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[FluxWaveZ]

So Ive maybe put in an hour or two of Innocent Sin...this isnt all that dark. Its about as goofy as P4 was at this point. Secret agent restaurant owner? Steven Segal is Lisa's dad? Statues walking around and everyone being nonchalant about it. Eikichi cant stay serious for a second, Lisa always trying push his buttons and get lovey dovey with Tatsuya. The fat girl being Michel's ex was pretty lol.

I mean the darkest thing thats happened is those three kids losing their dreams and ambitions but eh, its not murder.

Still, its interesting I guess.

The tone of Innocent Sin is definitely more serious than P4, but like all of the Persona games except for P1, it has many silly moments to balance it all out. I'd say the ending is particularly what makes the game darker than P3 and P4. Fundamentally, though, I feel that IS, P3 and P4 are very similar when it comes to the overall mood.

Where that significantly changes is Eternal Punishment.

 

[Dantis]

Oh believe me, it gets darker.

Also, it's not obvious right away, but you do realize those three suffered a Fate Worse than Death, right?

It definitely has darker themes later on, and some somewhat depressing scenes, but I feel like it is sometimes exaggerated. I wouldn't even say that it's any darker than, say, Breath of Fire 4 on a purely scene to scene basis (Though I guess it may feel darker because of its more realistic setting and portrayal).

The tone of Innocent Sin is definitely more serious than P4, but like all of the Persona games except for P1, it has many silly moments to balance it all out. I'd say the ending is particularly what makes the game darker than P3 and P4. Fundamentally, though, I feel that IS, P3 and P4 are very similar when it comes to the overall mood.

Where that significantly changes is Eternal Punishment.

Does it really?

Maybe I'll buy EP today.

IT HAD BETTER BE WORTH IT, GAF.

 

[Sophia]

It definitely has darker themes later on, and some somewhat depressing scenes, but I feel like it is sometimes exaggerated. I wouldn't even say that it's any darker than, say, Breath of Fire 4 on a purely scene to scene basis (Though I guess it may feel darker because of its more realistic setting and portrayal).

No doubt people exaggerate it. I actually think Persona 3 and Eternal Punishment as a whole are darker, but the last part of IS is no slouch.

Eternal Punishment starts with murder and doesn't really let up all that much.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Also, it's not obvious right away, but you do realize those three suffered a Fate Worse than Death, right?

Nah, its pretty obvious. I guess Ive just seen this happen in other stuff before so many times, it always comes off as a PG punishment. Was pretty cheesy in Ni No Kuni too.

 

[Sophia]

Nah, its pretty obvious. I guess Ive just seen this happen in other stuff before so many times, it always comes off as a PG punishment. Was pretty cheesy in Ni No Kuni too.

Check them out later on in the game if you want to see what I mean...

 

[cj_iwakura]

It definitely has darker themes later on, and some somewhat depressing scenes, but I feel like it is sometimes exaggerated. I wouldn't even say that it's any darker than, say, Breath of Fire 4 on a purely scene to scene basis (Though I guess it may feel darker because of its more realistic setting and portrayal).



Does it really?

Maybe I'll buy EP today.

IT HAD BETTER BE WORTH IT, GAF.

It's worth it.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Does it really?

Maybe I'll buy EP today.

IT HAD BETTER BE WORTH IT, GAF.

Being the only Persona game with the main cast not composed of high school kids makes such a profound impact on how dialogue and the overall narrative is like compared to the other games.

 

[Taruranto]

I mean the darkest thing thats happened is those three kids losing their dreams and ambitions but eh, its not murder.

But it is. Murder, i mean.

Edit, actually, as Sophia said, it's even worse than murder, because they are pretty much wiped out of everyone memories.

 

[cj_iwakura]

Note to self: fighting the Riders in Raidou 2 king mode is suicide.

 

[buddha0991]

Spoiler

isn't it a popular theory that the people who turned into shadowmen in 2 are the shadows in 3/4?

 

[Taruranto]

Spoiler

isn't it a popular theory that the people who turned into shadowmen in 2 are the shadows in 3/4?

I don't think it makes much sense.

Spoiler

Shadowmen weren't in EP and Shadowmen end up literally disappearing after a certain time. (no body left)

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Spoiler

isn't it a popular theory that the people who turned into shadowmen in 2 are the shadows in 3/4?

Yeah, I'm not buying it.

Spoiler

Apathy Syndrome

seems to be a pretty clear reference to that, though.

 

[buddha0991]

Wasn't my theory but it's one I see around a bit

 

[TurnipFritters]

"dark" doesn't mean anything

 

[buddha0991]

"dark" doesn't mean anything

Reminds me when people describe games as "visceral"

 

[cjkeats]

"edgy"

 

[cj_iwakura]

"dark" doesn't mean anything

Sometimes it does 50% damage!

 

[TurnipFritters]

"edgy"

 

[TurnipFritters]

The way P3 deals with death is "edgy"

The way P4 deals with sexuality is "edgy"

The way P_ deals with _____ is "edgy"

 

[cj_iwakura]

The way P3 deals with death is "edgy"

The way P4 deals with sexuality is "edgy"

The way P_ deals with _____ is "edgy"

P2, pharmacies?

 

[we.are.the.armada]

Holy shit... this is perfect! Jintor, may the S. Link FM use this artwork?

 

[jello44]

Holy shit... this is perfect! Jintor, may the S. Link FM use this artwork?

Oh... he's alive.

 

[Dantis]

"dark" doesn't mean anything

Well, actually it does.

 

[buddha0991]

P2, pharmacies?

Satomi Tadashi himself man, the fan base destroyed him over TAMAKI of all characters!

 

[Venfayth]

i consider myself to be very edgy

just an edgy guy who only has edgy opinions

 

[SpaceBridge]

Slightly off topic but the last fight in DSoverclock is such a fucking cheat with all the MP stealing.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

Levito, something's come up that has caused me to be busy for all of next Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I know this is short-notice, but is it possible that we could record the next episode of S. Link FM early? I'm free most nights after 7:00 PM EST if you can swing it.

 

[TurnipFritters]

Well, actually it does.

nope

 

[Squire]

i consider myself to be very edgy

just an edgy guy who only has edgy opinions

What a rebel.

 

[buddha0991]

2edgy4me

 

[FluxWaveZ]

nope

I believe it does as well. It's not because a word or term is often used erroneously, very frequently or informally that it is devoid of meaning. From Merriam-Webster:

3. a : arising from or showing evil traits or desires : evil <the dark powers that lead to war>
b : dismal, gloomy <had a dark view of the future>
c : lacking knowledge or culture : unenlightened <a dark period in history>
d : relating to grim or depressing circumstances <dark humor>

When people say the first two Persona games were "dark", the bolded definitions are what they refer to. To an extent, it is all subjective and there are people who would argue that Persona 4 is just as dark as Persona 2, but I think it's wrong to say that it actually means nothing.

 

[Taruranto]

DEEP>Edgy

 

[Dantis]

I believe it does as well. It's not because a word or term is often used erroneously, very frequently or informally that it is devoid of meaning. From Merriam-Webster:



When people say the first two Persona games were "dark", the bolded definitions are what they refer to. To an extent, it is all subjective and there are people who would argue that Persona 4 is just as dark as Persona 2, but I think it's wrong to say that it actually means nothing.

Pretty sure he's just being obnoxious because it's a broad term. It absolutely has meaning though.

 

[TurnipFritters]

I believe it does as well. It's not because a word or term is often used erroneously, very frequently or informally that it is devoid of meaning. From Merriam-Webster:



When people say the first two Persona games were "dark", the bolded definitions are what they refer to. To an extent, it is all subjective and there are people who would argue that Persona 4 is just as dark as Persona 2, but I think it's wrong to say that it actually means nothing.

literally every jrpg would be considered dark by those definitions

 

[TurnipFritters]

basically when people refer to games as "dark" they mean "i am desperately trying to justify my love of children's entertainment"

 

[FluxWaveZ]

literally every jrpg would be considered dark by those definitions

I don't think so. If you're going with broad strokes, practically any story ever could be described as "dark"&#8212;which might be why usage of that word is not taken as importantly as it should because of people who use it for narratives that don't deserve it&#8212;but I think it is a word that can be aptly applied to certain stories, ones that actively try to evoke the mood that word refers to.

I also find it acceptable to use it in relative terms as a means of comparison such as saying one story is darker than another, which gives someone a point of reference as to what to expect in aforementioned story.

 

[TurnipFritters]

I don't think so. If you're going with broad strokes, practically any story ever could be described as "dark"&#8212;which might be why usage of that word is not taken as importantly as it should because of people who use it for narratives that don't deserve it&#8212;but I think it is a word that can be aptly applied to certain stories, ones that actively try to evoke the mood that word refers to.

for example: every jrpg ever

 

[buddha0991]

I like videogames

 

[TurnipFritters]

I like videogames

Same.

 

[Trigger]

I like videogames

Video games are awful.

 

[cjkeats]

Video games are fun. Sometimes.

 

[TurnipFritters]

dark souls is dark, but i'm hoping that dark souls 2's

Spoiler

torch mechanic

will make things lighter

 

[buddha0991]

dark souls is dark, but i'm hoping that dark souls 2's

Spoiler

torch mechanic

will make things lighter

Don't play Demon's Souls. 2dark4u.

 

[Dantis]

So I guess Best Buy don't do digital PSN cards any more.

My plan has been foiled.

 

[cj_iwakura]

So I guess Best Buy don't do digital PSN cards any more.

My plan has been foiled.

I could easily get you a US PSN code if you need one. Help me get an EU one and we'll call it even!

 

[TurnipFritters]

Don't play Demon's Souls. 2dark4u.

i've played mr. driller, i think i know a little something about dark games

 

[Taruranto]

Don't play Demon's Souls. 2dark4u.

How does something get darker than the Tomb of the Giants? You literally can't see shit.

 

[SpaceBridge]

PSA: anyone in Toronto want Soul Hackers early, Walmart Dufferin Mall is selling it.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

PSA: anyone in Toronto want Soul Hackers early, Walmart Dufferin Mall is selling it.

Urgh, I'm torn. Do I buy Soul Hackers now and have less money to spend at the convention, or do I hold off and buy it in the summer so I can have a Megami Tensei overload?

Decisions, decisions.

 

[SpaceBridge]

Urgh, I'm torn. Do I buy Soul Hackers now and have less money to spend at the convention, or do I hold off and buy it in the summer so I can have a Megami Tensei overload?

Decisions, decisions.

What if it's a limited print? You wanna pay double on Kijiji?