Phil Spencer dislikes 3rd party exclusives and time exclusives yet continues to do them, why is that?

Is it a case of Phil Spencer, lie dispenser?

Multiple times he has said he doesn't like them or in one case in 2015 'isn't their long term strategy' yet here we are in 2020 yet another conference "console world exclusive". We see it every E3 and this years conference.
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What exactly is going on here. He hates them, but realises yet again they have no FP games coming, so they throw money at 3rd parties for a timed deal?
Some of these games really did not need MS funding at all to come out, so its obvious they are literally paying them to not be on other platforms.
 
Business is business I guess, you can't really take comments from these execs that seriously, things can change quickly, opportunities present themselves and you can't be worried about looking like a hypocrite.

It's for the so called gaming journalists to ask these types of questions, but I doubt they will.
 
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He has no choice and it's pretty much a standard thing throughout the industry at this point. It's also only going to get worse as more subscription services from the various publishers come on to the market.

Honestly he should just be quiet and drop the whole "good guy" facade, he's not fooling anyone anymore.
 
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Sony and MS both were forced to do this for next gen... their first party games just aren't going to be ready to go at launch.

Not liking something and having no choice but to do something are two different things.
 
So Microsoft should sit on the sidelines while Sony buys them up. Its like lawyers no one likes them but sometimes you need them.
 
Because they need 3rd party to fill the Game Pass library. Netflix isn't filled with just Netflix Originals because if it was, then it'd be pretty anaemic on content. They have to license movies from other studios and so do Microsoft.
 
Things change. The articles in OP are from 4 and 5 years ago. Obviously the strategy has changed.

I just hope Xbox fans keep that same energy of thinking 3rd party timed exclusives are OK when Sony start doing it, because it's coming. I personally have no problem with the practise. It's part of the biz.
 
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Sony and MS both were forced to do this for next gen... their first party games just aren't going to be ready to go at launch.

Not liking something and having no choice but to do something are two different things.

What have Sony done recently that's the same, curious? I know there was outrage over ff7r but wasn't that some sort of funded deal ages.
 
Things change. The articles in OP are from 4 and 5 years ago. Obviously the strategy has changed.

I just hope Xbox fans keep the same energy of thinking 3rd party timed exclusives are OK when Sony start doing it, because it's coming. I personally have no problem with the practise. It's part of the biz.
You realize several games shown during Sony PS5 games conference were timed 3rd party exclusives? Sony has been doing this for YEARS. Ever heard of Destiny 1 and 2?
 
You realize several games shown during Sony PS5 games conference were timed 3rd party exclusives? Sony has been doing this for YEARS. Ever heard of Destiny 1 and 2?
You do realise that Destiny 1 and 2 had console exclusive CONTENT but they launched on Xbox One and PS4 at the same time? So your example is bull shit.
 
You realize several games shown during Sony PS5 games conference were timed 3rd party exclusives? Sony has been doing this for YEARS. Ever heard of Destiny 1 and 2?
Sony is not the one giving interviews saying they are against it. Exclusive deals always existed, MS even had an exclusive deal for all GTAIV DLC back in the 360 days.
 
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One of the main reason i bought Xbox 360.
I got mine mainly for Alan Wake thinking it was exclusive for the 360 (also got it because it was much cheaper than the PS3 at that point). The only console I regret buying because once I got a PS3 I pretty much never used it again (online was paid, apps were behind paywall, etc) and it had no exclusive I liked.

I was stupid, the writing was on the wall that Alan Wake would come to PC one day since it was originally announced for it but it actually took a somewhat long time for it to happen. MS in the 360 days was vicious, in the case of Alan Wake they bought a multiplataform game, canceled the PS3 version and kept it from releasing on PC for two years and even tied it to Windows Vista.
 
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This is just his MO.


Things change. The articles in OP are from 4 and 5 years ago. Obviously the strategy has changed.

I just hope Xbox fans keep that same energy of thinking 3rd party timed exclusives are OK when Sony start doing it, because it's coming. I personally have no problem with the practise. It's part of the biz.

no. He always like to play the good guy, so he says shit every now and then.

About this thread, there is one from this month.

 
I don't care what he likes or doesn't like, but I'm pretty sure no consumer of either console likes when they have to wait for some third party timed deal... most people just wait... It's not a system seller.

I hope both Sony and MS stop this but it doesn't seem like they will.
 
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Phil Spencer said he dislikes 3rd party exclusives, but he didn't say he wouldn't do it.
It's business! Sometimes you have to do things you don't like.

I guess both Sony and Microsoft dislike 3rd party exclusives, but unfortunately it's necessary if you want to sell more consoles.
 
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He can't get bigger ones off publishers due to the success of Switch and PS4 so he is coming up with these statements.

Lets be real, as time goes on(post release of a game) the sales decline. There are spikes after price drops.

No one is giving Xbox/3rd place looser an exclusive to loose on revenue.

I think, and I honestly believe that TitanFall would have been a HUGE SUCCESS if it was launched on PS4 along Xbox...
 
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Is it a case of Phil Spencer, lie dispenser?

Multiple times he has said he doesn't like them or in one case in 2015 'isn't their long term strategy' yet here we are in 2020 yet another conference "console world exclusive". We see it every E3 and this years conference.
Here are some links

What exactly is going on here. He hates them, but realises yet again they have no FP games coming, so they throw money at 3rd parties for a timed deal?
Some of these games really did not need MS funding at all to come out, so its obvious they are literally paying them to not be on other platforms.

Firstly, how do you know they are throwing money at them? I don't think they are. I don't think they'd be paying for a bunch of indie games and F2P games when they could be getting bigger franchises like Sony does now or Xbox has done in the past.

There's other ways that these deals can happen. An indie developer can go to Microsoft and say that they'll release on Xbox only for a period of time if they get exposure. Microsoft includes their trailer in a promotional event and the developer gets exposure and releases on PlayStation later.

Lets look at what Phil actually says from both articles:

"My strategy is more around our own first-party franchises, and investing in franchises that we own. I want to have strong third-party relations, but paying for many third-party exclusives isn't our long-term strategy"

"Paying marketing funds so another consoles base can't play a piece of content doesn't feel like growth"


The common thing between the two is that, they don't want to just spend money for exclusivity. We don't know if they gave these random devs random amounts of money. I don't think they did, why would they want to play random devs like bloober team and others money when they could get something bigger?

The first quote is that long-term they don't want to get timed-exclusives when basically talking about Tomb Raider. Which basically saying they rather put money in the future in their own studios rather then put money into buying timed exclusives. They did put a bunch of money into their first party which fits what was said.

The second, is that going to some random company and throwing a bunch of your finite cash doesn't feel like growth. It's a bit ambiguous if he means growth for the game, industry or Xbox. But either way, an exposure deal leads to potential growth for the game because you would otherwise not spotlight a game that's not scratching your back which would in turn possible grow the industry. And to the Xbox platform that will also lead to potential growth without actually spending money because they are giving you a benefit.

I don't know exactly what happens behind closed doors, But I doubt that Microsoft is throwing cash at small devs when they could be combining it to throw at big devs. During the 360 days, Microsoft got a bunch of indie devs to make games for them with just promises of promoting them (which the indie devs criticized how they did it).

I don't think he's lying, I think people just misinterpret what he says. It's like the whole thing about the whole cross-gen thing. He said he didn't believe in arbitrarily making a game exclusive because they wanted to sell consoles and that the first two years of games would be cross-gen. Then people got mad when games that are likely not coming within 2 years were announced as Series X only and they said the decisions was up to the developers on what they plan to support. Microsoft should have a rough idea of when their games are coming out so they should be able to say that all the XGS games are going to be cross-gen for the next 2 years. So just because it's upto the developers, it doesn't mean it goes against the 2 year thing as he never said it was a mandate.
 
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He says a lot of things. All I ever hear is recent quotes from him and they're all very "we're above these practices/ i don't want to compete/ it's all about the games for us now" .......like because Microsoft is no where near Sony's level he acts like he's taken the moral ground, but then goes on to say sarcastic things about Sony, and low key shade about PS4. Like girl - your done.
 
"Not a long term strategy"
Seems pretty simple to understand. Does not mean they won't ever do it. Sony do it all the time, what's the problem with this ?

Oh wait I know, the problem is that it is MS who are doing it. If it was Sony, it would be fine.
 
How else can MS compete when Sony is buying exclusives like SF5 for the entire gen and major content on CoD and Destiny for insane time periods?
 
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You do realise that Destiny 1 and 2 had console exclusive CONTENT but they launched on Xbox One and PS4 at the same time? So your example is bull shit.
I get it man. Sony is as pure as the driven snow and MS is evil. At the end of the day both companies pay for exclusive timed content. Just because you don't like a practice doesn't mean you never do it. I don't like paying taxes but I do every year. MS never said they were going to unilaterally disarm. You'll survive man.
 
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Because it's all just a business. The same way Ryan said exclusives are what matters, but their show was also filled mostly with 3rd party titles, because without them they'd have nothing but SM:MM to offer when PS5 launches. Next-gen consoles are ready, their games not, so the companies have to rely on 3rd party devs whether they like it or not, it's all about who can buy more of them, but once 1st party games start to show up in a year or two, I expect timed exclusivity to become more or less a thing of the past.
 
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Another fine thread of xbox criticism = everyone is a sony fanboy.

Interesting how no-one is accused of being a Nintendo fan boy, or PC fanboy or....Nahh it has to be them damned, pesky sony fans that keep criticising the perfect xbox!
 
He might dislike it, but the company is pretty much forced to do it.

It is like a "game theory" situation that one company is compelled to spend on those deals because the competition is also doing or might do it.
 
5 years old statements? Seriously? Some people are really obsessed with Microsoft and Spencer and i bet most of them wouldn`t even touch a Xbox if it had boobs on it.
 
I think we all need to accept these are marketing PR dudes. If Xbox blew up our houses and got caught on fire they would spin that shit and say it keeps you warm.

We had Jim Ryan saying who plays old games shit yet they have PS2 classics.

We had Jim Ryan say fuck cross play think about the kids bro, yet we now have cross play.

We have had Major Nelson say how lame it is to announce a console without showing the box (talking about PS4) only for Microsoft to do that with One X.

Now we got Phil blabbering on about we promise we got games for 5 years and only showed a bunch of CG that's 4 years out lol. Or Phil saying we hate time exclusives only to do just that.

This shit is normal they get paid for this shit. The only people who should feel embarrassed are the dudes who take every word from these PE dudes as gospel the folks who said we believe in Phil lol.
 
Because he only does everything, Contraditions, passive aggressive comments, Changes competition every week, thats Phil Spencer.

Thats why he just buys 3rd party companies Instead...
and he also does 3rd party timed exclusives.

Also Isn't Medium Timed exclusive?
 
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