marie.
When I first heard they were adding a whole new character, I was really excited. At first, this could mean obvious things: A new dungeon, a new party member, a new involved social link, new scenes with her, a LOT of things. This isn't what we got.
Ultimately, it was up to them to make us care about her. They failed. Badly. Her social links were absolutely nothing to them at all. I understand that given her "story" of amnesia, they couldn't go into her past or things like that, but there were NOTHING but "Let's have the old favorite characters see how they awkwardly interact with her!" and she tries to deal with her problem, and never goes anywhere.
Of course, it doesn't go anywhere cause the whole thing is under time lock to only take place/get resolution on the new SKI TRIP, WOOOO. Even doing this can be forgiveable, but they have to do their best to make us, or the other characters, care about her. Now, this is the scoobies and they'd never let an innocent get harmed, yes. But even my ability to suspend disbelief was shot about how quickly she was friends with everyone given how little she appeared. Would it have been truly hard for her to be more involved with the investigation itself? They shoe-horn her in on your arrival to Inaba, and then lock her in the Velvet Room the whole year?
And now let's go through her dungeon! The story of it was handled well, the game balance wasn't, at all. I don't know how everyone else played these games, but even on Expert originally, by the time Izanami's dungeon came around, I curb stomped the place, then her. You can over-level fairly easily. So what do they do? Let's add another dungeon just BEFORE this one, and then not maybe bump up the levels of the shadows in Izanami's? Really? They knew this was going to be a problem, so the solution? Come up with a half-assed dungeon design where you lose half your SP at the end of every battle! F-U-N.
I can understand people hating the idea of the robot characters in this series, and I'm not going to begrudge that. But if you think Marie was handled better than Labrys, when I can actually SEE WHAT SHE GOES THROUGH AS PART OF A PERSONA GAME, you're crazy.
Of course, it doesn't go anywhere cause the whole thing is under time lock to only take place/get resolution on the new SKI TRIP, WOOOO. Even doing this can be forgiveable, but they have to do their best to make us, or the other characters, care about her. Now, this is the scoobies and they'd never let an innocent get harmed, yes. But even my ability to suspend disbelief was shot about how quickly she was friends with everyone given how little she appeared. Would it have been truly hard for her to be more involved with the investigation itself? They shoe-horn her in on your arrival to Inaba, and then lock her in the Velvet Room the whole year?
And now let's go through her dungeon! The story of it was handled well, the game balance wasn't, at all. I don't know how everyone else played these games, but even on Expert originally, by the time Izanami's dungeon came around, I curb stomped the place, then her. You can over-level fairly easily. So what do they do? Let's add another dungeon just BEFORE this one, and then not maybe bump up the levels of the shadows in Izanami's? Really? They knew this was going to be a problem, so the solution? Come up with a half-assed dungeon design where you lose half your SP at the end of every battle! F-U-N.
I can understand people hating the idea of the robot characters in this series, and I'm not going to begrudge that. But if you think Marie was handled better than Labrys, when I can actually SEE WHAT SHE GOES THROUGH AS PART OF A PERSONA GAME, you're crazy.
Massive wall of black text = Elizabeth Megidolaon
Fucking hell, Nyx's health bar was completely black, so I thought I needed only one hit, and since only Junpei was alive in my party and was enraged, I decided to do a Megidola. I didn't kill the bitch and it processed to wipe me out with an almighty attack.
I almost threw the PS3 out of the window.
I almost threw the PS3 out of the window.
buddha0991
Member
This hurts my heart, lol.
Supermanisdead
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happened to me. still haven't beat him on my most recent playthrough. fuck it all.
SloaneRisette
Member
I didn't even play P4G but I don't like Marie.
buddha0991
Member
I NEED a game that ties up the
P2/
I NEED a game that ties up theP3/P4 connection set up by Arena. I don't want it to be in an Arena 2P2/
Unlucky.
When he was developing P4, Hashino said there's no link between P3 and P4 because he doesn't want people to come in halfway through the story.
buddha0991
Member
Doesn't have to be P5. Can be like a separate RPG named P:SO or some shit
So I was playing Maken, and I said to my brother (Completely baselessly) "You know, this is so good, I bet Katsura Hashino was a designer on it".
Check online, and yep, directed by Katsura Hashino. Further cements him as my favourite Japanese game designer. It's also made me think that if he directed a Raidou game it would be amazing.
So that's six games he's directed, all amazing. That's a pretty good track record.
Man, Persona 5 is going to be so good.
Check online, and yep, directed by Katsura Hashino. Further cements him as my favourite Japanese game designer. It's also made me think that if he directed a Raidou game it would be amazing.
So that's six games he's directed, all amazing. That's a pretty good track record.
Man, Persona 5 is going to be so good.
cj_iwakura
Member
It has multiple endings, fair warning. The true one is tricky to get, but it is SO worth it.
I promise you'll know if you've reached the true final battle.
I guarantee I've ballsed it up already, haha. I was just told that "I made bad decision".
It's aged wonderfully though. The combat is incredibly solid and fair for a game from '99.
we.are.the.armada
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Hey, sort of old, but did you guys hear about this psu.com claiming that:
Yeah, seems like a misleading, unsubstantiated allegation. Anyway, here's the whole thing:
psu.com said:
Yeah, seems like a misleading, unsubstantiated allegation. Anyway, here's the whole thing:
psu.com said:
ScraftyDevil
Banned
One game and now they traditionally skew towards Nintendo handheld platforms?
That article is a whole lotta "I bet this is gonna happen" and should be taken as seriously as a forum post.
We all know P5 is going portable anyways.
I think they meant to say the "more traditional" SMT games having resided on Nintendo handhelds for the past while, in which case they're correct. Devil Survivor 1, 2 and Overclocked, Soul Hackers, and Strange Journey have all been released in the past 3 years, and before that was the popluar Last Bible and Devil Kids games on GBC.
I still think the article is fanboy dreams (which I fully endorse, by the way), but Nintendo and SMT definitely have a history.
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