Ok why do you want people to like this guy so much? Why must we accept his apology just because he gave one on that other topic? Why do you think just because he was sincere and attempting to be positive means what he said should not be scrutinized or that his thoughts somehow cannot be misogynistic? That's not how that works at all. There are a lot of shitty people with good intentions in their minds, but that say sexist things. By the way I watched the video and my opinion hasn't changed. He thinks women should stop complaining when it comes down to it, he thinks them complaining about their condition is the opposite of "strong" he said as much. He's an out of touch wealthy man telling women how it is. He shouldn't.
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PewDiePie defends Polish politician who believes women are less intelligent than men
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Ok why do you want people to like this guy so much? Why must we accept his apology just because he gave one on that other topic? Why do you think just because he was sincere and attempting to be positive means what he said should not be scrutinized or that his thoughts somehow cannot be misogynistic? That's not how that works at all. There are a lot of shitty people with good intentions in their minds, but that say sexist things. By the way I watched the video and my opinion hasn't changed. He thinks women should stop complaining when it comes down to it, he thinks them complaining about their condition is the opposite of "strong" he said as much. He's an out of touch wealthy man telling women how it is. He shouldn't.
Psychoward
Banned
How is that gaf post going to convince 56 million people that pdp is wrong exactly?
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JeremyEtcetera
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No, he doesn't. He uses sarcasm and then tells women to not let guys like this politician influence their future and that they are better/stronger than him.
Also, he has apologized for past remarks, however they weren't accepted by people. That doesn't automatically invalidate the fact that he did apologize. So, like I said last time we had a thread on him, how/in what way should he apologize so that it's actually accepted?
I don't care if you love him or hate him, I just want people to stop contradicting themselves and also stop spinning positive messages into negative ones. You ask the man for an apology last time. He gave one, everyone here deems it as not good enough. When I ask 'so what can be good enough' some people here say he should cancel his accounts, end himself, or more(which are all unreasonable or simply unrealistic). Also, if we are at a point where we are scrutinizing a guy attempting to be positive, don't you see the issue in that? I am acknowledging your points, but are you looking at things from another perspective yourself?
shawnbuddy
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Soon Pewdiepie will come out in full Nazi regalia and start talking, in a very serious voice with sincere facial expressions, about why we should exterminate the Jews, bros, and encourage his young fans to attack their minority classmates and the elderly with improvised weapons.
And he'll still have a defense force.
And he'll still have a defense force.
benicillin
Banned
The video only got 3 million views and less than 300k likes, so I think bandying about his subscriber number when I know people IRL who are subscribed to PDP and don't give a crap about his videos when he isn't playing a dumb game is kinda silly IMO.
I was subscribed to H3H3 long after I stopped watching, for example.
I don't really have a response at the moment, but I just want to acknowledge your post.
Psychoward
Banned
I mean no he really didn't. But to start he could apologize for any of this;
Including but not limited to: flirting with a neo-nazi, posting bs about cnn, defending trump, using retarded as a slur, retweeting a sexist harassing shitbag who made fun of sjws. I don't know, where's his apologies for any of that in the last few days?
How about thousands of gaf posts, that each has hundreds or maybe thousands of views?
Apologies do not have to be accepted. Let me ask you. If I walked up and slapped you in the face, but then I apologized, and I was really sincere about it. Would you accept it? Why would you? Maybe I just wanted to slap you in the face and get away with it.
Apologizing does not absolve people of anything. You know why most people apologize right? Not because they are sorry, they are sorry though about the consequences they face. And guess what, a person like PewDiePie that spends his career in front of a camera is really good at coming across as sincere when he maybe isn't. And judging by the fact that here we are again in another controversy, I feel confident he wasn't sincere. No doubt he'll issue another apology at some point that you'll expect people to accept.
hammysaurusrex
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No, but the fact that he hasn't changed at all invalidates the apology.
Regardless, I don't have to "accept" an apology for someone being a neo-Nazi. That is too reprehensible for mere words to fix. A turnabout requires action at that point.
ClosingADoor
Member
Are you talking here about the "apology" in which he still blamed The Wall Street Journal for his own idiotic actions? No, that was not an apology and should not be accepted. He literally threw up his middle finger in his apology. And since then he has continued with this stuff.
Please link me to his apology that you are talking about.
as if using wrong statistics makes this any better at all.
in fact, it makes it worse.
jack_package_200
Banned
Yep. It wasn't an apology. Dumb shit doubled down.
Rather this:
A: *bigotry*
B: ...
c: Fuck A and fuck all captial letters. All capital letters suck and should die
B: I agree A sucks ass but come on
c: Lol #notallcapitalletters huh
B: Thats not why that hashtag was startes being used by the left. It's a way to say the focus of the debate should not be moved over to men, it's not a catch-it-all term to be used as an excuse to always blame everyone even similar to a certain group or individual.
c: *memes*
shawnbuddy
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I think Pewdiepie just primes kids to vote for people like Trump.
He's got a cult of personality and celebrity.
He says awful right wing things.
Whenever he's called on those things, it's never his fault. It's the media, which is unfair and out to get him, that's at fault.
He's "Trump 4 Kids!"
He's got a cult of personality and celebrity.
He says awful right wing things.
Whenever he's called on those things, it's never his fault. It's the media, which is unfair and out to get him, that's at fault.
He's "Trump 4 Kids!"
Lionel Richie
Member
I agree. Some people are missing the point here and it feeds into what the "other side" is selling. Self-reflection shouldn't be that hard.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
This hasn't been said anywhere near enough anywhere for your post to be valid.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
He flat out says that he doesn't know if women are dumber than men as if there's still more research to be done. He flat out says that it might be true.
I dont agree. And to be fair, since my point was about -me- feeling alienated, my opinion matters a lot here right?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Name examples then.
Ok fine. People can certainly be hypocritical and if they were, then you have a point regarding them, but not this topic I don't think, unless it's the same posters as before.
But again you seem to refuse to acknowledge that just because somebody has good intentions does not mean their message has to be a positive or harmless one. I really don't care if PDP was trying to be positive here if his message was shit. It also doesn't matter if he was sincere. I can really be sincere if I say women are inferior to men and tell women just to stay at home in the kitchen where they will be safe and provided for, and my intentions can honestly be that I think that is what's best for them.
I know that's an extreme but it's to the point. Pat PDP on the back if you think you need to, but he's wrong when he says women and not less privileged.
First off I havent got time for that, got 2 kids running around here. Second, why do I have to do that for you, do I owe you or something? My post was a reply to one post like that (of course I exagerated and joked a bit, exactly like the post I qouted). Thirdly, my opinion was about how -I- feel like that. And I know a lot of people feel the same (many feel it much more than me). If I feel it is like that, then I feel it is like that. And that feeling i what it's all about. If you feel you and people with similar opinions dont post in such a way, well darn then there's nothing to be done, cause I still feel like thats the case, over and over.
RandomHopeInc
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This just goes to show the fragility of understanding within a friendship group, friends are willing to understand each other, while outsiders pick and choose in order to be offended. There's no love there, only opportunistic rage.
YouTube audiences are really just larger versions of a close knit group.
YouTube audiences are really just larger versions of a close knit group.
AlimNassor
Banned
PDP is a neo-nazi. I know he probably dresses up as a Nazi and has plenty of Nazi memorabilia. Why are people defending this man? You are just as bad as him by defending him.
If you aren't interested in discussion, but rather asserting your feelings as objective reality and then refusing to discuss them, please exit the thread.
BrutishMrFish
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And some people are willing to bend over backwards to make excuses for the racist, sexist, or otherwise stupid shit their friends say.
Well my feelings are obviously my feelings, those aren't up for debate. I'd love a discussion about how the feelings (even strong ones) about a video like this can be expressed in a better way. That sounds like a discussion worth having, no?
hydrophilic attack
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If PDP was sincere in his apology for the nazi stuff, why did he start selling t-shirts where he mimics Hitler in June?
First they came for the loli vidya games, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a pedophile.
Then they came for the youtube gamers, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a youtuber.
Then they tried to stop alt-righters from speaking at universities, and I did not speak out
Because I was afraid of being ostracized by society just for nobly defending free speech
Then they came to kill all menand there was no one left to speak for me D:
First they came for the loli vidya games, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a pedophile.
Then they came for the youtube gamers, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a youtuber.
Then they tried to stop alt-righters from speaking at universities, and I did not speak out
Because I was afraid of being ostracized by society just for nobly defending free speech
Then they came to kill all menand there was no one left to speak for me D:
That is not a bad reply. You have a very good point. I did speak up though, but point still holds.If PDP was sincere in his apology for the nazi stuff, why did he start selling t-shirts where he mimics Hitler in June?
First they came for the loli vidya games, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a pedophile.
Then they came for the youtube gamers, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a youtuber.
Then they tried to stop alt-righters from speaking at universities, and I did not speak out
Because I was afraid of being ostracized by society just for nobly defending free speech
Then they came to kill all menand there was no one left to speak for me D:
Still though, whats the goal? Even if you aren't morally off, why use a language that alienates instead of gets people to agree? Isn't the goal to get things to be better? And I know shitbags like ppd dont do that, but you're much better than ppd of course.
You think writing that takes even remotely the same time as digging up posts by going through threads?
hydrophilic attack
Member
I don't really think that is so common though. Even someone as hated by the alt-right as Anita Sarkeesian goes out of her way to use diplomatic language ("you can criticize something even if you love it") yet she is still hated.
Furthermore, a lot of people on the alt-right (and even American traditional right) are not arguing in good faith. At some point, they are no longer worth the time to be taken seriously. Certain behaviours and arguments are only worthy of disdain
Don't get what? Me and many others have put a lot of effort into our posts the lasts few pages explaining our viewpoint.
Well, the guy got banned but I don't understand this argument.
How difficult is it to scroll through quickly and quote someone if offensive individuals are that common? And if such posters are in a minority which is only case where excavating the appropriate proof will be a chore, I'd contend using it to attack entire PDP detractors here are misguided.
When I think someone's an asshole, I might paraphrase their points to emphasize what I think is horrible about them. I don't state points in support of some other asshole without any irony.
Like, I don't even know how that's supposed to work as an attack. It would be like if I invited Milo to a debate, then dropped my pants, laid on my back on the table, pulled my penis towards me, and then pissed all over myself. Milo might be vicariously humiliated, but this is the most obtuse and inefficient way of taking the piss out of him.
ClosingADoor
Member
I didn't see this one before. Dude is really going off the deep end, isn't he.If PDP was sincere in his apology for the nazi stuff, why did he start selling t-shirts where he mimics Hitler in June?
And this is one of the reasons why stuff like "Hitler did nothing wrong" is now seen as a "meme" or whatever they call it. Good influence on the kids right here.
But of course he is a nice guy. I mean, he talks like a black man so he can't be racist or something. This is his featured post on twitter right now.
So the argument here is: two guys are assholes. Let's defend one!
Why...? Why does he feel the need to defend this person in the first place.
This is the problem right here.
You're assuming that a person lacking privilege is a person demonstrably being inferior to another who has privilege. For what reason I have no idea, other than either A.) a really grave misunderstanding of what privilege actually is, or B.) a deliberate interpretation of the struggles associated with being a minority as them having an "inferior" experience to people who don't share minority status in that particular area which, I mean, yeah, it sucks being a woman compared to a man in most macro and micro-societal instances, but this isn't the most charitable reading of that life experience, at all.
Regardless, it is foolhardy to tell minorities that they should expect the same exact social and cultural reinforcement as people who don't hold minority status in a particular area; specifically in this case, it would be foolhardy to pretend like women should be told to practically expect equal pay for equal work because acting like reality isn't what it is somehow means they're not "being strong" and are thus "inferior." Women aren't inferior to men, but they regularly are treated as such, which are two different things.
Lionel Richie
Member
Friend this is his first post in this thread, isn't it possible he doesn't get why PDP would do this? lol
Unless you're saying the police are your people, I think there was a miscommunication. My post wasn't about PewDiePie.
Honestly, it's really sad how he's incapable of letting it go. He's been in meltdown mode ever since the WSJ article dropped.
I give it only a year before PewDiePie is found in the park, naked, fighting a swan.
benicillin
Banned
It's part of the YouTuber circle of life.
metalslimer
Member
No one can really give a satisfactory answer ever as to why they feel compelled to defend this guy over and over.
If you don't defend PewDiePie then the evil SJW's will win... something.
Dirtyshubb
Member
I just don't understand what his end game is with this picture.I didn't see this one before. Dude is really going off the deep end, isn't he.
And this is one of the reasons why stuff like "Hitler did nothing wrong" is now seen as a "meme" or whatever they call it. Good influence on the kids right here.
But of course he is a nice guy. I mean, he talks like a black man so he can't be racist or something. This is his featured post on twitter right now.
So the argument here is: two guys are assholes. Let's defend one!
Why...? Why does he feel the need to defend this person in the first place.
He has an outspoken dislike of over-pc culture so he posts that?
At face value it's ridiculous and stupid as a defence and it's more likely to wind people up but for what reason?
'that will show those intolerant left, me posting a disingenuous image using transparent attempts to protect myself from accusations of racism'
Its like a gay person in denial who is trying to prove they are straight by having sex with someone of the same sex.
I've read your posts in this thread and it just seems like you're struggling (or refusing) to understand the significance of:
If he made this, he's not trying to achieve anything. He's referencing or ripping off an old joke image.
(For the sake of completeness: I'm pretty sure the last two lines were added later, there a bunch of versions of this.)
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