TurnipFritters
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let me tell you about this game called persona 4
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Persona Community Thread: The Butterfly Effect
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let me tell you about this game called persona 4
I'm not a fan of randomly generated dungeons but I actually don't mind the ones in the Persona games for some reason. Still, there's no excuse for them to not make normal dungeons in P5 when every other SMT game gets that treatment. They don't even have to be as complex as some of the other games.
It was random? I didn't even notice.
TurnipFritters
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each dungeon has like two floors that aren't random
oh yeah i probably should have posted this earlier for the americans
http://www.target.com/p/persona-4-arena-playstation-3/-/A-14061295
http://www.target.com/p/persona-4-arena-playstation-3/-/A-14061295
Did you never backtrack? That said, I can hardly blame someone for not wanting to complete those fetch quests.
In Persona 3 and 4 it will have been about managing resources. If they'd put time into designing 'proper' dungeons, it would have pulled resources away from other aspects of the game.
One thing Atlus excels at (SMT4 not withstanding) is making excellent use of what they have. Trauma Team is another excellent example of it.
I did, but apparently I wasn't paying much attention. lol, I'm clearly not suited to be a navigator if P-GAF ever goes dungeon crawling together.
I'm not really seeing what P3 and P4 have that would have been cut/minimized if they made proper dungeons.
Social Links? lol.
Again, they don't have to make very complicated dungeons like the ones in Nocturne or DDS for example, but they can do better than randomly generated dungeons.
Well, the dungeons are so nondescript in structure, that I can hardly blame someone for not really paying attention!
Personally, I think that the dungeons have a certain charm to them. I think that the themed interiors of Persona 4 went some way into combating the sheer blandness of those in 3. Though, I did appreciate the evolving musical motif as you progressed through the blocks of Tartarus.
If you're there: I can't message you on PSN right now, Rhapsody, and I saw your invite, but I can't join you quite yet, sorry.
Is this a joke? :/
It doesn't mean they'd have to literally cut out entire features, but it absolutely means that they'd have less time to spend developing them, which would lead to, at the very least, weaker implementations of those features.
EDIT: To expand on that a little: Games are made under extremely tight time budgets. Time is managed through milestones. You can't just say "Hey Bob, spend the next week designing dungeons, and then Ted will spend the next two weeks implementing them.". Those staff will already have jobs to do, and reassigning them other tasks means that they won't be able to get everything done.
Not to mention that these things take much, much longer than you would probably expect.
OK? P3 and P4 had cheap cutscenes and small towns. I feel like you're exaggerating the impact proper dungeons would have on everything else, especially when the vast majority of JRPGs have proper dungeons. Randomly generated dungeons is the only alternative?
Well, I think you're wrong. Designing 263 floors for Tartarus would be a colossal effort.
Yes, the cutscenes are cheap. This only serves to prove my point. They did what they could with what they had. They didn't make these lo-fi cutscenes and then sit around for two months doing nothing. The games you're referring to likely have much larger budgets and teams and don't have S Links and whatnot.
EDIT: This sounded more scathing than I probably intended. Sorry!
If they didn't have randomly generated dungeons they wouldn't need to make 263 unique floors. Actually I was thinking of making a lot less floors, but making them bigger and more complex. So you would still spend the same amount of time as you normally would on Tartarus but you're going through less floors.
Now, Tartarus is a huge tower and obviously a lot of floors are expected, but they could've just replicated what they did with the Tower of Kagustuchi in Nocturne. Very long dungeon and it goes up to 666 floors but you don't actually go up 666 unique floors.
Same deal with Persona 4. Instead of having like 8-11 floor dungeons or whatever, they could make 3-5 floors but design them better.
I don't think that the game was benefited by making the dungeons randomly-generated . If anything, sometimes it was annoying... well, maybe except for times where you wanted to get to the next floor faster and the RNG blessed you by having the stairs near.
I also hope that for the next Persona games, we get better designed dungeons. I'm not complaining if we get the same type of dungeons as P3 and P4, but it would be something nice to have, and it may draw new players to the series, too.
I also hope that for the next Persona games, we get better designed dungeons. I'm not complaining if we get the same type of dungeons as P3 and P4, but it would be something nice to have, and it may draw new players to the series, too.
P3 had preset "dungeons" on each full moon boss, right? So hopefully at best they'll have some scattered throughout P5 (but with more effort) if they want to keep some randomly generated dungeons. I have to admit that I didn't find the random dungeons in P4 too bad, but I still pretty much wanted to 1 day a dungeon ASAP just so I can do other stuff.
cj_iwakura
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The Growlanser Art Works book is amazing.
Udon outdid themselves in bringing this one over. Yahweh bless them.
Udon outdid themselves in bringing this one over. Yahweh bless them.
Growlanser has such a weird art style. It's very... shiny?
I was thinking about getting the Fire Emblem Awakening art book, but I can't decide if I like it enough to import, and the last time I imported an art book it got translated (Hyrule Historia). Then again Trauma Team, Radiant Historia and Catherine never got translated, so I guess it could go either way.
I haven't played any of that series, but it seems like the art direction is pretty nice.
I want to get the FE:A artbook. My worry is if most of the art is something like character portraits/CGs.
If it has lots of promo art, I'd probably get it. Although iirc, the book is somewhat expensive.
http://operationrainfall.com/review-fire-emblem-knights-of-iris/
Looking at this, it looks rather good.
As far as price goes, check CDJapan. Pretty darn reasonable.
cj_iwakura
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Makes me sad. Best SRPG series no one plays.
I was reluctant to buy this, but I'm so glad I did.
Love or hate his style, Urushihara is certainly distinct.
My favorite illustration so far:
IHaveCandy
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I don't mind if Persona 5 dungeons are randomly generated. They should be more thn just mini-maze halls though.
cj_iwakura
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Sadly, it's what he's most known for. I vastly prefer his Langrisser/Growlanser art.
Wow, the price and shots seem pretty tempting. Might have to consider importing this then...
So Would I Lie To You is a panel show in the UK where the contestants (Comedians and British actors, generally) have to tell a story and the other contestants have to tell if they're lying. It occurs to me that most of you non-UKers will not be aware of this show, so I am going to share it with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkXxmMUIx8k
I genuinely think it has to be the funniest panel show that I've ever seen.
EDIT: I love this show.
Seeing as CJ posted that, I feel we need more Kozaki in here.
Seriously great art.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkXxmMUIx8k
I genuinely think it has to be the funniest panel show that I've ever seen.
EDIT: I love this show.
Seeing as CJ posted that, I feel we need more Kozaki in here.
Seriously great art.
Ironically, i think his male characters are much better, his females tend often to look a little too similar.
http://i.imgur.com/HbdyJPB.png
http://i.imgur.com/NOggmaK.png
http://i.imgur.com/Qyo47LB.png
But he ruined FE art.
cj_iwakura
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Agreed. But every so often, Urushihara manages to design a Lady.
Wait, he did FE art?...
Front Innocent is good stuff though. aint nothin sadly about it
cj_iwakura
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Yes there is, I'm not into that stuff.
Nah. He means Kozaki ruined the Fire Emblem art.
What he really means is that he improved it.
u have a porn game avatar
cj_iwakura
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I have a visual novel avatar. Last I checked F/SN wasn't focused on the adult content, it was even removed from later iterations.
Looks improved to me.
cj_iwakura
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Yeah, I am no fan of the new Fire Emblem art. Radiant Dawn/Path of Radiance was the pinnacle.
TurnipFritters
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oh boy a whole page about personagaf's taste in cartoon porn
dont judge
you have a pretty bad eye for aesthetics
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