Piers Morgan: If black Americans want the N-word to die, they will have to kill it
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I might have to reconsider his opinion now that I see him photographed with so many minorities.
NYCmetsfan
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Look at his timeline and retweets
What the fuck is this shit?
Maybe black people don't want the word to stop being used and there is isn't anything wrong with that. this just about sums up my opinion on the usage of the n word .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yDMd9g1oSA
CrazyDogg77
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People who understand context do
Foxy Fox 39
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Well it won't ever go away. And we're not the ones who created it. I do think that black people shouldn't use it or even co-opt it no matter what whites are doing.
Winterfang
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Nigga is often used in the context of a good friend or brother from another mother. But if people get offended by it, they are in their right to do so.
No, we can't. That's why his statement is dumb as shit. LOL
You can't kill a word. You can't stop people from saying it. The more you attempt to do that, the more people will want to use it. Thats because English is an evolving language. Words don't just die out. The best that can be hoped for is to reduce the negative connotations of the word such as that it isn't used as an insult. Increase education about the negative connotations of using the word as an insult (or using it at all in most cases) and the like.
The Faceless Master
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yeah, if black people stopped using it, all of the racists would totally abandon it too...
Yep. I am waiting for people to come in here and bitch about "conditional usage" being unfair, how it's a huge double standard, it's not fair that "just because I am white, I can't use a word" and "No one owns a word."
All I see when things that are posted is "Why can't I call black people niggers without being called a racist?! It's not fair!".
Can't wait!
No that's not their fault. If us negroes would stop using it, racism would end at that very moment.
Don't really get the hate he is getting for this, he's not saying black people exclusively need to stop saying it or are the root cause of the word being popular, just that it will never die if black people keep using it, and by his mind he thinks if they stopped then perhaps the word would die out as it would eventually filter out of everyone's vocab.
I disagree with him tho, I look at homophobic slurs (which are certainly never used by gay people) and they are still commonly used (likely by the same idiots that are racist).
I don't think there is much that can be done to eliminate insults like this unfortunately.
I disagree with him tho, I look at homophobic slurs (which are certainly never used by gay people) and they are still commonly used (likely by the same idiots that are racist).
I don't think there is much that can be done to eliminate insults like this unfortunately.
Just another guy jealous that black people get to say fun shit like "sup nigga" and "my nigga" without making everyone uncomfortable. It's the one word from black culture that we can't appropriate because it's too obvious.
If I can't have it, then you can't either dammit. Piers Morgan, 2014
If I can't have it, then you can't either dammit. Piers Morgan, 2014
Imperial Bishop
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The only way to truly kill a word is by wiping the word itself from the memories of all human beings and from every worded document on the planet.
All black people should band their resources together and construct a machine that can literally remove a word from existence. That is the real message Piers is sending us.
All black people should band their resources together and construct a machine that can literally remove a word from existence. That is the real message Piers is sending us.
Language always evolves. The only way a word dies is if it becomes outdated with a new word. but with some words, history has shown us that words change meaning over time. "Ciao" and "Slavic" are examples of these.
point blank. this guy is an idiot.
it's that easy man.
point blank. this guy is an idiot.
it's that easy man.
similarly, if unarmed black people wanted to stop getting shot by police and wannabe authority figures then they should pull up their pants
this is yet another example of respectability politics
Foxy Fox 39
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I used to see no problem with it and I used to use it as a sentence filler growing up. But as I got older I realized that it's still a word born from hate. I don't find enjoyment from co-opting a word that racists used to demean us for centuries.
I don't expect every black person to feel this way and I know my views could be considered extreme, but personally, for me it's disrespectful to my ancestors who were called this while going through centuries of slavery and physical abuse. For me it just feels wrong now to call another black person "nigga".
The Faceless Master
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no. what they're supposed to do is be armed and shoot first.
I don't find it strange now, because obviously it's a term of endearment for black people and obviously when they say it they don't mean it by its origins. I do find it strange how black people ever used it in the first place tho, because back then it would have been by those terms ... will have to do some research.
But yeah, I'd never call my gay friends the F word.
For starters some black people use nigga as a term of endearment and it is not for you, some douchebag from the UK or anyone us to tell us what we should or shouldn't call each other.
Basically this, but I don't mind when other people use it/someone refers to me by it.
wouldn't work because doing the first step will trigger a wave of new gun control laws
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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White dude upset that he can't have one thing, so no one can have that thing.
you're hispanic? Do you ever use the word "Ciao"?
I don't like the word for primarily two reasons (specifically, the term 'nigga'). First, I've adopted the stance, which I think is correct, that this is not a word that should be used by white people. The reason why I don't think it should be used by white people stems into my second rationale, so I'll leave it for now. But what I have found is that there is a growing population of white people using the term in the same way two black people may use the term -- they are not trying to offend; they're trying to do the opposite: become a part of the in-group.
I try to explain to people why I don't think they should use the word and they categorically deny any point I pose. And of course, it's thrown back in my face as: "What, black people can say it but whites can't? You're the racist." So educating people on the specific rationales for use, and why people use the term, and who shouldn't, and why they shouldn't -- that's actually really hard, and I have a hard time dealing with that.
My second reason is that it is really -- to the point of being easily misheard -- really close to the N-word, which any reasonable person on this planet should not be saying. So, if I hear a white person say 'nigga', it sometimes sounds to me like the N-word, straight up, and you know, I will get offended and say something and it will turn into an argument. So I don't like how similar sounding the two terms are.
So I don't like the term and I wish it wasn't in use, but the fact is that it is a part of a culture that rightfully owns the term, and they should be praised for taking something so hurtful and finding solidarity in their culture by its repurposement -- so, really, my ultimate feeling on the matter is "Fuck what I think." I'd rather it not be a term used, but I would never in a million years try to take something away from people on the basis that I find it inconvenient to deal with. The thought of people who do want to do that, that right there is real capital-R Racism, in my mind.
I try to explain to people why I don't think they should use the word and they categorically deny any point I pose. And of course, it's thrown back in my face as: "What, black people can say it but whites can't? You're the racist." So educating people on the specific rationales for use, and why people use the term, and who shouldn't, and why they shouldn't -- that's actually really hard, and I have a hard time dealing with that.
My second reason is that it is really -- to the point of being easily misheard -- really close to the N-word, which any reasonable person on this planet should not be saying. So, if I hear a white person say 'nigga', it sometimes sounds to me like the N-word, straight up, and you know, I will get offended and say something and it will turn into an argument. So I don't like how similar sounding the two terms are.
So I don't like the term and I wish it wasn't in use, but the fact is that it is a part of a culture that rightfully owns the term, and they should be praised for taking something so hurtful and finding solidarity in their culture by its repurposement -- so, really, my ultimate feeling on the matter is "Fuck what I think." I'd rather it not be a term used, but I would never in a million years try to take something away from people on the basis that I find it inconvenient to deal with. The thought of people who do want to do that, that right there is real capital-R Racism, in my mind.
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I guess. Though it's strange that other races don't engage in this kind of behavior on such a macro level. Even other races like hispanics will use "nigga" (a word with roots to negatively describe a black person) over a slur dedicated towards their own race.
Interesting.
I think it could be argued that it's more respectful than disrespectful because it acknowledges historical hardships.
This is no where in the same ballpark in terms of actual racism, but most foreigners living in Japan will tell you they hate the word "gaijin" (which just means foreigner).
Still, my friends and I call eact other gaijin all the time, even though we hate being called that by Japanese because it feels dehumanizing. It's like there's a mutual acknowledgment that we're all going through some similar difficulties, so I prefer being called gaijin over foreigner, by other gaijin.
PartTimeWarrior
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I wouldn't mind if the word went away.
Foxy Fox 39
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same.
Winterfang
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I'm Hispanic. Never had used it, is that like good buy in some language right? There's a bastardization of that word 'chau' that we rarely use.
Mammoth Jones
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Piers should shut up and take a page outta the book of my boy Tim. He gets it.
Foxy Fox 39
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Im guessing other black people.
Pretty much, of all the racism to tackle he chooses a non issue that been well tread.
Watch he will be on some show talking about how black people are now mad at him for speaking the truth.
I would hope so.
He can go on O'reilly and they can talk about all of the problems with the "black community" and what black people should or shouldn't being doing.
It really does feel like this, anytime this subject is brought up.
Bobby Roberts
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There's no real functional difference between "nigga" or "Nigger" like there's no real difference between "kinda" and "Kind of"
It's said/spelled differently as a means to more closely replicate how the word/phrase is said out loud in speech. It's not a conscious choice that denotes a subtle difference in intent. It's literally the exact same word, it's just a matter of pronunciation based on the regional dialect you're using - although there are some people who believe the definition of the word DOES change based on its pronunciation, and that seems to have come about based on the continued misunderstanding that what's important is the vowel sound at the end of the word, and not the race and intent of the person using it. That misunderstanding is often kept afloat by white boys hungry to find a loophole that allows them to say the word they know they shouldn't be saying, pass or no pass.
Piers Morgan is a fucking idiot, also.
It's said/spelled differently as a means to more closely replicate how the word/phrase is said out loud in speech. It's not a conscious choice that denotes a subtle difference in intent. It's literally the exact same word, it's just a matter of pronunciation based on the regional dialect you're using - although there are some people who believe the definition of the word DOES change based on its pronunciation, and that seems to have come about based on the continued misunderstanding that what's important is the vowel sound at the end of the word, and not the race and intent of the person using it. That misunderstanding is often kept afloat by white boys hungry to find a loophole that allows them to say the word they know they shouldn't be saying, pass or no pass.
Piers Morgan is a fucking idiot, also.
in Italian it's goodbye and hello in Spanish i'm pretty sure it's only goodbye, it's slang and rarely used but it is considered a Spanish term. Originally it came from the term "schiavo" which is roughly Italian for "slave". often used by Italians when classifying slaves. Spaniards heard this term and thought the term was pronounced "ciao" (since the v is barely heard).
Anyways my point being is personal meanings of words change over time, when blacks use the N-word it's not in the same way a slave owner from the 1800's used it.
There is good money is telling black people they aren't shit and what they need to do.
There is a huge functional difference between "nigga" and the other one.
Ignoring that for the sake of pedantry is being either obtuse and disingenuous.
Winterfang
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But that's a completely different word altogether. Unless Italians say Ciao to minorities or something.
I agree that if black people want others to stop using the word, they need to stop using it themselves. While it would be nice that black people could use it freely without white folks getting any ideas, we don't live in la-la land.
Either everyone will say it, or no one says it(
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Either everyone will say it, or no one says it(
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