Place your bets: Batman v Superman vs Civil War vs Rogue One
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And even they don't get along much between shows.
Russo Bros =/= Whedon
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But Winter Soldier is
BronsonLee
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I'd say both TDK trilogy and Man of Steel, yes. Anecdote's the singular of data and all...I've heard BvS mentioned by friends, colleagues, and friends of friends...and every single time, the question is: why is Batman fighting Superman again? I understand why that's going to be completely dismissed here, but I think there's something to that. It's generating interest and conversation, no doubt. But in case my point was lost earlier in the shuffle, neither of those things necessarily translate into performance at the box office.
I think I understand the Raid 2 comparison you make, but I'd counter that such a thing is easier to accomplish when you're not dealing with established characters. Playing with expectations can be fun, but toy with the formula too much and you risk damaging the IP. To give some credit, I think Warner remedied that in the last trailer. But then they said fuck it and tossed WW into the mix, making the whole thing reek like the formulaic, me too, cash-grab that it is.
I think they'll suffer some as a result. Others don't. That's the fun in this nonsense.
So was Avengers 1.... Russo's are screweddddddd
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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1) Civil War
2) Civil War
3) Rogue One
4) Civil War
I'm a huge Star Wars fan, but I think the hype building behind Civil War plus all the Marvel characters appearing will have a much wider appeal then Rogue One. Finding the Death Star plans is very cool, but not sure it will have as wide an appeal.
ReplacementPelican
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People aren't saying it because it's Marvel necessarily but the Russo Brothers are darlings of ComicMovieGaf.
Anyway, my predictions:
Highest Gross: Batman VS Superman but it'll be very close.
Acclaim: Civil War. I would say Rogue One but with all the spoilers and comments we've got surrounding Civil War I assume it'll be beloved.
Which would I see: Civil War. It'd probably be the biggest spoilerific one. We've seen so much of BVS thanks to that awful, awful trailer and Rogue One ends with them stealing the Death Star plans. Sorry if that's a spoiler, I've actually seen it's sequel already!
GAF: Toss-up between Rogue One and Civil War. Probably Rogue One.
Highest Gross: Rogue One. Becase it's Starwars nostalgia extravaganza with Darth Vader, CGI Carrie Fisher and all in between.
Acclaim: Civil War. Marvel has the formula nailed down, and the Russos are the only ones of their directors so far that just get the characters as larger than life symbols, and not toys. It's gonna be great.
Which would I see: BvS. It's going to be visually arresting, and will have very interesting mature themes going on. Hope it delivers.
GAF: Surprisingly, I'd think BvS will gather the most goodwill here on GAF. CW could fall under the weight of their expectations while BvS is kind of the underdog going on here, and I think it will surprise a lot of people with its themes. If it fails to deliver on promises, then Civil War. Rogue One doesn't inspire me with confidence due to the cookie cutter screencrwiter and super mediocre director.
Acclaim: Civil War. Marvel has the formula nailed down, and the Russos are the only ones of their directors so far that just get the characters as larger than life symbols, and not toys. It's gonna be great.
Which would I see: BvS. It's going to be visually arresting, and will have very interesting mature themes going on. Hope it delivers.
GAF: Surprisingly, I'd think BvS will gather the most goodwill here on GAF. CW could fall under the weight of their expectations while BvS is kind of the underdog going on here, and I think it will surprise a lot of people with its themes. If it fails to deliver on promises, then Civil War. Rogue One doesn't inspire me with confidence due to the cookie cutter screencrwiter and super mediocre director.
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Oh man, I wish there were dozens of us. That'd be great. So many people!
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Discotheque
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considering how much i enjoyed cap 2 (except for the dreaded third act problem all these movies been running into lately) i wish i was more hyped for civil war.
after age of ultron the prospect of seeing a bunch of freaking avengers on screen again so soon really cuts down the hype for me. would have preferred if just iron man, black panther and spiderman made the appearance (ross as well of course, hurt rocks). but that would then likely undercut the whole CIVIL WAR angle.
hawkeye, witch and vision can go kick rocks tbh. especially scarlet witch. those accents...yikes.
after age of ultron the prospect of seeing a bunch of freaking avengers on screen again so soon really cuts down the hype for me. would have preferred if just iron man, black panther and spiderman made the appearance (ross as well of course, hurt rocks). but that would then likely undercut the whole CIVIL WAR angle.
hawkeye, witch and vision can go kick rocks tbh. especially scarlet witch. those accents...yikes.
What do you hate so much about that third act exactly? You always mention it but I've never seen you actually elaborate on why it's so bad.
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captain vs. bucky was a faaar more interesting feud. it didn't even need the big explosive finale (that ultimately got it that big worldwide gross no doubt, it seems like international audiences require this).
i'd have preferred it if they just had a faceoff rather than go the helicarrier giant cgi battle route. the action scenes peaked with that street fight for me.
and to top it off if you look at the run of avengers -> man of steel -> cap 2 - > guardians - > avengers 2 it's starting to all blend together for me. it's getting to be kinda boring now.
i don't got all the answers!!! (lol) so i dunno how exactly they could fix cap 2 considering how much that hydra crap was a part of the storyline, but a smaller and more choreographed climax would have been nice. something like cap vs GSP but longer considering he's facing bucky.
I'm with you 100% there. I'm tired of the CG crazy explosion-fest third acts
Doubt they really follow DC comics as a whole.
A lot of females watch Arrow because of Amell, that's it.
BronsonLee
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How the fuck do you top that street fight
HOW
HOW
So it's not so much that you found it to be poorly executed on a technical level and more that you felt the set piece was boring? I don't agree but that makes more sense.
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the raid 2 freaking had back to back fights with rama vs. baseball bat boy/hammer girl and then the kitchen scene.
mad max got crazier as it went on to the point where he was doing cirque du soleil on cars by the end of it.
anything is possible
BronsonLee
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Mad Max ain't fair man, that shit can't possibly happen again
SEPH YOU LITTLE SHIT
SEPH YOU LITTLE SHIT
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I'd have to agree with him. I LOVE Winter Soldier. Love it to death but I would have preferred it stuck to a more personal confrontation without the "millions will die by some super science sniper ships".
BronsonLee
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Back on topic - I genuinely hope all three movies do well. It would be nice to have DC and Marvel both have solid CU's. Star Wars is probably a slam dunk anyway.
The Mad Max comparison is interesting for me since I'm one of the dozen or so people on the planet that thought one of its few obvious flaws was the action feeling repetitive by the end of the movie. That was in large part a result of the plot having them turn around and go back exactly the way they came. I've rewatched the film several times and I always get a bit fatigued right around the moment the finale starts.
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black panther better body some heroes though. if they want the movie fans to see him as a stronger, smarter batman then i hope he gives them some work.
looking forward to russos's action scenes with him and spiderman most definitely. the stuff they did with black widow and the grappling hook was tight in cap 2. it was very batman-esque for me and was how i envisioned batman's movements should be.
edit: mad max is as loud as any of these films no doubt. with plenty of effects work to supplement it, but that's the big exception rather than just another example. the way it's filmed and the stuntwork involved, so good.
looking forward to russos's action scenes with him and spiderman most definitely. the stuff they did with black widow and the grappling hook was tight in cap 2. it was very batman-esque for me and was how i envisioned batman's movements should be.
edit: mad max is as loud as any of these films no doubt. with plenty of effects work to supplement it, but that's the big exception rather than just another example. the way it's filmed and the stuntwork involved, so good.
OmegaSmash
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BvS is going to be the way bigger movie, but I'm going to enjoy Cap 3 a lot more.
1. Rogue One, Batman v Superman, Civil War
2. Rogue One, Civil War, Batman v Superman
3. Rogue One, Civil War, Batman v Superman
4. Civil War, Rogue One, Batman v Superman
More detailed box office predictions...
OW:
Batman v Superman - 181M
Civil War - 166M
Rogue One - 147M
DOM:
Rogue One - 513M
Batman v Superman - 479M
Civil War - 414M
WW:
Batman v Superman - 1.386B
Rogue One - 1.263B
Civil War - 1.226B
Also, if we're talking about megablockbusters, this thread is sorely missing Finding Dory. Don't think it'll beat the bigger ones, but definitely could beat Civil War.
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fantastic beasts and finding dory are both being ignored. i feel like they could at least be as big as the comic book movies this year if not bigger. especially beasts with the international take.
Inferno313
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My point was that there are plenty of times that good art can totally be full of references and that being "full of references" has never been the reason a story has been bad. Stories fail when there are larger structural or character issues. Who's to even say that Barbara's appearance would be unnecessary? We don't know the larger context for it because we haven't seen the film.
It's fiction, none of it is "necessary" until the story-tellers make it so. There's nothing "necessary" about a story in which a man dresses up as a Bat to fight crime.
BronsonLee
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Beasts is basically Redmayne cashing in on all of his critical rep
It's hilarious thinking that the dude who started off as a freaking mute in Pillars of the Earth turned into The Danish Girl and then into MR. SCAMANDER
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I remember thinking who is this fish looking dork in black death. Dude was phenomenal in theory of everything tho. Was eh about the movie but that was definitely hawkings doppelganger
Deserves his success after seeing that
Deserves his success after seeing that
Inferno313
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Beasts will do very well, but I expect to see it somewhere in 4th or 5th place for the year, WW. It's not a true HP sequel, and it's a few years removed from the last film. I think, if it's good, Beasts 2 will absolutely be massive.
1- Rogue One
2- Rogue One... this is the hardest one for me as my head says Civil War, but my heart says Rogue One.
3- Rogue One
4- Rogue One
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Rogue One has zero hype because 99% of people do not know it exists yet.
Thinking on the big 'event' films of yesteryear - Jurassic Park revival, Star Wars revival, MCU team-up, Avatar 3d hype ... - I see Batman and Superman on screen together as rivaling those.
We just had a repeated event with the Avengers that faltered a tad, and that May schedule is jampacked. In spite of Disney's attempt to detach episode numbers from the titles of the movies, people will know that this is not a completely vital story to view. Vader or whoever being in it could tap into the nostalgic fuel that powered Force Awakens but Force Awakens progressed that nostalgia while Rogue One is completely based it in it - which could alienate some audiences.
Critical reception is all filmmaker based. The Russos had a great hit, but can they deliver again? Marvel certainly trusts them to. We haven't heard a peep out of Gareth Edward's production - rather that's good or bad is a huge question (especially with rumors of Christopher McQuarrie's cleanup efforts). I feel that Zack Snyder is waiting to make his masterpiece but never put together the right team - can BvS finally end his search?
To answer:
1) BvS > SW > CW
2) CW > BvS > SW
3) BvS
4) CW
Thinking on the big 'event' films of yesteryear - Jurassic Park revival, Star Wars revival, MCU team-up, Avatar 3d hype ... - I see Batman and Superman on screen together as rivaling those.
We just had a repeated event with the Avengers that faltered a tad, and that May schedule is jampacked. In spite of Disney's attempt to detach episode numbers from the titles of the movies, people will know that this is not a completely vital story to view. Vader or whoever being in it could tap into the nostalgic fuel that powered Force Awakens but Force Awakens progressed that nostalgia while Rogue One is completely based it in it - which could alienate some audiences.
Critical reception is all filmmaker based. The Russos had a great hit, but can they deliver again? Marvel certainly trusts them to. We haven't heard a peep out of Gareth Edward's production - rather that's good or bad is a huge question (especially with rumors of Christopher McQuarrie's cleanup efforts). I feel that Zack Snyder is waiting to make his masterpiece but never put together the right team - can BvS finally end his search?
To answer:
1) BvS > SW > CW
2) CW > BvS > SW
3) BvS
4) CW
Alright, I'm ready to stake it
Highest Grossing: Batman V. Superman
- All said and done, it's Star Wars, but Rogue One is in an unknown territory as a spinoff*. Civil War may have a lot of avengers, but this is first time Batman and Superman are together
Highest Critical Acclaim: Captain America Civil War
-Russo Bros. has better track records than the teams behind other two.
Best Received by GAF: Captain America Civil War
-See above. GAF will receive the films the same as any audience.
*Will not be really surpised if Rogue One is the highest grossing though, tough call.
If they were all released on the same day, which would you go see first?
-Batman v Superman - Because it's DC trinity together ever in the theater.
Highest Grossing: Batman V. Superman
- All said and done, it's Star Wars, but Rogue One is in an unknown territory as a spinoff*. Civil War may have a lot of avengers, but this is first time Batman and Superman are together
Highest Critical Acclaim: Captain America Civil War
-Russo Bros. has better track records than the teams behind other two.
Best Received by GAF: Captain America Civil War
-See above. GAF will receive the films the same as any audience.
*Will not be really surpised if Rogue One is the highest grossing though, tough call.
If they were all released on the same day, which would you go see first?
-Batman v Superman - Because it's DC trinity together ever in the theater.
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The music as well is goddamn glorious in that scene. Such a great - but restrained - action sequence.
You guys are crazy. Civil War is shitting on Iron Man 3.
If MCU hype was at an all time high after Avengers 1, explain how Age of Ultron made $1.4 billion?
Civil War is basically the real Avengers 2.
It absolutely will and the fact that it's still a "Captain America" film isn't really a negative. Iron Man, the character who has starred in 3 billion dollar movies in a row, has been all over the marketing since the very beginning. The fact that other superheroes will be in the film is well established. This Captain America film is coming off of what is generally accepted as one of the greatest comic book movies of all time (Winter Soldier). And yes, Spider-Man showing up as a "side-character" is going to be huge for this film. It's fucking SPIDER-MAN.
He's kind of a big deal.
Weird to me the lengths some will go to defend the "on first blush" shit marketing this movie has received. I can't speak to the movie, and I'm betting neither can you. So now we've expanded from my criticism of the crazy ass manner in which they've shit out character and plot elements in the trailers to discussing the necessity of superhero films?
Non sequitur tripe.
Inferno313
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You guys are crazy. Civil War is shitting on Iron Man 3.
If MCU hype was at an all time high after Avengers 1, explain how Age of Ultron made $1.4 billion?
Civil War is basically the real Avengers 2.
It absolutely will and the fact that it's still a "Captain America" film isn't really a negative. Iron Man, the character who has starred in 3 billion dollar movies in a row, has been all over the marketing since the very beginning. The fact that other superheroes will be in the film is well established. This Captain America film is coming off of what is generally accepted as one of the greatest comic book movies of all time (Winter Soldier). And yes, Spider-Man showing up as a "side-character" is going to be huge for this film. It's fucking SPIDER-MAN.
He's kind of a big deal.
Reposting what I posted in another thread about this graph, just seconds ago:
Also,
IM3 made 1.2 Billion because it was a related film that was released immediately after The Avengers.
AOU made 1.4 Billion because it was the direct sequel to the Avengers, and fell slightly short of projections because it's WoM and reviews were weaker than the first film, that's something that could affect Civil War.
I'm not even disagreeing that it'll be huge. I think it'll cross a billion, I think it'll just stay closer to 1 billion, than 1.5.
I was like this conversation feels familiar!
We just did it last week!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1190735&page=4
Inferno313
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I think you've likely picked out the top 3 grossers of 2016. I see Dory and Fantastic Beasts hanging out somewhere between 4th-6th place for the year.
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