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Examples of dirty screen effect.

Lots of people complained about DSE on the OLED Vita, I wouldn't be surprised to hear of it occurring on OLED TVs. If you purchase a TV that is a particularly egregious case, return it to either get a new TV of that same model or a different model.

Oh damn, i have seen that before. It was probably on the Panasonic VT30 plasma back then. But to be honest i never noticed it until someone on a forum started talking about it. I then put up some white pictures and i noticed it as well. It's best to never go looking for it, but if you notice it during gaming or movie/show watching clearly, yeah that sucks.

Man...all these expensive TV's and each with their own issues, frustrating to say the least. It would be so good if we could just buy a TV, not having to worry about issues and crap and enjoy it. Let's say i take the TV home (or have it delivered) and i try it out, i assume this DSE would mostly appear during bright things in games? So basically a sky or snow in games?
 
Would you suggest me a 37" to 42" Tv that I will mainly use for gaming please?
I'd like to go for a Sony TV since I've read some interesting stuff about them.

Thanks for help.
 
I would like to see some receipts to back up your claim

I work in the industry (for a distributor)...I don't own either set, but I have experience with them...and I know what I am talking about. I have been in the retail/custom install business for most of my adult life...and I know my stuff...I can also back up my advice with recommendations from ISF certified dealers who deal with these sets on a daily basis. My advice is free...and you are, of course, free to take it or ignore it.
 
I actually did mean SDE, Screen Door Effect.

I see it on every 1080p OLED. The pixel structure is visible from even 5+ feet away to me

Ahhh ok yeah I do know what you are saying now. i see that on the 1080p sets as well when I look at the demo units. I was thinking 4K for some reason, which I haven't seen it on at all. My bad, I kind of forgot that 1080p was a thing since I have only been looking at the 4K oled lol
 
Pulled the trigger on a Sony 65 850C yesterday among other things.

We'll see how this goes, not sold on LG OLED pricing or other issues.

I'll probably get another one next year, but this should do for now.

My thoughts are similar.

Got the 65 W850 today. My god the screen is huge. I cant go below this anymore.

If they had the LG OLED 55inch 910V I probably would have gone with that. But this will do for now, and ill upgrade to a 65inch or over 4K OLED when it matures a bit more and when 4K is more relevant.

Have you found any good Calibration settings?
 
Man...all these expensive TV's and each with their own issues, frustrating to say the least. It would be so good if we could just buy a TV, not having to worry about issues and crap and enjoy it. Let's say i take the TV home (or have it delivered) and i try it out, i assume this DSE would mostly appear during bright things in games? So basically a sky or snow in games?

I hear you. These threads drive me insane as I start caring about things I normally wouldn't have. It's my fault, but I end up feeling as you do. Anyway, does such a TV exist? Holding out for the HDR 4ks coming out next year. .
 
Just moved house, not even unpacked yet and don't even have my TV cabinet but my LG OLED has arrived and it's a beauty. First thing I did out of box was to adjust the default picture settings and it's just wow.

Did a quick test with the Bladerunner blu-ray and then MGSV...

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My thoughts are similar.

Got the 65 W850 today. My god the screen is huge. I cant go below this anymore.

If they had the LG OLED 55inch 910V I probably would have gone with that. But this will do for now, and ill upgrade to a 65inch or over 4K OLED when it matures a bit more and when 4K is more relevant.

Have you found any good Calibration settings?

Not yet, I'll start messing with it more this weekend. So far, the picture looks great, the Oppo did some heavy lifting for upscaling for Mad Max...bananas.

The OLEDs, just gotta wait. I'm so ready for that tech, but it has to mature some.
Is LG really the only one? I thought Panasonic is looking into this?
 
That looks incredible. What did it cost?
£1700 (GBP) - that included extra five year warranty and installation / setup. It was £2000 a few months ago so that's a recent drop in price but it's still quite high; but I figured what the hell - I only buy a new TV once every 7/8 years or so and with the house move why not splash out. Hehe.
 
Do all the LG oled screens have the same degree of curvature? I was looking at 1080p model in a shop the other week but i found the curved screen a huge turn-off, but in the photo posted above doesn't seem that noticeable...
 
Not yet, I'll start messing with it more this weekend. So far, the picture looks great, the Oppo did some heavy lifting for upscaling for Mad Max...bananas.

The OLEDs, just gotta wait. I'm so ready for that tech, but it has to mature some.
Is LG really the only one? I thought Panasonic is looking into this?

Panasonic has a Oled since the IFA, the only downside is the price, about 9.000 Euro or more...
 
Do all the LG oled screens have the same degree of curvature? I was looking at 1080p model in a shop the other week but i found the curved screen a huge turn-off, but in the photo posted above doesn't seem that noticeable...
This second generation of curved OLEDs from LG are all the same - very slight curvature. The first gens had a curve that was more pronounced; I think all manufaturers' first gen curved screens were quite obvious (which I also found a turn off) but the new ones from all are less noticeable.
 
Not sure if this is the right place to ask but I've noticed something a bit skewy with my current tv (Sony KDL-37s5500) & my Xbox One.

Every so often the picture drops out for a brief second resulting in a black screen.
I've tried many things and it seems like it might be HDMI audio related. If I turn the HDMI sound off completely on the Xbox then there are no picture drops.
I've tried various HDMI cables (picked up a high speed blue rigger one to double check), various resolution settings on the Xbox, pretty much most things. I can plug all my other devices in using the same ports & cables (PS4, PS3, 360, Wii, Wii U, Laptop) and none of them have this problem.

Unfortunately the TV doesn't really have any settings that I can change given it's age. Probably best just to drop it and buy a new one.
I can get a decent 40" (not fussed about Smart TV stuff) for under £500 right?
 
Are you using the TV features/HDMI passthrough?

Nah, unfortunately in the UK the TV services aren't available. I remember I did at some point attempt to set that up and then set everything back as it was afterwards. No passthrough either.

It might be worth pointing out that I've tried other televisions on the same console and they've been fine.
 
Question for experts or fellow LG EC9300V owners...

With regards to gaming, are there any particular picture mode or other settings I should be aware of to have on / off in order to get the lowest possible input lag? I've also noticed a few places mentioning "labeling the HDMI input to PC" but I thought this was essentially what putting the input into "Just Scan" achieved by getting rid of overscan or am I wrong... what exactly does this mean and if I re-label do I also need to adjust any other my existing pictures settings below?

For reference my picture settings (which you can see in the pics I posted further up this page):

Picture Mode:Expert 1
OLED Light: 57
Contrast: 75
Brightness: 41
H Sharpness: 10
V Sharpness: 10
Colour: 50
Tint: 0
Aspect Ratio: Just Scan

Expert Control
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Super Resolution: Off
Colour Gamut: Standard
Edge Enhancer: Off
Colour Filter: Off
Expert Pattern: Off
Gamma: 2.4

Picture Option
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Black Level: High
Real Cinema: On
Motion Eye Care: Off
TruMotion: Off
 
Question for experts or fellow LG EC9300V owners...

With regards to gaming, are there any particular picture mode or other settings I should be aware of to have on / off in order to get the lowest possible input lag? I've also noticed a few places mentioning "labeling the HDMI input to PC" but I thought this was essentially what putting the input into "Just Scan" achieved by getting rid of overscan or am I wrong... what exactly does this mean and if I re-label do I also need to adjust any other my existing pictures settings below?

There's a bit of a misconception when it comes to activating PC mode on an LG set. At least as it applies to my EC9300.

When you bring up the settings menu, under Quick Menu, you'll see HDMI Settings at the bottom. Select that, and on the right, you'll have the option to change the input label and icon. You can change the label to "PC", but that doesn't actually activate PC mode like it does in Samsung sets. You actually have to change the icon to PC, which is near the very bottom of a drop down list so it's easy to miss.

I'm not sure if the label renaming is required or not, because I set it as "PC" first. I just know that it didn't work until I changed the icon.

A combination of PC mode + game (under picture mode) will get you the lowest input lag on the EC9300.

In related news, I recently received one of those Leo Bodnar Lag Testers, and I noticed that the EC9300 has a new firmware update available. I haven't upgraded yet, because I'm going to do a before and after test to see if the input lag has changed.
 
There's a bit of a misconception when it comes to activating PC mode on an LG set. At least as it applies to my EC9300.

When you bring up the settings menu, under Quick Menu, you'll see HDMI Settings at the bottom. Select that, and on the right, you'll have the option to change the input label and icon. You can change the label to "PC", but that doesn't actually activate PC mode like it does in Samsung sets. You actually have to change the icon to PC, which is near the very bottom of a drop down list so it's easy to miss.

I'm not sure if the label renaming is required or not, because I set it as "PC" first. I just know that it didn't work until I changed the icon.

A combination of PC mode + game (under picture mode) will get you the lowest input lag on the EC9300.

In related news, I recently received one of those Leo Bodnar Lag Testers, and I noticed that the EC9300 has a new firmware update available. I haven't upgraded yet, because I'm going to do a before and after test to see if the input lag has changed.
Cool, thanks for explaining!

So presumably doing this, while reducing the input lag, will change the custom Expert 1 picture mode / settings I have since I'll be using the Game preset? Shame as I like the picture I have with those settings and it'lll be frustrating switching between the modes / settings when going from movie to game but oh well!

Is it possible to save a custom setting on one input and do a quick switch between that and one of the presets (on the same input)?

Interested to see the results of your testing! I noticed the firmware update too but haven't updated yet.
 
So presumably doing this, while reducing the input lag, will change the custom Expert 1 picture mode / settings I have since I'll be using the Game preset? Shame as I like the picture I have with those settings and it'lll be frustrating switching between the modes / settings when going from movie to game but oh well!

To be honest, as long as mine is in PC mode I can use Expert 1 & 2 settings and barely tell any difference in latency between those and Game mode. As soon as I change it out of PC mode I can feel the lag immediately. Give it a try!

Most of the processing is greyed out in the Expert settings when you're in PC mode anyway, but you can still use Super Resolution, which I like on some games as long as it's set to low. Anything above that is horrible, but the little local contrast boost is nice for some things.

I'd love to see the difference in latency between Expert and Game mode when the HDMI input is set properly to PC. It has to be less than 10ms I reckon.
 
To be honest, as long as mine is in PC mode I can use Expert 1 & 2 settings and barely tell any difference in latency between those and Game mode. As soon as I change it out of PC mode I can feel the lag immediately. Give it a try!

Most of the processing is greyed out in the Expert settings when you're in PC mode anyway, but you can still use Super Resolution, which I like on some games as long as it's set to low. Anything above that is horrible, but the little local contrast boost is nice for some things.

I'd love to see the difference in latency between Expert and Game mode when the HDMI input is set properly to PC. It has to be less than 10ms I reckon.
Yeah I'd like to know that too, but great that it's an option to keep the Expert1 settings in PC mode - will give it a try. :)
 
Cool, thanks for explaining!

So presumably doing this, while reducing the input lag, will change the custom Expert 1 picture mode / settings I have since I'll be using the Game preset? Shame as I like the picture I have with those settings and it'lll be frustrating switching between the modes / settings when going from movie to game but oh well!

Is it possible to save a custom setting on one input and do a quick switch between that and one of the presets (on the same input)?

Interested to see the results of your testing! I noticed the firmware update too but haven't updated yet.

Yeah, game mode has its own settings and can't be calibrated as well as expert. I know what you mean about not wanting to switch depending on what your watching.

I'm stuck at work ATM, but IIRC the settings are stored per picture mode, per input, per display mode (PC mode on/off). I don't believe there are multiple presets for each picture mode on the same input unless your toggling in and out of PC mode, which is slower than just changing the picture mode.

I'd love to see the difference in latency between Expert and Game mode when the HDMI input is set properly to PC. It has to be less than 10ms I reckon.

Yeah I'd like to know that too, but great that it's an option to keep the Expert1 settings in PC mode - will give it a try. :)

I'll definitely be testing the difference between PC + game and PC + expert. Hopefully I'll have the results sometime tomorrow.
 
Anyone looking for a monstrous gaming TV would also do well to look at Samsung's JS8500 line. It comes in a 48, 55, and 65. I've had the 55 for a few weeks now, and the IQ for things like blurays and games is stunning. It's an amazing TV. Destiny and Avatar have both been jaw dropping.
 
Someone on AVSForum claims to be going to pick up the new flat LG OLED today. I'm excited because I plan on picking one up in 6-7 months or so when it has gotten some discounts. Hope the input lag is better.
 
Due to certain circumstances i have to be a little more patient with getting that new TV, yes, still very much aiming for that LG EC9300, but the problem is, i just cannot try it out before buying. I keep hearing how amazing the picture quality is, mostly. Would you guys (who've seen it, demoed games on it, own it etc...) say it's probably among the best if not best picture quality so far? So that's comparing the EC9300 to any of the Sony and Samsung sets from this year in the same price range or actually a little lower. I just need to know this, otherwise i might as well spend a lot less on a TV and get one right now. But something tells me i'd regret that decision. So i just need to know if it's truly worth playing games on this small ass 22 inch screen until i can buy the LG badboy. Cause i keep hearing praise, but some good comparisons to the other brands would really be good too.

Thanks in reply.
 
Due to certain circumstances i have to be a little more patient with getting that new TV, yes, still very much aiming for that LG EC9300, but the problem is, i just cannot try it out before buying. I keep hearing how amazing the picture quality is, mostly. Would you guys (who've seen it, demoed games on it, own it etc...) say it's probably among the best if not best picture quality so far? So that's comparing the EC9300 to any of the Sony and Samsung sets from this year in the same price range or actually a little lower. I just need to know this, otherwise i might as well spend a lot less on a TV and get one right now. But something tells me i'd regret that decision.

Thanks in reply.

No, I don't think it is. It DOES have impressive black levels, but I find the video processing and scaling to be less than stellar.

Many will disagree with this opinion...but I just can't see spending the price they are asking for a picture of this quality. Personally, despite having a higher absolute black level, I FAR prefer the Samsung JS9500 series sets. Not only are they several thousand dollars less expensive, but they are HARDWARE upgradable. When HDMI 2.1 or DisplayPort 1.3 or whatever else becomes the next standard, you can upgrade the inputs on the Samsung displays, as well as the video processor and the rest of the "guts" of the set. No other set has this capability.

I HIGHLY suggest that you view the set in person before making a purchasing decision...When this amount of money is on the line, you owe it to yourself to find a dealer in your area who can give you a demo. DO NOT rely on a set in a Best Buy (or even a BB/Magnolia store to give you an impression. You really need to see both of these sets CALIBRATED by an ISF certified professional!

Also, understand that the LG OLED sets are NOT "true" OLED sets. They are OLED BACKLIT LCD screens! The Samsung OLED 55" (that is now discontinued) was a true OLED, with red, green and blue OLED elements. LG screens use WHITE OLED elements, which do give pixel by pixel illumination, but you still have an LCD panel in front of the OLED elements (they refuse to call it that, instead calling it a "color filter"...when I pressed the LG rep on how they were controlling the color, he said it was controlled by a TFT layer...so, yeah, it's an LCD panel, but with OLED backlighting).

In short, don't pay extra for the hype. The LG OLEDs are good sets, but not worth the premium they are asking for them. They are cashing in on the OLED hype to sell them, NOT by having the best picture available.
 
Finally got a chance to sit down with my TV and setup the wall mount and Bias lighting, I need to do some cord management still, but I'm smitten with the JS9000. It's such a huge leap over my previous Vizio P series TV.

Sorry for the bad photo, the AWB on my phone is throwing it off substantially. When I get a chance I'll get out my DSLR and attempt to take a few good shots so people considering the Samsung's have better reference.

 
No, I don't think it is. It DOES have impressive black levels, but I find the video processing and scaling to be less than stellar.

Many will disagree with this opinion...but I just can't see spending the price they are asking for a picture of this quality. Personally, despite having a higher absolute black level, I FAR prefer the Samsung JS9500 series sets. Not only are they several thousand dollars less expensive, but they are HARDWARE upgradable. When HDMI 2.1 or DisplayPort 1.3 or whatever else becomes the next standard, you can upgrade the inputs on the Samsung displays, as well as the video processor and the rest of the "guts" of the set. No other set has this capability.

I HIGHLY suggest that you view the set in person before making a purchasing decision...When this amount of money is on the line, you owe it to yourself to find a dealer in your area who can give you a demo. DO NOT rely on a set in a Best Buy (or even a BB/Magnolia store to give you an impression. You really need to see both of these sets CALIBRATED by an ISF certified professional!

Also, understand that the LG OLED sets are NOT "true" OLED sets. They are OLED BACKLIT LCD screens! The Samsung OLED 55" (that is now discontinued) was a true OLED, with red, green and blue OLED elements. LG screens use WHITE OLED elements, which do give pixel by pixel illumination, but you still have an LCD panel in front of the OLED elements (they refuse to call it that, instead calling it a "color filter"...when I pressed the LG rep on how they were controlling the color, he said it was controlled by a TFT layer...so, yeah, it's an LCD panel, but with OLED backlighting).

In short, don't pay extra for the hype. The LG OLEDs are good sets, but not worth the premium they are asking for them. They are cashing in on the OLED hype to sell them, NOT by having the best picture available.

LOLWAT are you even talking about? LCD backlit? Come'on dude. They are white OLED's with RGB color filters. They are self emissive (create their own light), there is no backlight and there is no LCD. The EC9300 guy you quoted was referring to is the 1080p model that has routinely sold for $1500-$1800 on sale. Samsung's JS9500 starts at like $5k.
 
No, I don't think it is. It DOES have impressive black levels, but I find the video processing and scaling to be less than stellar.

Many will disagree with this opinion...but I just can't see spending the price they are asking for a picture of this quality. Personally, despite having a higher absolute black level, I FAR prefer the Samsung JS9500 series sets. Not only are they several thousand dollars less expensive, but they are HARDWARE upgradable. When HDMI 2.1 or DisplayPort 1.3 or whatever else becomes the next standard, you can upgrade the inputs on the Samsung displays, as well as the video processor and the rest of the "guts" of the set. No other set has this capability.

I HIGHLY suggest that you view the set in person before making a purchasing decision...When this amount of money is on the line, you owe it to yourself to find a dealer in your area who can give you a demo. DO NOT rely on a set in a Best Buy (or even a BB/Magnolia store to give you an impression. You really need to see both of these sets CALIBRATED by an ISF certified professional!

Also, understand that the LG OLED sets are NOT "true" OLED sets. They are OLED BACKLIT LCD screens! The Samsung OLED 55" (that is now discontinued) was a true OLED, with red, green and blue OLED elements. LG screens use WHITE OLED elements, which do give pixel by pixel illumination, but you still have an LCD panel in front of the OLED elements (they refuse to call it that, instead calling it a "color filter"...when I pressed the LG rep on how they were controlling the color, he said it was controlled by a TFT layer...so, yeah, it's an LCD panel, but with OLED backlighting).

In short, don't pay extra for the hype. The LG OLEDs are good sets, but not worth the premium they are asking for them. They are cashing in on the OLED hype to sell them, NOT by having the best picture available.


I forgot to mention that I am aiming for the 55 inch ec9300, which right now is 1949 euros or so. The Samsung js9500 starts at 5000 I believe. Then there's the 9000 and 8500 series, where the 55 inch js8500 is closest to the LG in terms of price.
 
Many will disagree with this opinion...but I just can't see spending the price they are asking for a picture of this quality. Personally, despite having a higher absolute black level, I FAR prefer the Samsung JS9500 series sets. Not only are they several thousand dollars less expensive, but they are HARDWARE upgradable. When HDMI 2.1 or DisplayPort 1.3 or whatever else becomes the next standard, you can upgrade the inputs on the Samsung displays, as well as the video processor and the rest of the "guts" of the set. No other set has this capability.

I HIGHLY suggest that you view the set in person before making a purchasing decision...When this amount of money is on the line, you owe it to yourself to find a dealer in your area who can give you a demo. DO NOT rely on a set in a Best Buy (or even a BB/Magnolia store to give you an impression. You really need to see both of these sets CALIBRATED by an ISF certified professional!

In this thread I always recommend the EC9300 not the 4K OLEDs due to their exorbitant price right now.

Also, this is the second time you told someone in the thread not to get an OLED that was considering the EC9300. So what is a better option in the price range? There are no Plasmas available anymore, used ones like the F8500 will cost almost as much as a EC9300 on sale, FALD is out except at the absolute top end of 4K LCD - so you're looking at 2X the price minimum. And any edgelit LCD will be far, far inferior.
 
LG 55EC9300 Input Lag Test Results

PC Mode: ON

Firmware 04.32.20
Picture Mode:
Game 32.3ms
Expert1 40.7ms

Firmware 04.45.04
Picture Mode:
Game 31.1ms
Expert1 40.7ms

These results are from the Bodnar lag tester's mid-screen readings.

So no change really. Like general_garcia guessed, the difference between Game and Expert is under 10ms. So it's not a huge sacrifice if your priority is better calibration. Expert1 had 20-point white balance enabled by the way.

Enabling PC Mode

I just want to clarify how this is done. Under Quick Settings > HDMI# Settings, you have the option to change the icon and the label for the current input. Changing the icon to PC (it's near the bottom of the dropdown) is what's required to enable PC mode. Changing the text label made no difference in my testing.
 
LG 55EC9300 Input Lag Test Results

PC Mode: ON

Firmware 04.32.20
Picture Mode:
Game 32.3ms
Expert1 40.7ms

Firmware 04.45.04
Picture Mode:
Game 31.1ms
Expert1 40.7ms

These results are from the Bodnar lag tester's mid-screen readings.

So no change really. Like general_garcia guessed, the difference between Game and Expert is under 10ms. So it's not a huge sacrifice if your priority is better calibration. Expert1 had 20-point white balance enabled by the way.

Enabling PC Mode

I just want to clarify how this is done. Under Quick Settings > HDMI# Settings, you have the option to change the icon and the label for the current input. Changing the icon to PC (it's near the bottom of the dropdown) is what's required to enable PC mode. Changing the text label made no difference in my testing.

If you disable speakers you have more lag reduced, could you rerun the test after disabling the speakers, turn off hdd power saving and auto update off.

You will get under 30ms easily, also what is the bottom bar number?
Also you enabled game Mode first before changing the pc icon correct? You have to disable edgeenhancement etc in game mode before changing icon to pc, this to reduces lag.

Many thanks!
 
Using an OLED for the first time to watch Blade Runner. I'm... Proud of you.
;-)

And thanks for those test results! I think for most games I can live with the expert1 setting response times but for some (Destiny, Street Fighter) I'll go into PC mode and the game picture mode.
 
In this thread I always recommend the EC9300 not the 4K OLEDs due to their exorbitant price right now.

Also, this is the second time you told someone in the thread not to get an OLED that was considering the EC9300. So what is a better option in the price range? There are no Plasmas available anymore, used ones like the F8500 will cost almost as much as a EC9300 on sale, FALD is out except at the absolute top end of 4K LCD - so you're looking at 2X the price minimum. And any edgelit LCD will be far, far inferior.


I just checked and the Samsung JS8500 (at the moment actually pricier than the OLED) and that one is edge lit. It sounds like i'm just gonna have to see it for myself. While i absolutely love the idea of ordering a TV and being blown away (or disappointed, lol) for the first time in my own home, instead of in some store...the risk is too big. Unless i can find a store that is really easygoing and not too strict and let's me fully demo it out for a few hours before coming to a conclusion. As with most things, it applies here as well, the best judge is yourself.
 
LG 55EC9300 Input Lag Test Results

PC Mode: ON

Firmware 04.32.20
Picture Mode:
Game 32.3ms
Expert1 40.7ms

Firmware 04.45.04
Picture Mode:
Game 31.1ms
Expert1 40.7ms

These results are from the Bodnar lag tester's mid-screen readings.

So no change really. Like general_garcia guessed, the difference between Game and Expert is under 10ms. So it's not a huge sacrifice if your priority is better calibration. Expert1 had 20-point white balance enabled by the way.

Enabling PC Mode

I just want to clarify how this is done. Under Quick Settings > HDMI# Settings, you have the option to change the icon and the label for the current input. Changing the icon to PC (it's near the bottom of the dropdown) is what's required to enable PC mode. Changing the text label made no difference in my testing.

Thanks for the results - interested in seeing if the WebOS 2.0 update brings any further improvements. I think it's due later this month.
 
If you disable speakers you have more lag reduced, could you rerun the test after disabling the speakers, turn off hdd power saving and auto update off.

You will get under 30ms easily, also what is the bottom bar number?
Also you enabled game Mode first before changing the pc icon correct? You have to disable edgeenhancement etc in game mode before changing icon to pc, this to reduces lag.

Many thanks!

I had all those settings off during my testing. Edge enhancement isn't available in game mode (in or out of PC mode), but it is available in expert (where I keep such things off).

There were times when I got 29ms or even 34ms, but 31-32ms was the most consistent result over dozens of tests. The bottom bar is consistenly +3-4ms and top -3-4ms.
 
I had all those settings off during my testing. Edge enhancement isn't available in game mode (in or out of PC mode), but it is available in expert (where I keep such things off).

There were times when I got 29ms or even 34ms, but 31-32ms was the most consistent result over dozens of tests. The bottom bar is consistenly +3-4ms and top -3-4ms.


Awesome! Have you seen any instances of image retention?
 
I'm re-decorating my room soon, and I was just wondering if, for a TV wall, there is anything I should look at or if it does not really make a difference in viewing experience.
 
Not yet, and I've owned it for about 11 months now. I'm sensitive to IR too, because I used to have a Panasonic VT60 which had frequent IR from game HUDs. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but I've been lucky so far.


You play alot of games on it? Couple hrs aday?
 
You play alot of games on it? Couple hrs aday?

Usually a couple of hours a day of gaming or Netflix. I don't have time for long gaming sessions these days, so that's why I wont rule out the possibility of IR or burn-in.

I remember you had this set. Did you ever run into issues?
 
Usually a couple of hours a day of gaming or Netflix. I don't have time for long gaming sessions these days, so that's why I wont rule out the possibility of IR or burn-in.

I remember you had this set. Did you ever run into issues?


The entire time I had it, not one once of image retention. All I used it for was for games.

I have seen some ec9300's at Best Buy with severe image retention/burn in but they have them in vivid mode and have the samething looped over and over for 12hrs aday, 7 days a week so I dont feel that is a fair take on whether these displays in a normal home use with much less intense non vivid modes would fair.

I had got rid of it because at the time I needed some money. Otherwise I would still have it, an amazing display for sure :)
 
Guys here's probably a weird Q. I'm a complete noob when it comes to TV's. One of my colleagues at the university is moving out and he has this nice looking tv. 60 inch i think with some nice speakers he attached for better sound.

It's a bit of an old tv tho and tbh I don't know if it's worth the asking price (he is saying $300 but i think i can get it for $250-275).

It has one of those bumps that old tvs used to have in the back. it's a Sony. I apologize but I couldn't get the model info from him. But he mentioned something about the tv winning some award at CES at the time or something too.

Sorry about the vague description. I'll try and get more info when I see him next. Just thought I would ask for your opinion here. I would use it mainly for games and to watch sports.
 
rtings finally reviewed their first OLED set. A little late but w/e, they have their settings up for those who own the 9300.

Interestingly enough their review came out 2 days ago I believe but they are getting 40 ms input lag as opposed to the lower 30s EasyMode showed here. Wonder what the difference was here
 
Guys here's probably a weird Q. I'm a complete noob when it comes to TV's. One of my colleagues at the university is moving out and he has this nice looking tv. 60 inch i think with some nice speakers he attached for better sound.

It's a bit of an old tv tho and tbh I don't know if it's worth the asking price (he is saying $300 but i think i can get it for $250-275).

It has one of those bumps that old tvs used to have in the back. it's a Sony. I apologize but I couldn't get the model info from him. But he mentioned something about the tv winning some award at CES at the time or something too.

Sorry about the vague description. I'll try and get more info when I see him next. Just thought I would ask for your opinion here. I would use it mainly for games and to watch sports.
That doesnt sound like a very good deal. If the tv is that old, he should be lucky to get rid of it for free so he doesn't have to haul it to the dump.
 
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