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Persona Community Thread: The Butterfly Effect
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Absolutely not, but I deeply respect the franchise.
I bet the tonal shift there is like mindblowing, haha.
With regards to your post in the OT: Winter was amazing. Oh my god.
I'm doing Spring tomorrow night.
Winter is my favourite part of the game.
I still can't get over how good the game is. In terms of... pretty much everything... it's head and shoulders above just about anything I can think of.
The writing and acting in particular are outrageously strong.
Yeah, I think it's everything they said it would be. That alone is incredibly rare. The writing and the acting are superb. They don't need that "for a video game" qualifier.
I can't wait to finish it, but it's already placed itself pretty firmly amongst the best games I've played. I actually think it does a lot of things BioShock: Infinite did (or tried to do) significantly better.
Yep. I also think the world is better realized and the relationship between both main characters progresses more naturally and is more believable.
Edit: And Troy Baker is so much better as Joel than Booker. The guy just transforms.
Do it, Jintor. It's so well worth it.
Can't say I agree, Elizabeth felt like an actual progression of the concept of an companion character, and the AI behind her was pretty fantastic. She'd toss you ammo and health packs, open tears, always stayed close by, never got in the way, fended for herself, pointed out items in the environment you might've missed, etc etc. There was even little touches like if you aimed down sight at her, she'd jump out of the way and call you on it IE: "Booker, be careful". She finally felt like a successor to Alyx in Half-life 2.
Ellie I find most of the time only helps break the immersion in TLOU. During stealth sections the AI completely ignores her, there was one instance were she walked into a human enemy for me several times and he didn't react to her. On another occasion too I was in an area full of Clickers and she bolted past me, spoke without lowering her voice, and bumped into a Clicker several times, they both tried to walk around eachother and it actually made me laugh out loud.
I get that that Naughty Dog made her unable to alert the enemy AI because then players would hate her just like any other escort mission, though it feels like a cheat and
Ellie sometimes helps you by throwing a brick or stabbing a guy off you, but I've only had those instances happen a couple times. Most of the time is doesn't matter either because the game is so easy and death has no consequence, the most you lose it maybe like a minute of progress. Kills all the tension for me and can make it boring at times.
As for which you prefer as a character, that's purely subjective. I much prefer Elizabeth and the story in Bioshock Infinite as a whole, but to each his own. Personally I don't know why these games are compared outside of metacritic ratings and Troy Baker jokes. It's another bad habit of gamer culture to have to proclaim "X is better than Y" when 2 products aren't even the same genre.
I did just get to winter though, and it's gotten a lot better. I do like the game for the record, it's great. Just think it's far from a masterpiece or medium advancing.
Man there's been a lot of great games this year, except no Persona 5. <---Post now on topic.
Incredibly strongly disagree.
Elizabeth, to me, was kind of a bad joke. The health and mana packs she throws you was a symptom of not being able to carry medpacks/syringes around with you like you could in the first Bioshock. The tear thing, while neat, requires you to press a button for her to do so. So, why is she NEEDED to do it? I understand the story reasons, but there could have been a story reason why you could suddenly do it too or something. There's no AI behind the action, so you can't really count it. Her never getting in the way is the same thing with Ellie, really, in terms of not breaking stealth. Sometimes you need to let things go like that or it just breaks the game.
That being said, not very far in LoU, so can't comment too much on that yet, just that my niece is roughly the same age and(beginning spoilers)
the game did a very good job of making me tear up very early, jerk game.
Yeah they altered the mechanics of the first game for the sake of the narrtive and making Liz feel important during gameplay, she picks those items up for you while in combat. Things like that add up and make her a valuable part of the experience. Right when you're in the thick of it Liz is right there with you. During intense combat in TLOU I only remember Ellie is there when she gets attacked and the little health monitor pops up.
They tied is into the narrative and while yes you tell her to do it, you can only do so with her around. So it feels like a something central to the character.
My point is Elizabeth and Booker feel like an actual team, and they tied it in with the actual mechanics of the game. Ellie just feels like a standard AI companion, she's not annoying or anything but you could remove her from gameplay entirely and the experience would be basically the exact same.
That just sounds like a excuse, Joel tells everyone to be quiet and Ellie's off dancing with a Clicker.
The partner dynamic is central to the story of TLOU, so you'd figured it be a massive step up in AI progression from Uncharted. When really it's basically on the same level as the partner AI in Uncharted.
PERSONA IS AN ENJOYABLE THING.
buddha0991
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Not if there is a revelations, 2, 3 or 4 in the name.
The only good Persona game is Mass Effect
The only good Persona game is Mass Effect
ScraftyDevil
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Bah I'm so torn between buying TLoU and not having any spending money for a bit or buying Animal Crossing and having cash to spare.
Help me out, PersonaGAF!
Help me out, PersonaGAF!
Hey, there was social linking in that game!
Just because you can only do it with her around doesn't justify her existence as a character though. If you don't want to go with Tears(which again are 100% player controlled, not AI controlled), go with lockpicking. The game is the first game ever it seems where the protag can't pick a lock via mini-game, so you need her with you to do it. Does that make her amazing, ala Alyx? I strongly disagree.
To me, a good companion in these games helps, but doesn't get in the way. Elizabeth doesn't get in the way, but she doesn't really help either. If you could carry medpacks, the benefit in combat would be a wash, moreso if Booker could open portals himself cause story reasons. I know why she's with you though, and it's needed for the story more than anything, and that's fine, but that doesn't make her a marvel of AI.
A team, that's interesting though I guess. Elizabeth I don't like at as more really than the girl from Ico, but I can see it. The banter between them is neat, but not much different than Halo with Cortana(or Rise in persona OMG ON TOPIC). Alyx at least had a presence in those games.
The Last Of Us is certainly a game you should experience, it's going to be talked about for many years to come. Most people adore it so you probably will too, I think it's great but many of the gameplay mechanics are not very well implemented or thought out.
As I've said before, this game would benefit greatly from a traditional save point system. There would be actual tension if when you died you'd go back to your last save, death and failure wouldn't be trivialized. Guess it's like that though because of modern game design, most people hate being punished.
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Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on every point, Meia. The entire story of Infinite revolves around Liz, and the experience is greatly elevated when she's around, she helps you at every turn.
Alyx was more revolutionary for her time than anything, she contributes very little to the gameplay. It's more indicative of the fact that most developers don't even try to improve upon what Valve built that still makes her one of the best. haha
As I've said before, this game would benefit greatly from a traditional save point system. There would be actual tension if when you died you'd go back to your last save, death and failure wouldn't be trivialized. Guess it's like that though because of modern game design, most people hate being punished.
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Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on every point, Meia. The entire story of Infinite revolves around Liz, and the experience is greatly elevated when she's around, she helps you at every turn.
Alyx was more revolutionary for her time than anything, she contributes very little to the gameplay. It's more indicative of the fact that most developers don't even try to improve upon what Valve built that still makes her one of the best. haha
buddha0991
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Animal Crossing will last you hundreds of hours longer than the last of us.
Devil Survivor 2 confirmed for best Persona
buddha0991
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Hey now, I'm no jerk, if anything, I'm a peacekeeper! I do like to be sarcastic though! I also resent the thought of me saying I am superior than any of you, couldn't be further from the truth, I am just a humble person with a sort of sarcastic sense of humor!
I'll accept those accusations though if I can be like this guy:
In the end, what kind of gameplay experience are you looking for? Animal Crossing: New Leaf is one of the most calm and relaxing games in a long, long time. A perfect description of the game a friend gave me was that it was a "comfy" game. The Last of Us, on the other hand, is one of the most intense single player games in a while.
I'll accept those accusations though if I can be like this guy:
In the end, what kind of gameplay experience are you looking for? Animal Crossing: New Leaf is one of the most calm and relaxing games in a long, long time. A perfect description of the game a friend gave me was that it was a "comfy" game. The Last of Us, on the other hand, is one of the most intense single player games in a while.
ScraftyDevil
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I just want a good game. I played and loved Wild World, but I also love the zombie genre and Uncharted 2. The only PS3 I have and can afford right now is a 60GB phat though, so I'm wary of playing TLoU if it has the possibility to brick my console :S
TurnipFritters
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playing project x zone instead of the last of us is like the saddest thing i've heard
animal crossing is something you're in for the long haul so it might better to get it now, while everyone else and their mother is playing it, instead of waiting until everybody's moved on.
alternately, sell a kidney and get both.
ScraftyDevil
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I already did that once though
Here's my suggestion if you're tight on cash Scrafty: Animal Crossing is cheaper right? Go for it, and get TLOU game of the year edition with all the DLC next year.
I'll probably end up buying whatever one I don't get now by the end of July, but I want both now for different reasons
(AC to play with my friends and TLoU to avoid spoilers and try out the multiplayer before everyone abandons it)AC is cheaper, and Gamestop has a promo where you get 30% extra credit towards buying it, so you could, in theory, knock it even cheaper. Don't make the mistake I did though, buy digital first probably. Just the type of game you always want on a system.
Also if you wait on TLoU, if history shows by the end of July you'll find it someplace for less than retail new anyway.
Also if you wait on TLoU, if history shows by the end of July you'll find it someplace for less than retail new anyway.
ScraftyDevil
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I'm no neophyte to the zombie genre, so I could probably tell you right now how it ends ;P
It's just the main story beats and such that I don't want spoiled. I managed to avoid Virtue's Last Reward spoilers for 3 months until I bought it, so this shouldn't be too too much harder, right?
TurnipFritters
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but what does it mean
and that is great for me, because I suck so bad at shooters. I also suck at stealth, but much less so.
^Might want to spoiler tag locations and suchlike.
It's not tacked on like Uncharted 3, but it's really sloppy, most of the enemies are Hawkeye. Hahaha
Not that it matters, once you're spotted, even Clickers are really easy to take out. Still on my first playthrough and I chose hard to amplify the 'survival' aspect, still too many resources, maybe survival + on hard is the way to go to make things more interesting. Though that still keeps the rampant autosaving. >.<
It's not tacked on like Uncharted 3, but it's really sloppy, most of the enemies are Hawkeye. Hahaha
Not that it matters, once you're spotted, even Clickers are really easy to take out. Still on my first playthrough and I chose hard to amplify the 'survival' aspect, still too many resources, maybe survival + on hard is the way to go to make things more interesting. Though that still keeps the rampant autosaving. >.<
The AI is really bizarre. There were two runners side by side, and I snuck up and choked one out. Now you'd think your partner would choke the other one out, but nope. Not that it matters, since I didn't even alert the runner that was standing right next to the one I strangled.
ShmeebAlina
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When they said they were gonna make P5 different, I didn't think they'd make it a zombie shooter.
TurnipFritters
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it's just like the world of the last of us
the zombies are people who have been overcome by their shadows. it's kind of annoying that you're like a third of the way through the game before the little girl reveals that she's an anti-shadow war robot with like a hundred guns and cannons and lazers and shit, but it's also annoying because she trivializes all combat from that point on
Usually very anal when it comes to marking spoilers, didn't think the type of location would be a spoiler, but I'll be more careful in the future.
I don't get the AI really either. They say strangling makes some noise, but I can do it to enemies side by side and be fine. Guessing that's a higher difficulty thing maybe.
Hell, just sneaking by is also viable from what I've seen, and that's very different than normal Uncharted antics.
I don't get the AI really either. They say strangling makes some noise, but I can do it to enemies side by side and be fine. Guessing that's a higher difficulty thing maybe.
Hell, just sneaking by is also viable from what I've seen, and that's very different than normal Uncharted antics.
I got TLOU from Gamefly a week ago. I think people are overplaying its greatness. Don't get me wrong, I am quite liking the game, but it's no 10/10 (Game of the Forever). Right now, it'll probably crack my top 5 list for this year. But I actually enjoyed my time with Bioshock Infinite more.
Though, I'll give TLOU best intro of a game this year, and perhaps winter will prove to be superior to summer.
I just got Animal Crossing from a Gaffer. I just started it, but it brings back some good ass memories of my time with the GC version.
I started late last night, but I couldn't continue because Tom Nook's store was closed. :-(
Because I saw an Animal Crossing post right before I saw this, I assumed you meant Animal Crossing rather than TLOU. I was like 'But Dantis hates happiness and carefree games!'
Also this is relevant to our discussion:
Though, I'll give TLOU best intro of a game this year, and perhaps winter will prove to be superior to summer.
I just got Animal Crossing from a Gaffer. I just started it, but it brings back some good ass memories of my time with the GC version.
I started late last night, but I couldn't continue because Tom Nook's store was closed. :-(
Because I saw an Animal Crossing post right before I saw this, I assumed you meant Animal Crossing rather than TLOU. I was like 'But Dantis hates happiness and carefree games!'
Also this is relevant to our discussion:
I probably won't even remember that location by the time I actually play the game.
But it's all worth it for the scene where the boys accidentally step in on the girls when they're bathing in the hot spring.
But it's all worth it for the scene where the boys accidentally step in on the girls when they're bathing in the hot spring.
Also this is relevant to our discussion:
Hahaha. It's completely true, too. So immersion breaking. On the other hand, I wouldn't want the braindead AI giving away my location all the time.
I don't get the AI really either. They say strangling makes some noise, but I can do it to enemies side by side and be fine. Guessing that's a higher difficulty thing maybe.
Hell, just sneaking by is also viable from what I've seen, and that's very different than normal Uncharted antics.
I hate when Joel decides to throw them down and stomp on their face when I strangle them from stealth. I'm not pressing the analogue stick in any direction. Maybe I've entered combat mode or something, even though the enemies weren't on alert. I don't know.
Either way, the head stomping alerts all the enemies at that point.
i'm at the heaven's boss in p4 and i'm somewhere around lvl 54-55. The boss can one shot my whole party during the second phase...
The story is so good that I realllllly want to finish this game, but grinding is what drives me away from pretty much every JRPG I play. The difference with P4G is that I keep coming back after a couple of week/month break... had the game since launch, gave up and came back everytime I had to grind for a boss
so my question is : how far am I from the end of the story?
The story is so good that I realllllly want to finish this game, but grinding is what drives me away from pretty much every JRPG I play. The difference with P4G is that I keep coming back after a couple of week/month break... had the game since launch, gave up and came back everytime I had to grind for a boss
so my question is : how far am I from the end of the story?
TurnipFritters
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something something something stealth
is this the boss that puts on that buff that greatly amplifies his elemental attack?
He's a pain, so you need to cover all your elemental resistances and be sure you have a Persona to nullify every element. When he buffs up, make sure you're full health and just guard until he attacks, then you'll know which Persona to switch to and protect yourself. Then buff yourself up and kick his ass.
You're getting near the end now.
well, he changes the element to a random one every couple of turn, how am I supposed to know which persona to use?
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