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Pixar's Lightyear flops
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Yoda
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Given it isn't opening in many international markets and has bad word of mouth, it'll likely plummet hard for subsequent weeks. I'm generally checked out from anything Disney puts out, so not really basing this off anything... but I'd guess 50M doesn't cover the marketing budget.
Jaybe
Member
Yeah, once the Minions 2 movie comes out July 1 Lightyear will lose theatres and cease being the main kids movie for the summer.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Damn. I thought the $75 million projections were low and it was going to shatter $100 million with the audiences finally back in movie theaters after Top gun and jurrassic park posted back to back strong openings.
I guess the lesbian kiss scene kept parents away. this is a movie about toys aimed at literally 5-6 years old. why would any parent want to take them to a movie with a scene like that? i get that its considered normal now but it makes sense in a mature rated title like TLOU2 or say Top Gun. Toy Story doesnt need any of that stuff.
I guess the lesbian kiss scene kept parents away. this is a movie about toys aimed at literally 5-6 years old. why would any parent want to take them to a movie with a scene like that? i get that its considered normal now but it makes sense in a mature rated title like TLOU2 or say Top Gun. Toy Story doesnt need any of that stuff.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Sounds like religious people
Oh, I’m just fine on how polls work. I had absolutely no intentions of risking my career in any capacity, to the point that I abstained from homosexual activity and would never answer in the affirmative.
As someone with lived experience in the military where homosexuality was shit on until 2011, I think I have a far better perspective on the matter than you could ever hope to have. Even to this day, I am constantly battling two decades of “don’t be a fag” programming from the baptist church and my parents. I was in the most unfriendly-to-gays environment you could have. I myself said some really homophobic shit for the longest time.
My husband and I both come from conservative backgrounds and we both absolutely refuse to give any indication that we’re gay when we’re out in public. We’re “best friends” you see. Even in South Korea, as safe as it is for us compared to the bible belt, we still keep it to ourselves.
Expand your view of that graph you posted beyond your two-dimensional thinking.
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
Again it has nothing to do with gay or “ girl power”. But that’s all you guys see. Which is fine I guess.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
60 percent gay? Is that like a straight girl in her twenties who likes to make out and diddle other girls when she's drunk on the weekends?
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Regardless of your feelings on it, you better get used to LGBT couples or whatever represented in film because it's pretty much going to be everywhere now whether it's movies or television. And when I say everywhere, I pretty much mean that. I don't think there's going to be a movie, show, games, comics, pillows or sitcom or whatever without LGBT representation.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I'm happy that Top Gun Maverick is doing great. We need more blockbusters that aren't just superhero films to do great and are actually good movies
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Kilau
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Can’t help you. I’m not oblivious about it.
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
bro what is "abnormal" exists only in your head. fucking kids was socalled "normal" in the western world 2k yrs ago
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Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I agree and I don't even care about Top Gun. I've never even seen the original and don't even want to bother seeing it even though it's available right now on Amazon Prime for free.
But damn it's nice that it's doing well and it's something different. Plus I hear that a lot of the special effects are practical and there were times the actors were actually in the planes themselves. That's pretty impressive.
I would probably say congratulations to the new Jurassic World movie but to be honest they milk that crap too and besides the original movie, I could just really not care about that one either.
But yeah major bonus points to Ted Cruz for delivering a blockbuster movie that isn't a bunch of cape shit.
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I saw the first Top Gun before I saw the second Top Gun and I hated it. Maverick is way better movie in my opinion
As for the special effects I don't care if a movie uses practical or CGI so to me that stuff doesn't matter.
The story and characters were actually great. The action sequences were great too
Also Ted Cruz?
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chromhound
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I don't think it failed because of the LGBTQ stuff, i think it failed because the marketing was trash and no one asked for this
Wheeljack539
Member
Not quite the Cruise missile we were looking for.
AmuroChan
Member
Jurassic World would have more impact than TGM. TGM's target demographics is 40+ males. Lightyear and Jurassic World would have much bigger overlaps in terms of target audience. Lightyear is a movie I would take my kids to go see. TGM is a movie I would take my dad to go see.
pramod
Banned
Western media at least. You can always stick with non-western media to avoid all that stuff.
AmuroChan
Member
Anything out of Hollywood certainly, but that's why it's good that companies like Daily Wire have gone into the movies and entertainment business. If Hollywood continues to get more and more extreme with woke content, they'll naturally alienate more and more people. We're starting to see a parallel economy in various industries.
NoLootBoxDev
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After reading a bit here:
To be honest I want to see it (when it hits disney+). If it flops, then the sooner it will be there...
Regarding to the Lesbian couple (I do not mind), I always place this questions to any media:
Does it helps with anything to the story?
Was it forced to make a quota?
Do they genderwashing (like in ghost in the shell) characters?
Due to those questions people will backslash media. In this case I have to say this was kind of expected. Also, I keep thinking, what if it was 2 guys? The movie would be a bigger bomb, Why? At least women look more "nicer" than 2 guys, and that is why they went with the lesbian duo.
At the end you are the customer and you have the right to purchase/refuse something.
At the same time, I bet a lot has watched this cartoon and had no issues at that time:
To be honest I want to see it (when it hits disney+). If it flops, then the sooner it will be there...
Regarding to the Lesbian couple (I do not mind), I always place this questions to any media:
Does it helps with anything to the story?
Was it forced to make a quota?
Do they genderwashing (like in ghost in the shell) characters?
Due to those questions people will backslash media. In this case I have to say this was kind of expected. Also, I keep thinking, what if it was 2 guys? The movie would be a bigger bomb, Why? At least women look more "nicer" than 2 guys, and that is why they went with the lesbian duo.
At the end you are the customer and you have the right to purchase/refuse something.
At the same time, I bet a lot has watched this cartoon and had no issues at that time:
Doom85
Member
Anime and manga have tons of LGBT characters. Hell, shonen and shojo have a good deal of them and in Japan those titles are read by fairly young boys and girls. And yet I never hear about Japanese parents freaking out over it and this is coming from a nation whose government is usually run by conservatives.
belmarduk
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Not to mention that, in the US, its Father's Day/Juneteenth Weekend. Kids don't get to pick the movies this weekend.. and Dads don't want to suffer through another Pixar movie.. and are opting for Jurassic Park and Top Gun instead.
Labolas
Member
I would disagree shonen and shoujo anime/manga are geared towards an older audience. Hence why they're for young male and female teenagers. Those series with gay or bisexual or even trans characters deal with more mature themes. Something similar to Lightyear movie would be a Yo Kai Watch, Doraemon, Shin Chan or Pokemon.
Doom85
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I’m pretty sure boys preteen and younger read Shonen Jump magazine in Japan. Not sure about preteen girls and younger reading shojo magazines but it wouldn’t surprise me. I’ve not read/watched My Hero Academia but I’ve heard it has a few ones (as in canon, not fans shipping). Same with Dr. Stone (not gotten to it either) as I heard a character is confirmed pansexual there. Bleach has Chizuru who was in love with Orihime. In terms of shonen outside of Jump, there’s Attack on Titan and CLAMP’s Tsubasa though I will say these are shonen probably aimed older.
But Jump itself? Nah, I’ve always understood preteens and even a bit younger will totally read those magazines.
Wheeljack539
Member
You also have to remember those shounen/shoujo ai titles are geared for that fanbase/audience and while such characters do appear time to time in regular shounen and some shoujo they tend to be background and/or comedy characters.
Japan however in my opinion does it right in how they market all their different types of manga and they will let them sink or swim on their own merits. Here in the West so far it's shove these characters in diversity's sake and blame "bigots" for if/when it fails.
Also, in regards to Japan do remember that a lot of stories are way to blow off steam for scenarios that cannot exist in their society as many here have no clue how uptight and stringent it is:
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Labolas
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Yeah, I'm not saying there isn't a preteen audience that aren't allowed to read SJ or Young Animal because I'm sure there is but saying shonen manga or anime is the same or have the same audience in general as Toy Story or Lightyear isn't correct. There's plenty of shonen anime and manga have dealt with more headier themes and were/are gruesome than what we get in the states. For example, Green Worldz is a shonen manga but had characters die in gruesome ways, and I would never say it's meant for preteen audience.
Jump itself has manga like this as well. But again it wouldn't be market the same way Lightyear movie would for a certain audience.
pramod
Banned
Of course some manga/anime will have LGBT stuff, but not the really popular mainstream ones.
If one day Dragonball has an LGBT character, then maybe you're right.
Wheeljack539
Member
Well, a few one offs but of the type that Era screams about.
MastaKiiLA
Member
Hehe, so much this. Beating around the bush of calling homosexuality immoral, because that's an opinion that has become increasingly unpopular/unacceptable in polite conversation. So, I always get the sense that the kids get used as props to project the parent's insecurities. Kids don't have opinions about homosexuality. They don't have opinions about any kind of sexuality. So any fears and concerns have to originate from the parents, and it comes down to good old-fashioned homophobia. You can dress it up any way you like, but it's the same energy.
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Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Absolutely and 100% what you're saying. In fact I mentioned that somewhere else that Japanese gaming and media so far is free of that stuff mostly but I'm hearing that more and more the Japanese are starting to inch to wokeness because of our influence.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Really interesting show tonight about what our military is doing on people with drug experimentation.
The stuff always scare the hell out of me especially since it involves LSD.
You can listen live here as the show is on right now.
https://kfiam640.iheart.com/featured/coast-to-coast-am/
Edit: wrong thread and wrong forum, actually. Sorry.
The stuff always scare the hell out of me especially since it involves LSD.
You can listen live here as the show is on right now.
https://kfiam640.iheart.com/featured/coast-to-coast-am/
Edit: wrong thread and wrong forum, actually. Sorry.
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MastaKiiLA
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One Piece? Ivankov and the Kamabakka Kingdom, Mr. 2 Bon Clay, and now Yamato. Ivankov was revealed back in 2009, before angry white men appropriated the word woke (RIP "Stay woke"). Mr 2 is from 2000.
HunterXHunter has Hisoka, who might be manga's first pansexual character, all the back in 1998. There are probably lots more, but I don't have time to look for dates for all of them.
DBZ isn't the only popular series, and there are many instances of LGBTQ characters in shonen, which are very much read by a lot of pre-teens. I mean, OP is on all the kids networks, and is hugely popular worldwide.
EDIT: In the end, I think this thread veered off in the direction it has because specious assumptions are being made for this film underperforming. If it was evidence of some mass exodus from Disney, then they should be suffering comprehensively, and not these odd films and shows here and there. There are probably issues relating to marketing and budgeting that factor way more heavily into this than political backlash. People who push that line always assume the rest of the public is as engrossed in the politics of life that they are. I think most people go through life with a sense of indifference to things that they aren't passionate about, and I don't think there is a ton of passion around inclusivity in Disney products. I always come back to the money in that regard, and I have to assume that the "woke" movement that some want to rail against is actually a money maker. Disney isn't altruistic, and I don't think there'd be a push to improve representation if there wasn't financial gain in it. That's why literally every media company that isn't pumping conservative conspiracies is getting on the bandwagon. If there wasn't money in it, there wouldn't be a major push industry-wide.
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Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I've seen a few examples of LGBT characters in Japanese games what not.
I think one of the Trails of Cold Steel games has a lesbian character. I can't remember her name off the bat but I think it's Elizabeth. She's not a major character or anything but if I recall correctly she is lesbian or at least bi.
In fact I think I've seen quite a bit of LGBT stuff in Japanese media but it's usually involving women.
Regardless it never comes off as woke or anything. And with a Japanese stuff it usually just seems to be LGBT and nothing about race or feminism or anything on that stuff, fortunately.
Edit: her name is Angelica.
https://kiseki.fandom.com/wiki/Angelica_Rogner
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lachesis
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Japanese depiction of homosexuality in those BL/GL elements in manga/anime/games... - I think it's more or less of some sub-culture or "idealized fantasy" than realistic representation of how homosexuality is often viewed in real life.
Even so, at least manga or anime usually tries to make the audience feel empathetic to the character, but western media and its actors seem to talk down to the audience.... and I think that's the big difference in approach. Ask any good mangaka and their editors about what their job is - and they'd say to provide content that the readers would enjoy and come back.
Even so, at least manga or anime usually tries to make the audience feel empathetic to the character, but western media and its actors seem to talk down to the audience.... and I think that's the big difference in approach. Ask any good mangaka and their editors about what their job is - and they'd say to provide content that the readers would enjoy and come back.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Yup yup yup yeah. That's pretty much what I was thinking but couldn't put it in to words.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
That’s funny as certain corners of the internet are pushing her as “the future of Marcel, the next evolution of the IP, etc”.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Except it doesn't. You don't become gay by watching stuff with gay representation, lol. You either are or you aren't. What MIGHT happen is that more people who actually are gay feel more comfortable coming out if they see more examples of it in mainstream media.
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FunkMiller
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This has largely happened because homosexuality has gone from being unacceptable to a large swathe of the population… to being unacceptable only to one very specific group of people. And they know this, and know they have to be more veiled about their bigotry.
strange headache
Banned
The mask is really slipping for some people.
All the threadbare arguments about tokenism, agendas and the forced representation are just a thinly veiled excuse to exclude homosexual characters from media.
If you think the mere depiction of same-sex parents in media is "propaganda", then you've truly gone off the deep end. This is where conservatives and religious nutjobs become just as bad as the progressive woke crowd. This is where all the whining about "freedom of speech" and "cancel culture" completely falls apart, as they gleefully organize to boycott and badmouth this movie through social media fearmongering.
Conservatives and Christian fundamentalists have more in common with Islam than they would like to admit, as the movie is being banned in 14 countries because of a harmless lesbian kiss, that isn't even sexual in nature. I'm with you on the woke stuff, but this here is where I draw the line and where I'm being reminded that conservatism is just as retarded as its woke counterpart.
You always complain that Western companies are too coward to promote homosexual content in Asia and the East, but this time Disney actually refused to edit the movie for the foreign market:
And you still complain. Also this time the same-sex stuff is actually an integral part of the story, is not hamfisted or glorified and presented in a totally organic manner... yet you still complain. You are just like the woke crowd, never satisfied!
Also big f*cking LOL at the people lauding anime and manga as some sort of healthy alternative, when anime has practically invented and popularized the androgynous protagonist. There is way more gay stuff in Japanese media than there is in Western media. It's also featured in many of their kid's shows, yet Japan hasn't turned gay yet. Never watch HxH, Yuri on Ice, Jujutsu Kaisen, Dr. Stone, Demon Slayer, JOJO or play Dragon Quest.
You're like the Jack Thompson's of this world, who thought that playing violent video games make people violent.
Go shove your scaremongering where the sun don't shine.
All the threadbare arguments about tokenism, agendas and the forced representation are just a thinly veiled excuse to exclude homosexual characters from media.
If you think the mere depiction of same-sex parents in media is "propaganda", then you've truly gone off the deep end. This is where conservatives and religious nutjobs become just as bad as the progressive woke crowd. This is where all the whining about "freedom of speech" and "cancel culture" completely falls apart, as they gleefully organize to boycott and badmouth this movie through social media fearmongering.
Conservatives and Christian fundamentalists have more in common with Islam than they would like to admit, as the movie is being banned in 14 countries because of a harmless lesbian kiss, that isn't even sexual in nature. I'm with you on the woke stuff, but this here is where I draw the line and where I'm being reminded that conservatism is just as retarded as its woke counterpart.
You always complain that Western companies are too coward to promote homosexual content in Asia and the East, but this time Disney actually refused to edit the movie for the foreign market:
And you still complain. Also this time the same-sex stuff is actually an integral part of the story, is not hamfisted or glorified and presented in a totally organic manner... yet you still complain. You are just like the woke crowd, never satisfied!
Also big f*cking LOL at the people lauding anime and manga as some sort of healthy alternative, when anime has practically invented and popularized the androgynous protagonist. There is way more gay stuff in Japanese media than there is in Western media. It's also featured in many of their kid's shows, yet Japan hasn't turned gay yet. Never watch HxH, Yuri on Ice, Jujutsu Kaisen, Dr. Stone, Demon Slayer, JOJO or play Dragon Quest.
You're like the Jack Thompson's of this world, who thought that playing violent video games make people violent.
Go shove your scaremongering where the sun don't shine.
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ikbalCO
Member
Well, lgbtqia+ people only make %1-2~ of world population (maybe less) but we see them in pretty much every production. This over representation makes it a propaganda imo.
Most of it feels too forced and directionless.
For example, I didnt mind or bothered by it for a long time until the character Robin from stranger things came out as gay. I wasnt annoyed she was a lesbian but i was annoyed because there was an actual chemistry between her and steve the whole 3rd season and you could feel the writers were like, "you know what we are lacking, a gay character"
Yeah sorry. Sometimes it makes perfect sense in context but sometimes it is obvious propaganda/agenda/virtue signaling etc.
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strange headache
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HoodWinked
Member
did you guys know this, that's a weird ass coincidence.
ikbalCO
Member
To have healthy duscussion, i think its best to focus on what we are talking about and not turn this into a slogan contest.
Obviously same sex couple or any couple or single people can be parents and can be great parents.
The issue is forcing it into every possible medium with out any reason or social foundation.
Again for example, i am turkish. Turkey is one of the biggest countries in the world with population of 90 million. My ancestor directly had an impact in asian european and middle eastern history. You dont see us anywhere? How come every content from the west has to represent lgbtqia community?
If representation matter that much, put a turk with a baklava into every show movie etc. and see what it happens
theclaw135
Banned
Producers insert it without fully understanding it. I've hardly ever seen actors cast that achieve gay chemistry, or scripts written to build up the moment well.
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