Phil Spencer says he spends ‘zero energy’ on console wars - ‘doesn’t envision’ a time when every Xbox user subscribes to Game Pass
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recursive
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Fare thee well
Neophyte
Who is winning the war after this thread? 
recursive
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Source of your analysis?
Warablo
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I am not talking about active users, I am talking about every human being on the planet being able to pick up there phone and playing a game. That's the reach they want.
DeepEnigma
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Kagey K
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There's a war? Hard to tell with such little ammo on the field.Who is winning the war after this thread?
Maybe if they both stocked up cold war style we could see, but right now is like opening rolls on Risk.
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DeadOblivion78
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Doesn't Phil Spencer follow Andrea Pichinini, the biggest catfish xbox fanboy ever on this planet? I don't see PlayStation executives following fanboys on twitter.
Kagey K
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Really we going to cry about Twitter now?
It only means as much as you want it to mean.
Let them have tbier space, as I prefer they don't invade ours.
Kagey K
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They did make it more expensive for Sony I think,
Those 3rd party deals may come less frequently now.
Release on 1 system for some money for a year, or release on them all and get MS Money?
Hard choice.
We all know what Moon Studios guy would do.
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IDKFA
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You're missing the point. Not everyone is into gaming, so they'll never use the service. Then they're are people like myself who enjoy gaming, but wouldn't be interested streaming a game to my phone. Then there is the fact that this service will cost money every month.
More people are into watching TV/films than gaming, but even then Netflix "only" has just north of 200 million subscribers. No where close to the planets 7 billion.
What makes you think Sony or Microsoft can beat those numbers?
Silent Viper
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So how that is console war? He did ti boost his ecosystem. Sony doing same. Just dont have monies like MS.
Warablo
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They just want to give as much people as possible to have the option to give their company money. Exposure and the like. I never ever said they would have 7 billion active users, just that companies want the biggest audience exposure possible. That audience is on mobile for now.
Kagey K
Banned
Sonys market share is going to shrink this gen, just like it did in the PS3 days.
Right now the overall market seems to be capped at about 200 mil, somebody needs to break the glass ceiling, but I think they all have to do it together.
Nobody is doing it without help.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Yeah. That makes sense as billions of people own a smartphone. However, they'll still probably only get Netflix numbers at best.
Kagey K
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That's still hundreds of thousands better than any console is doing right now.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Correct. I was being far too generous. There is no way they're hitting those numbers.
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GhostOfTsu
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Those people have zero interest in playing hardcore console games on their phones or tablet.
Netflix is cheaper, takes zero skills and it's available on every PC, TV, phone or console worldwide and yet they're only at 200 millions. What makes you think XCloud will break every barrier for gaming? Stadia is already there and it's a flop even with the bigger "reach"
Kagey K
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Depends how far our you are looking I guess.
No way in 2005 did Netflix think they'd have 200mil subscribers. Yet here we are today.
Kagey K
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Netflix isn't cheaper.
In Canada for the 4k Netflix it's over 20.00/month.
GPU is 15.00
The rest I can't disagree with, except I'd rather be actively participating 8n my entertainment than idly watching it while scrolling my phone.
kingfey
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How much do game companies make from each game they sell if each game costs 60 dollars?
Answer (1 of 8): David mullich has described the retail part very descriptively , i just wanted to say if you are selling on an online platform like steam and other game stores. Steam takes around 30% of the sales usually. and they dont charge additionally like xbox live and other platforms for ...
If we deal with digital, its 30% cut for MS, and 70% for the publisher.
AC Valhalla Led To Best Assassin's Creed Sales Year Ever
Assassin's Creed Valhalla set new records for the series.
screenrant.com
Since Valhalla is 60$ game, store owners will get 30%. 60-18=42. With playstation and xbox split being 2/1 according to console numbers, and other platform having Valhalla, xbox would have around 3-4m copies. Paying for 4m copies will cost 168m at 42$ price. That is not to count, the other sales xbox would have.
That is just digital, without any sales. Usually, the game is sold cheap after 1 year, so MS wont be paying at the 60$ price.
Amazon.com: Assassin’s Creed Valhalla Xbox Series X|S, Xbox One Standard Edition : Ubisoft: Video Games
Amazon.com: Assassin’s Creed Valhalla Xbox Series X|S, Xbox One Standard Edition : Ubisoft: Video Games
www.amazon.com
With that price reduction, MS would cost the game around 20$-30$ per copy. at 20$ price, 4m copies=80m. At 30$, 4m copies 120m copies.
Physical copies is even much cheaper. because of the cost associates with.
In 2010, OnLive did a breakdown for game price (retail games only):
Because of these costs, Publishers wont earn that much from the 60$ on day1. So MS paying them $80m for day1 is much better value for them, since they will still sell copies, and non gamepass users will buy their games, and add other consoles sales.
This is AAA game, from ubisoft, which sells tons of copies. 12m in just 1 year isnt a joke. God of war reached 20m in 4 years, despite being on psnow, and free ps+ game.
Other games will cost less for MS to do gamepass day1.
The major problems for publishers is having enough market to do 4m on day1. Unless you are popular series, or have massive followers, you wont reach that number easily.
This is persona 5.
The report states that Persona 5 Royal has now shipped over 1.8 million copies, while Persona 5 Strikers sits at 1.3 million copies. Together with the original Persona 5 — which had sold more than 3.2 million units last we heard — the Phantom Thieves have clearly stolen a lot of hearts.Jun 30, 2021
The game was only on ps3 and ps4. and it managed to get that much as of now. game was released in 2016.
Gamepass day1 money would be a massive for these games. Since their life time is 2m.
kingfey
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see my new reply, I broke down how much money will these publishers get from MS day1.
kingfey
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I agree with you, People like to shit on anything, so they can point for their hardware.Most people used to until their favorite brands did it.
I love psnow, despite people hating them. It gave me good playing time, on my shitty laptop.
Doctor Hades
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Have I missed something but how are Amazon and Google competitors to Microsoft and gaming?
I cannot remember ever buying a game published by Amazon or even Google for that matter but then I have absolutely zero-interest in online or mobile gaming. The former is now so saturated that every MMORPG now looks and feels the same as every other (in my opinion) and mobile gaming is something I see as being for people who aren't really interested in gaming at all. Mobile gaming is also ruined by fee-to-pay mechanics and microtransactions, so much so that I just instantly switch off whenever I see any game advertising itself as Free-to-Play.
I cannot remember ever buying a game published by Amazon or even Google for that matter but then I have absolutely zero-interest in online or mobile gaming. The former is now so saturated that every MMORPG now looks and feels the same as every other (in my opinion) and mobile gaming is something I see as being for people who aren't really interested in gaming at all. Mobile gaming is also ruined by fee-to-pay mechanics and microtransactions, so much so that I just instantly switch off whenever I see any game advertising itself as Free-to-Play.
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Bernd Lauert
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Imagine comparing Stadia to Gamepass.
DeepEnigma
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None of us know shit.
All of them follow timdog too
kingfey
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Money.
Supercell Acquisition: Tencent Set to Take 13% of global games market
Tencent and Supercell: Combined revenues from both companies totaled $11.1 billion in 2015. This year, they will take 13% of all global game revenues.
newzoo.com
They can buy devs and be more strong than other competitors.
SportsFan581
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I think when they talk about reach, they are just talking about possible customers. A good portion of the worlds population are potential customers when you do Console/PC/Cloud, with just console your possible customers for any piece of software are limited to just those that have purchased the console. Obviously attach rate would be quite low when talking about every person alive in the world. LOL
GAF machine
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Techno_Inked
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OK Phil, couple questions , why does Xbox have exclusives, 'oNlY oN xBoX' and 'WOrLd PrEmIeReS' at your own events?
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Hawking Radiation
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MS exec said he spends zero energy on console wars but he follows people on social media that actively fan the flames of console wars.
It's more than relevant in this thread.
I imagine it would be the same for Jim Ryan if he started following PS fanboys who spread FUD on social media. He'd likely get shit from all angles of the Xbox sphere had he started doing that and maybe even from some PS fans.
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recursive
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How do you know any of this true? Do you have verified sources at Microsoft and you can be vetted? Pure bullshit.
Topher
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"Others bring console games to PC years later, not only making people buy their hardware up front but then charging them a second time to play on PC"
-Phil Spencer spending "energy" on the console war
Xbox boss Phil Spencer issues thinly-veiled dig at Sony's PC strategy
Xbox boss Phil Spencer has issued a thinly-veiled dig at Sony over its PC strategy.
www.eurogamer.net
kingfey
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Read the story about how Phil convinced them to buy Minecraft.
Microsoft originally declined to buy Minecraft
Bill Gates wasn't a fan of the idea.
DarkMage619
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Is he lying? Are others bringing titles to PC and only charging you once? I hardly see how this is console warring especially since I didn't even see a console mentioned. People are looking to be outraged."Others bring console games to PC years later, not only making people buy their hardware up front but then charging them a second time to play on PC"
-Phil Spencer spending "energy" on the console war
Xbox boss Phil Spencer issues thinly-veiled dig at Sony's PC strategy
Xbox boss Phil Spencer has issued a thinly-veiled dig at Sony over its PC strategy.
Rocco Schiavone
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Phil is correct. He just let Microsoft buy Bethesda instead.
Topher
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This is clearly targeting Sony. No idea what you mean by "People are looking to be outraged". This isn't outrageous. But the console war is in Phil's mind no matter how much he pretends otherwise.
recursive
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Read the story about how Phil convinced them to buy Minecraft.
Microsoft originally declined to buy Minecraft
Bill Gates wasn't a fan of the idea.www.gamereactor.eu
A couple of phil dick sucking pr puff pieces are your source? Unbelievable.Read the story about how Phil convinced them to buy Minecraft.
Microsoft originally declined to buy Minecraft
Bill Gates wasn't a fan of the idea.
recursive
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Without a doubt. Console wars are rent free in Phil's head. Probably Jim's too. If people think these guys don't care about crushing the competition they are clueless. I guarantee their bonuses are tied to it.
DarkMage619
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Seems to me any developer putting games on both console and PC could be the subject. You might not know this but MS doesn't just make console games. In fact they actually have games that are only on PC. This is simple promotion just like when the two Sony executives handed PS4 games to each other to show how game sharing is handled on PS4. Would you call that 'warring'?
Topher
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Hawking Radiation
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The point
Topher
was making is that execs on both sides are warring and that obviously includes Phil. Him coming out to say he doesn't its just pure BS. How can any sane human being believe otherwise.I mean fuck there's warring from PS and Xbox going back decades.
- PS used game video
- The Xbox 360 boat at the PS3 launch event
- Aron Greenberg's constant PS trolling on social media (and there must be tons of examples when Xbox 360 was doing so well)
- Andrew House during PS4 launch event: 'While others have shifted their message and changed their story, we were consistent in maintaining policies and a model that is fair and in tune with consumer desires'
- Shuhei Yoshida's tweet about how the PS4’s 32 launch regions tops Microsoft’s 13: ('-') .o0 (32 > 13)
There's heaps more examples I'm sure and yeah these fuckers ^^^ could have left out those little jabs at each other and everything would be fine.
These companies can promote their products without resorting to shit flinging but they don't. In some ways they probably like trolling each other and this kind of behaviour just enables warriors on both sides to take up arms and continue the battle here on the forums.
I kinda wish Sony, MS and Nintendo would stop with this shit to be quite honest because it continues to encourage warring. I'd rather we get more messages about unification and togetherness in this industry.
Give me more of these moments and stop the fucking shit flinging
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kingfey
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I guess you are blind then.
kingfey
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The problem with console warring these days, is that old dudes are the ones who are engaging it.The point
I mean fuck there's warring from PS and Xbox going back decades.
- PS used game video
- The Xbox 360 boat at the PS3 launch event
- Aron Greenberg's constant PS trolling on social media (and there must be tons of examples when Xbox 360 was doing so well)
- Andrew House during PS4 launch event: 'While others have shifted their message and changed their story, we were consistent in maintaining policies and a model that is fair and in tune with consumer desires'
- Shuhei Yoshida's tweet about how the PS4’s 32 launch regions tops Microsoft’s 13: ('-') .o0 (32 > 13)
There's heaps more examples I'm sure and yeah these fuckers ^^^ could have left out those little jabs at each other and everything would be fine.
These companies can promote their products without resorting to shit flinging but they don't. In some ways they probably like trolling each other and this kind of behaviour just enables warriors on both sides to take up arms and continue the battle here on the forums.
I kinda wish Sony, MS and Nintendo would stop with this shit to be quite honest because it continues to encourage warring. I'd rather we get more messages about unification and togetherness in this industry.
Give me more of these moments and stop the fucking shit flinging
Younger audience don't give a crap about. They want to play with their friends.
For us, we grow up, when the internet was infant. We had forums and we posted all the shit. Those times are gone now. People have gotten old.
Xbox was released in 2001. People who born in that age, are 20 now. People who were 10 years old, are 30 years old now.
Its just grown ups, who are arguing about it nonstop, because they didn't grow up from it.
Everyone is sick of it.
Great Hair
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
It's not that complicated dude. If Capcom for instance releases Street Fighter 5 on PC and PS4 you have to buy it twice. If MS releases Forza Horizon 5 on PC and Xbox you have to buy it once. He isn't 'warring' against Capcom because he is stating that MS is offering a better value. He is selling his platform not attacking anyone.
ok then
You see 'warring' I see simple promotion. Warring is the 'Xbox suxors' crap I see posted from fanboys time to time.The point
I mean fuck there's warring from PS and Xbox going back decades.
- PS used game video
- The Xbox 360 boat at the PS3 launch event
- Aron Greenberg's constant PS trolling on social media (and there must be tons of examples when Xbox 360 was doing so well)
- Andrew House during PS4 launch event: 'While others have shifted their message and changed their story, we were consistent in maintaining policies and a model that is fair and in tune with consumer desires'
- Shuhei Yoshida's tweet about how the PS4’s 32 launch regions tops Microsoft’s 13: ('-') .o0 (32 > 13)
There's heaps more examples I'm sure and yeah these fuckers ^^^ could have left out those little jabs at each other and everything would be fine.
These companies can promote their products without resorting to shit flinging but they don't. In some ways they probably like trolling each other and this kind of behaviour just enables warriors on both sides to take up arms and continue the battle here on the forums.
I kinda wish Sony, MS and Nintendo would stop with this shit to be quite honest because it continues to encourage warring. I'd rather we get more messages about unification and togetherness in this industry.
Give me more of these moments and stop the fucking shit flinging
JerryinSoCal
Member
Yeah they are doing it later and that's because they need people to buy their console and invest in their ecosystem, they don't have windows, office or cloud services to make up for their gaming platform not making back all the money they are spending.
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Topher
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It really is less complicated than that. Spencer was clearly talking about Sony.
Eurogamer completely agrees even if you pretend otherwise.
“Spencer doesn't name Sony in his comments, but it's clear which company he is talking about here.”
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