reinking
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From your lips to Phil's ears.
Phil Spencer confirms Overwatch, Diablo and Call Of Duty are headed to Game Pass
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
They keep gaining the money from the games they sell on playstation, and bring the better deal to game pass.
You can pay 70 and complete the game in a weekend, or pay 70 euro and get GP for 7 months at least with a lot of other games as well.
They have a contract in place and MS said it would honor all existing contract, said contract might not allow mw2 in gp for a few years
MS owns the studio behind deadloop, and yet its only on ps5 right now, not xbox, due to a existing contract. Heck, deathloop is coming to sonys extra sub before gamepass lol
So i dont see mw2 being on gp soon, would love to be wrong
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Hari Seldon
Member
I wonder if they are going to do something with WoW on gamepass, maybe a discount on the sub fee or something?
Negotiator101
Member
That's an exclusive deal, this is a marketing deal has nothing to do with GP, all COD will be on GP Phil literally just said it.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I can't imagine CoD players not jumping over to Xbox.
Buying the game for $70 on PlayStation versus having it on Game Pass is a good enough reason. If Microsoft needs to twist the knife they certainly can, through timed exclusive new content and full exclusive cross over stuff with their other ip.
A Doom themed map pack would be pretty cool.
sainraja
Member
So, they wanted to keep Starfield exclusive. With COD, they might actually be sincere in saying that COD will remain on all platforms etc etc.
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Like with all things, im keeping expectations in check to not be dissapointed, if it happens, awesome, i would love to get mw2 as soon as deal closes, but not holding my breath
Lucifers Beard
Member
I doubt that MS will care too much since they'll be making money from the game regardless. I imagine that all marketing for Call of Duty after the deal has gone through will contain Xbox logos and the 'play with game pass' and everything else that comes with it.
A lot of casual gamers will probably just buy an Xbox because they'll believe that's where the game will play best through marketing (even though we all know that it's PC!
).
Negotiator101
Member
Well unless Sony had explicitly stated with the Activision deal that COD couldn't go to GP (Which I doubt given they had no idea Microsoft would acquire Activision) it should just be a formality as long as the deal goes through.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I've seen the scraps PlayStation users are all excited about. Game Pass sloppy seconds and games given away for free on PC.
Plus users shouldn't be talking smack at all. If that was a paid service on PC, we'd be groaning about how shit it is.
MikeM
Member
Have to invest in a $300-$600 console first. Then there is the potential for sunk cost fallacy in abandoning the PS platform.
Personally have both and have no problem with Xbox being my COD/GP machine.
Sosokrates
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I doubt that MS will care too much since they'll be making money from the game regardless. I imagine that all marketing for Call of Duty after the deal has gone through will contain Xbox logos and the 'play with game pass' and everything else that comes with it.
A lot of casual gamers will probably just buy an Xbox because they'll believe that's where the game will play best through marketing (even though we all know that it's PC!
I guess it will be a balance of making money via playstation vs bring playstation players over to gamepass/xbox
Its tricky stuff. Because while they would make like $40 for cod sale on playstation, if they could get that playstation cod player on xbox they could make even more.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Even if they didn't amend it for gamepass they'll most likely have something that covers subscription services
Mr.ODST
Member
This is what will be their strongest pull, access all call of duty's for monthly fee and potentially have early access, extra content or even the game added day one on gamepass.
If they are willing to put starfield day one gamepass I'm sure to compete against PlayStation they will do the same with COD.
//DEVIL//
Member
Sadly to me, call of duty is a game where I usually play almost daily while game pass I only sub when I need to. Mainly in fall when they have big hits I wanna play and finish like Forza / halo single player etc.
Edit: also, close the deal before you talk about adding them to game pass. If the deal doesn't go through ( which I believe it will anyway ) then no cod for game pass lol
Edit: also, close the deal before you talk about adding them to game pass. If the deal doesn't go through ( which I believe it will anyway ) then no cod for game pass lol
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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There's no clarification if these are just the legacy/old games in the respective IPs (COD especially), or new releases. I would think with a statement like this, they'd want to definitively clear the air because there is a ton of people out there (myself included) looking at the logistics of them putting new COD releases on GamePass and seeing how it doesn't make sense from a financial POV.
COD Warzone OTOH, makes sense. Overwatch II makes sense given it's now F2P. Diablo IV I assume makes sense but I don't know if that's a F2P. Even if not, though, it's not a big seller the way COD is. But yeah, I think the only thing we can take from today's statement is that legacy COD games will be in GamePass and that was a foregone conclusion. If Phil Spencer meant new COD releases, I believe he would have explicitly stated that to clear any doubts.
COD Warzone OTOH, makes sense. Overwatch II makes sense given it's now F2P. Diablo IV I assume makes sense but I don't know if that's a F2P. Even if not, though, it's not a big seller the way COD is. But yeah, I think the only thing we can take from today's statement is that legacy COD games will be in GamePass and that was a foregone conclusion. If Phil Spencer meant new COD releases, I believe he would have explicitly stated that to clear any doubts.
Negotiator101
Member
I can't see that to be honest, given what Phil just said I'd think it's not the case.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
This is cool and all, but I feel like this blog post was more for the PR of the regulators than it was for announcing anything useful to us plebs.
Mister Wolf
Member
Looking forward to Diablo 4.
NickFire
Member
I think new ones will be on GP because they'd get a lot of back
lash from their own fans if it wasn't. But I also think this was just PR to get people in UK and Europe to support the deal.
You raise good points in lots of posts. But I think you are asking wrong questions about new games coming. Just a guess, but I think the better questions are how much more mtx gets added, and how much do subscription costs rise.
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Trogdor1123
Member
Wow coming too?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I get being entrenched in the ecosystem of one company. But PS5 is only bc with PS4, so having a Pro or PS4 on the side would negate that.
This is just my thought process for myself if I were contemplating it.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
All Phil has said is that they're putting COD on gamepass. There's nothing specific about that
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They get money from both, nothing better than that, you will never get everyone to switch
This is why xbox as a whole, is no longer about selling 1 console, its getting you in, in any way possible, even if its only $1 while streaming to your phone
Its still more money than they would be getting from people that would never switch or buy an xbox console
Trogdor1123
Member
Gamepass question, is the dlc for fallout 4 included on pc?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I guess it's a best of both worlds for them. Growing their subscriptions, while getting sales from multi platforms.
Plus the Switch is so ripe for older CoD ports. I'd love to see Blops brought back on Switch and PlayStation, with full cross play enabled between everyone. Give Xbox/PC owners a free update.
There's a lot of potential and a lot of money to be made. Shit that Activision slept on.
Sosokrates
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It would be better for Microsoft if gamers were on xbox,cloud or PC because they would get 100% of any digital transaction, if the gamer is on playstation sony gets a cut.
Mr Moose
Gold Member
Steam.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
why not both.gif
DLC is generally not included in game pass. Gears Hivebusters is an exception.
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HeisenbergFX4
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Sorry have been out getting my workout in wasn't just not answering you
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
My guess for WoW is still that they just straight up roll it into a Game Pass sub once Dragonflight and WotLK Classic are running out of steam. Put the whole game in maintenance mode where the only new stuff they make is chargeable.
The Venn diagram of people who still pay $15 a month for WoW and also pay the proper GP sub price must be pretty small overall. Benefits them more to just squish it together and get more people into WoW buying mounts, pets, and other crap, then get WoW players hooked on other games where they can buy the same kinda MTX.
The Venn diagram of people who still pay $15 a month for WoW and also pay the proper GP sub price must be pretty small overall. Benefits them more to just squish it together and get more people into WoW buying mounts, pets, and other crap, then get WoW players hooked on other games where they can buy the same kinda MTX.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
They've said in the past that all first party titles would be on Gamepass. So this isn't exactly news. This is just them trying to make nice with the regulators.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
New CoD games on day 1 is still an enigma. I don't see the deal closing before MW2 comes out so that's out of the question and it doesn't seem like there'll be a big new CoD next year anyway.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Putting CoD on gamepass is a really bad idea. We have seen from Halo and Forza sales or lack thereof that putting games on gamepass directly affects their game sales. CoD is an expensive game to make every year. Activision has said ALL their studios work on CoD now. Last gen it used to be three studios making one CoD game every 3 years with Raven helping out. Now ALL studios are helping out because these games have campagn, coop and mp modes that keep getting bigger.
I wouldnt be surprised if every game costs $100 million a year. MW2 probably cost more. Nvm the fact that these games are cash cows that literally generate all of Activisions revenue and profits. Putting these games on gamepass is going to increase gamepass revenue but at the cost of yearly guaranteed revenue that comes with being the best selling game year after year.
We have seen that making expensive shows available on services isnt profitable. Disney is losing almost a billion every year despite the fact they have almost 150 million subs. HBO lost billions and had to literally shelve movies after cancelling dozens of shows and shifted back to the theater release model. Turns out putting your $200 million movie on a $10 service was not a good idea.
I get that MS is willing to take these losses because their end game sees them hit 100-200 million subs, but take one look at how Netflix stock crashed the moment they started losing subscribers even though they were at 200 million, and how Disney is losing a billion despite 150 million subs and you have to wonder if this fucking business is worth it. Especially when the theater model for Disney was working so damn well. Marvel, Star Wars, Pixar were printing money. Billions in profits every year. Why change? Why change CoD?
I wouldnt be surprised if every game costs $100 million a year. MW2 probably cost more. Nvm the fact that these games are cash cows that literally generate all of Activisions revenue and profits. Putting these games on gamepass is going to increase gamepass revenue but at the cost of yearly guaranteed revenue that comes with being the best selling game year after year.
We have seen that making expensive shows available on services isnt profitable. Disney is losing almost a billion every year despite the fact they have almost 150 million subs. HBO lost billions and had to literally shelve movies after cancelling dozens of shows and shifted back to the theater release model. Turns out putting your $200 million movie on a $10 service was not a good idea.
I get that MS is willing to take these losses because their end game sees them hit 100-200 million subs, but take one look at how Netflix stock crashed the moment they started losing subscribers even though they were at 200 million, and how Disney is losing a billion despite 150 million subs and you have to wonder if this fucking business is worth it. Especially when the theater model for Disney was working so damn well. Marvel, Star Wars, Pixar were printing money. Billions in profits every year. Why change? Why change CoD?
twilo99
Member
Do it before MW2. I don't wanna spend 70$
Not gonna happen unfortunately. IF / when the deal closes... if you have the patience to wait
Rusty Shackelford
Member
Microsoft is becoming, or has become, a game publisher that manufactures consoles instead of a console maker with first party games. Next will be Microsoft branded, in some way, high end gaming PCs ala Alienware type systems, while having consoles for entry level gaming. They can say, "Our games can be played on any major device, i.e. all consoles, PCs, mobile. But play best on Xbox". Or something to that nature.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
Purchase COD for $70 annually on PlayStation or subscribe to Xbox/PC GamePass and have access to every COD game ever made + every COD game releasing in the future (probably with perks like early/discounted DLC and exclusive content). This will make the console purchasing decision much easier for parents deciding on which box to get for their child on Christmas or for friends deciding which platform to play on together.
ReBurn
Gold Member
They're willing to take the hit on the initial sale to get the recurring revenue. If you think of the gamer who only plays COD and they play all year then the "free on Gamepass" customer is worth $180 per year or more if they play online. Then there's still season pass and DLC purchases that don't go away. If the only game someone plays is this one then they should just buy it outright.
This isn't quite the same as video streaming because there's little opportunity to upsell on Disney+ or HBOMax other than removing ads. You can let someone play for "free" on a subscription service and still charge them for additional content, which is where a ton of the monetization is anyway.
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jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Game Pass is $10 a month, $120 a year. Call of Duty is $70 on Playstation (and Sony takes a 30% cut). The average person who buys Call of Duty every year is looking at that like "Do I want to pay $70 for this one game on PlayStation? Or do I want to pay $10 a month to play this game and hundreds of others on Xbox?". And they'll probably pick the Xbox / subscription route. Microsoft makes $49 one time on the PlayStation version, or potentially makes $10 a month for forever the other way. I'd say 99% of people play Call of Duty online, so that's another factor ($9.99 a month for PlayStation Plus Essential, or only $5 more for Game Pass Ultimate at $14.99) which furthers the value proposition.
Yes, direct sales will suffer for this. Of course they will - a lot of people will see the value in just subscribing to Game Pass instead of buying one game for $70. But, overall, revenue will increase and that's all Microsoft really cares about.
This is the real reason. Microsoft wants that top console spot. If you're buying a game console just to play the latest Call of Duty game, you're looking at either
- PlayStation 5 ($499.99) + PlayStation Plus Essential (one month, $9.99) + Call of Duty ($69.99) = $579.97
- Xbox Series X ($499.99) + Game Pass Ultimate (one month, $14.99) = $514.98 (11% less than PS5 option)
- Xbox Series S ($299.99) + Game Pass Ultimate (one month, $14.99) = $314.98 (46% less than PS5 option)
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Pretty much. If there's any delay whatsoever it will be due to existing contracts just being honored.
NickFire
Member
You're making an argument but ignoring the most likely price that will be paid IMO. Realistically, anyone who only plays Duty saves by buying the game outright. The price would be 70 plus 60 (annual gold or ps+) = 130, versus 180.
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Just COD though. Wonder what that means for all the other properties.
Plus assuring COD remains on PS
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
From all the anti-game pass folks here, it's only $1 for three years for ultimate. So that would be the absolute cheapest option.
NickFire
Member
Well, if that promo is still available when Duty becomes day 1, then yes, that would be the cheapest option for 3 years of playing only Duty. But technically the price would be 60.33 per year since you need to sub for 3 years to convert if I remember correctly. Still cheaper than 130 per year though.