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[ACH1LL3US]

rtings finally reviewed their first OLED set. A little late but w/e, they have their settings up for those who own the 9300.

Interestingly enough their review came out 2 days ago I believe but they are getting 40 ms input lag as opposed to the lower 30s EasyMode showed here. Wonder what the difference was here

They labeled the input pc but in order to get the lower lag you have to actually change the image to pc in and have game mode enganged to get the lower lag. Rtings uses the Leo Bodnar aswell so its just a matter of doing these funky settings to get the lower lag and they didnt do it correctly.

 

[DirtyLarry]

I started another thread not knowing this thread existed.

Any help would be appreciated. Here is what I posted...

I need your help GAF., What is the best, 60-65" HDTV in the $1000-$1250 price range?

• For Console Gaming (XBox One, PS4, WiiU, PS3)
• 60-65" Is Preferred Size
• 3D Is Nice but Not Necessary
• I am thinking it will only support 1080p. I am fine with this.*

My parents are moving in with me soon and as a result they are going to take over my current TV Room and myself and my wife will be taking over another living room I always referred to as the museum as we never used it.
This is a pretty tough move for all involved, so I want to give my parents my current TV. It is a big step up for them and they watch a lot of TV due to health issues. I want them to enjoy a nicer TV as not much else has gone good for them the past few years.

I love my current TV. It is a 55" Sony Bravia XBR HX929. I am incredibly happy with it.

There is a lot of other shit I have to purchase as well, practical shit, and my wife was not what one would call terribly happy with me saying I was going to pick up a new TV. However once I told her why I wanted to give our current TV to my parents, she was completely all for it. She gets it.

Because of all of the other practical shit I still need to buy, it goes without saying the less I can spend the better.

* Why (I'm Pretty Sure) I am Deciding Against 4K (Unless Someone Can Show Me An Affordable Set in my Range)
I have been looking at 4K TV's the past few days and I just am not sure I can justify the additional cost when I currently have nothing capable of running 4K at native res and I am not sure when I will.
I also figure when I am really ready for 4K with my components, the prices of the sets will be better along with the technology behind them.
From what I am seeing I am looking at no less than $1800 for a 4K TV, which is also still kind of "low end" as far as specifications for 4K TV's.
Perhaps that is not the case and it is the high end, but truth be told $1800 is definitely more than I prefer to spend.

$1000-$1250 for this new TV would be the perfect spend.
I am also thinking the jump to 60-65 inch is a no brainer.

The room myself and my wife are going into is larger, so viewing distance is further, so bigger (than 55") would be ideal.

Besides looking at 4K sets the past few days online and in person at Best Buy earlier today, I have not really been paying attention to much of anything when it comes to TV's as I just did not think I would be picking one up anytime soon. This is why I am looking for some suggestions.

I will end this by saying I am definitely partial to Sony and Samsung, but will try my best to not be bias if people present something else.

Basically I am thinking that because of the fact I prefer not to spend over $1250 and I prefer make the jump to 60-65", I will end up with a 1080p set.
However everyone knows my parameters and knows why they are in place, so I am open to any and all suggestions.

TIA GAF,
DL

 

[Futurematic]

Amazon currently sells the top Rtings TV (and also well reviewed at Cnet and The Wirecutter) for your price range, size, and 1080p for 1200, the Samsung UN60J6300.

Or you could go for the generally accepted best price performance ratio and pick up a Vizio E series, the 65" model currently being 1000 (though under review, so save more money on 60" or 1300-1400 for 70" perhaps.)

Or find a new 2014 high end 1080p set for a good discount, as 2015 TVs that nice now only come in 4k.

 

[general_garcia]

LG 55EC9300 Input Lag Test Results

Thank you for doing this, much appreciated!

 

[Outdoor Miner]

I started another thread not knowing this thread existed.

Any help would be appreciated. Here is what I posted...

I grabbed a Vizio M60-C3 for $1169 @ Best Buy (w/ mover's coupon). I am coming from a mid-range Samsung plasma from 2013. I have been absolutely thrilled with my purchase and can say scaling of PS4/XB1 games is fantastic with minimal input lag. If you're gonna research be sure you're looking into the 2015 M series as I've read its quite a jump from the prior year's models.

 

[exmachina64]

Guys here's probably a weird Q. I'm a complete noob when it comes to TV's. One of my colleagues at the university is moving out and he has this nice looking tv. 60 inch i think with some nice speakers he attached for better sound.

It's a bit of an old tv tho and tbh I don't know if it's worth the asking price (he is saying $300 but i think i can get it for $250-275).

It has one of those bumps that old tvs used to have in the back. it's a Sony. I apologize but I couldn't get the model info from him. But he mentioned something about the tv winning some award at CES at the time or something too.

Sorry about the vague description. I'll try and get more info when I see him next. Just thought I would ask for your opinion here. I would use it mainly for games and to watch sports.

Those TVs are called CRTs; they have been obsolete for some time and your colleague is ripping you off.

 

[DirtyLarry]

Amazon currently sells the top Rtings TV (and also well reviewed at Cnet and The Wirecutter) for your price range, size, and 1080p for 1200, the Samsung UN60J6300.

Or you could go for the generally accepted best price performance ratio and pick up a Vizio E series, the 65" model currently being 1000 (though under review, so save more money on 60" or 1300-1400 for 70" perhaps.)

Or find a new 2014 high end 1080p set for a good discount, as 2015 TVs that nice now only come in 4k.

I grabbed a Vizio M60-C3 for $1169 @ Best Buy (w/ mover's coupon). I am coming from a mid-range Samsung plasma from 2013. I have been absolutely thrilled with my purchase and can say scaling of PS4/XB1 games is fantastic with minimal input lag. If you're gonna research be sure you're looking into the 2015 M series as I've read its quite a jump from the prior year's models.

Thanks for the replies.
Outdoor Miner what is a Best Buy mover's coupon??

So Vizio is a legit contender these days huh? And I am really not trying to make a joke there, I am genuinely curious. I was not even looking at their sets as the name to me just meant bargain. But now it looks like it may just mean they are competitive. When I purchased my current TV about 4 years ago I do not recall many sites or people recommending them, and I see that has changed. Now that I am doing research on them, they seem legit for sure.

Hell, if Vizio is legit, I can do their 60 or 65 inch M series sets, 65 is a bit more than I wanted to spend, but both also support 4K, and also have the whole future proof thing going for me.
Or I can stick with 60 and stay exactly in my price range.

Doing some more research since my first reply, the Vizio M60-C3 seems like it might be the TV that meets all my needs, price range, and also allows me to get some 4K capabilities for if and when I get the content. I think we may have a winner. Still open to more feedback, but I do think this may be the set I wind up going with.

 

[B.O.O.M]

That doesnt sound like a very good deal. If the tv is that old, he should be lucky to get rid of it for free so he doesn't have to haul it to the dump.

Those TVs are called CRTs; they have been obsolete for some time and your colleague is ripping you off.

Yeah I figured as much and I said no. Thanks guys.

Have my eye on a 42inch LG in amazon. Might cave and get it in a month or so..maybe even wait until black Friday.

 

[Fiznu]

LOLWAT are you even talking about? LCD backlit? Come'on dude. They are white OLED's with RGB color filters. They are self emissive (create their own light), there is no backlight and there is no LCD. The EC9300 guy you quoted was referring to is the 1080p model that has routinely sold for $1500-$1800 on sale. Samsung's JS9500 starts at like $5k.

What do you think those filters are? They are lcd "filters" controlled by a TFT layer. I got that straight from LG themselves. The emmisive element is WHITE ONLY. It ONLY provides backlighting.

 

[Fiznu]

I forgot to mention that I am aiming for the 55 inch ec9300, which right now is 1949 euros or so. The Samsung js9500 starts at 5000 I believe. Then there's the 9000 and 8500 series, where the 55 inch js8500 is closest to the LG in terms of price.

Sorry, I thought you were talking about the 4k model.

Go for the 8500 series then. The only thing the 9000 adds vs the 8500 is a curved screen.

 

[Jigolo]

The JS9000 also has better input lag for games.

 

[WHOAguitarninja]

What do you think those filters are? They are lcd "filters" controlled by a TFT layer. I got that straight from LG themselves. The emmisive element is WHITE ONLY. It ONLY provides backlighting.

Why does this matter though? This seems, to me, a nice way to circumvent the inherent problems with non-even aging of different colored OLED components.

 

[x3sphere]

Why does this matter though? This seems, to me, a nice way to circumvent the inherent problems with non-even aging of different colored OLED components.

Apparently RGB OLED colors are more accurate although it's worth noting that the EC9300 won out overall against the Samsung OLED in a Value Electronics shootout last year...

Sorry, I thought you were talking about the 4k model.

Go for the 8500 series then. The only thing the 9000 adds vs the 8500 is a curved screen.

The JS8500/9000 aren't even in the same league as the EC9300 in my opinion. Not saying they are bad sets, just massively overpriced. You're paying a huge premium just for HDR...

 

[ATXAlchemy]

Do you guys think there's a chance for small OLED monitors/TVs (17~25 inches) to be in the more affordable ranges in the next three years?

Due space constraints, I can't buy huge monitors/TVs. What's up with OLED being only for either small devices (phones/tablets) or big ones (50+ inches) but nothing much in the middle? Is there no market for such?

 

[Haint]

What do you think those filters are? They are lcd "filters" controlled by a TFT layer. I got that straight from LG themselves. The emmisive element is WHITE ONLY. It ONLY provides backlighting.

They're exactly as described, literal RGB filters. There is absolutely no liquid crystal "LCD" layer to LG's OLED's. You are trying to represent their design as being some sort of FALD LCD, suggesting "OLED" is just a marketing gimmick like when the manufacturers tried to represent the switch from CCFL to LED backlights as being some wholly new "LED Display" technology. That couldn't be any further from the reality. The liquid crystal layer is why LCD's suck in the first place. It is the active element that is responsible for the shitty black levels and response time. The color filters are merely passive. The active element in LG's OLED are just that, the OLED's. There is no LCD.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Do you guys think there's a chance for small OLED monitors/TVs (17~25 inches) to be in the more affordable ranges in the next three years?

Due space constraints, I can't buy huge monitors/TVs. What's up with OLED being only for either small devices (phones/tablets) or big ones (50+ inches) but nothing much in the middle? Is there no market for such?

The constant showing of the Windows taskbar on a computer monitor would murder an OLED panel.

There are many, many Samsung phones out there with the Android notification bar burned into the display. My Galaxy Note II has some minor burn-in after 3 years of ownership, my Galaxy Nexus has really severe burn-in where the on-screen buttons are displayed, and phone displays aren't even meant to be on all the time like computer monitors and TVs, and computer monitors in particular show static images for hours and hours.

There won't be OLED computer monitors for the same reason there were never plasma computer monitors.

 

[Mohonky]

Those TVs are called CRTs; they have been obsolete for some time and your colleague is ripping you off.

He said it was 60". I highly soubt its a CRT, unless its a rear projection.

 

[Haint]

He said it was 60". I highly soubt its a CRT, unless its a rear projection.

My guess would be on LCOS (SXRD Grand Wega). They were mid 00's era rear projection, competed with DLP's.

 

[x3sphere]

The constant showing of the Windows taskbar on a computer monitor would murder an OLED panel.

There are many, many Samsung phones out there with the Android notification bar burned into the display. My Galaxy Note II has some minor burn-in after 3 years of ownership, my Galaxy Nexus has really severe burn-in where the on-screen buttons are displayed, and phone displays aren't even meant to be on all the time like computer monitors and TVs, and computer monitors in particular show static images for hours and hours.

There won't be OLED computer monitors for the same reason there were never plasma computer monitors.

I would not be so sure.

There's probably a lot more that can be done to minimize IR/burn in. At any rate, LG is selling through all its OLED panels right now so I don't think they even have the capacity to build monitors. We'll see what happens as production expands... likely going to be 2-3 years out until products other than TVs are considered at least for LG.

 

[Outdoor Miner]

Thanks for the replies.
Outdoor Miner what is a Best Buy mover's coupon??

Sorry for the late response. The mover's coupon is acquired when you submit an address change request at the post office (or online). You get a bunch of coupons for different retailers and businesses. One of those coupons is a flat 10% off any 1 item @ Best Buy.

Now there are exclusions, such as TVs with UMRP (Samsung, Sony), but Vizio totally qualifies! 10% off $1300-2000 (depending on size you go with) is a huge chunk of change and well worth the hassle of acquiring one.

 

[Fox1304]

My Sony HW55-ES and Pioneer Amp VSX-923 both took a hit during a recent thunderstorm
Both HDMI in/out are down ...

 

[DirtyLarry]

Sorry for the late response. The mover's coupon is acquired when you submit an address change request at the post office (or online). You get a bunch of coupons for different retailers and businesses. One of those coupons is a flat 10% off any 1 item @ Best Buy.

Now there are exclusions, such as TVs with UMRP (Samsung, Sony), but Vizio totally qualifies! 10% off $1300-2000 (depending on size you go with) is a huge chunk of change and well worth the hassle of acquiring one.

Awesome. My parents will be legit putting in this request, so yeah, I may have them do it ASAP!!! Nice. Thank you for the info.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

My Sony HW55-ES and Pioneer Amp VSX-923 both took a hit during a recent thunderstorm
Both HDMI in/out are down ...

Surge suppressors are not decorative or optional to protect your expensive electronics

 

[EndlessFloydian]

Bought a 42" LG 42lf5600 from Walmart for $250 the other day, and I'm probably just now noticing this, apparently common; patchiness/cloudiness issue on flat, plain colored areas of the screen.

Example, the Wii U's loadtime screens that are all white, sans middle logo--I notice that there are blotches of uneven white everywhere. So...any solutions?

 

[hoverboarder]

Bought a 42" LG 42lf5600 from Walmart for $250 the other day, and I'm probably just now noticing this, apparently common; patchiness/cloudiness issue on flat, plain colored areas of the screen.

Example, the Wii U's loadtime screens that are all white, sans middle logo--I notice that there are blotches of uneven white everywhere. So...any solutions?

Not out of the ordinary in that price range for that size. Less of that in the $400-500 40" Sony/Samsung options.

 

[Fiznu]

The JS9000 also has better input lag for games.

Did not know that! Do you have a reference for this info?

 

[Fiznu]

The constant showing of the Windows taskbar on a computer monitor would murder an OLED panel.

There are many, many Samsung phones out there with the Android notification bar burned into the display. My Galaxy Note II has some minor burn-in after 3 years of ownership, my Galaxy Nexus has really severe burn-in where the on-screen buttons are displayed, and phone displays aren't even meant to be on all the time like computer monitors and TVs, and computer monitors in particular show static images for hours and hours.

There won't be OLED computer monitors for the same reason there were never plasma computer monitors.

This was stated as one of the reasons (the other main issue being production issues/usable yield issues) that Samsung discontinued OLED production in favor of "SUHD" tech. (nanocrystal color and high dynamic range)

OLED is "buzzworthy" and gets a lot of media attention, but it's not the "holy grail" that people have been waiting for.

 

[Fiznu]

They're exactly as described, literal RGB filters. There is absolutely no liquid crystal "LCD" layer to LG's OLED's. You are trying to represent their design as being some sort of FALD LCD, suggesting "OLED" is just a marketing gimmick like when the manufacturers tried to represent the switch from CCFL to LED backlights as being some wholly new "LED Display" technology. That couldn't be any further from the reality. The liquid crystal layer is why LCD's suck in the first place. It is the active element that is responsible for the shitty black levels and response time. The color filters are merely passive. The active element in LG's OLED are just that, the OLED's. There is no LCD.

So I guess the information I got DIRECTLY from LG's technical rep was false? Believe what you want. There is a liquid crystal "color filter" controlled by a TFT layer on their WHITE OLED elements...

 

[Najaf]

Posted in the Need a New PC thread but got no response. Any ideas on the below?

"Is there an existing or upcoming best solution for a gsync 2k/4k monitor that would also work well with a console? I use a common monitor for both pc gaming and console. All of the new gsync hotness only seems to have single displayport in and lacks hdmi secondary.

I know gsync requires displayport but I can't be alone in wanting to hook up a console without messing with questionable splitters."

 

[mitchman]

Did not know that! Do you have a reference for this info?

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

22ms.

 

[Haint]

So I guess the information I got DIRECTLY from LG's technical rep was false? Believe what you want. There is a liquid crystal "color filter" controlled by a TFT layer on their WHITE OLED elements...

I would assume this was one of the floor reps at a trade show (CES, CEDIA), or worse, one of the B&M liasons? It's not at all uncommon for them to give out erroneous information, most likely they simply misunderstood/misconstrued something they heard. This is not a matter of believing, it's the fundamental nature of how the technologies work. Traditional LCD's have a color filter layer as well, but it is not liquid crystal and it is not active. This is an over simplification, but in an LCD display, the liquid crystal layer is what switches on, off, and every level in between based on the voltage supplied. That is what controls the 256x256x256 levels of brightness, which creates everything you see in our current 8 bit TV system. In an OLED display (including LG's), it is the OLED's themselves that switch on, off, and every level in between to produce the 256x256x256 levels of intensity. Now it is possible LG has created some as of yet unseen/unheard of transient/mutable color filter layer, but that does not make it a backlit LCD as you're trying to describe it. That would be like building a Ferrari, engine and all, then propelling it with bike pedals.

 

[SlaughterX]

So much black crush on my JU7100... and I swear it's harder to see in light than my plasma. I can't even play night scenes in MGS5 in the morning. I guess I need to buy curtains.

 

[Jonm1010]

This was stated as one of the reasons (the other main issue being production issues/usable yield issues) that Samsung discontinued OLED production in favor of "SUHD" tech. (nanocrystal color and high dynamic range)

OLED is "buzzworthy" and gets a lot of media attention, but it's not the "holy grail" that people have been waiting for.

So what is going to be the holy grail? OLED seems to be the closest though, no?

Plus if OLED is like Plasma's development progression won't they eventually all but eliminate burn in? I used my plasma as a monitor for hours on end and marathon games and at worse it only got minor retention that cleaned up after a while.

 

[x3sphere]

So what is going to be the holy grail? OLED seems to be the closest though, no?

Plus if OLED is like Plasma's development progression won't they eventually all but eliminate burn in? I used my plasma as a monitor for hours on end and marathon games and at worse it only got minor retention that cleaned up after a while.

OLED may already be ahead of Plasma in that regard, or at least just as good. I've used my EC9300 as a monitor for several hours with no burn-in, only temporary IR that goes away quickly and it wasn't even noticeable unless you put up a solid color background and looked for it. Considering its still early days yet for the tech that is very promising. Not sure why some people think there will be no further improvements.

 

[dsk1210]

OLED may already be ahead of Plasma in that regard, or at least just as good. I've used my EC9300 as a monitor for several hours with no burn-in, only temporary IR that goes away quickly and it wasn't even noticeable unless you put up a solid color background and looked for it. Considering its still early days yet for the tech that is very promising. Not sure why some people think there will be no further improvements.

I have been using my OLED as a monitor for about 3/4 months, never even had image retention.

You have to be sensible with OLED, task bar auto hide and rotate background pictures. The colour and contrast is something else, I can't even use my g-sync monitor now.

 

[draughn101]

I bought a new Vizio M series 4k TV a few months ago, and I've mostly loved it. After some picture tweaking, the 4k content/upscaled 1080 (mad Max) looks incredible. As far as gaming goes, the input lag is awesome, and games look good too. The one thing I have noticed, and I'm not sure how to properly describe it, it almost looks like there's a film over the screen while playing games. It's not game specific, I see it in The Witcher and BF4 and Halo, but it's almost like there's blotchyness to the outer layer of the screen that you can see when you rotate the camera or move around. The picture on the screen moves, but this filter/layer whatever is always there, diluting an otherwise beautiful TV.

I can't tell if it's the nature of whatever technology this TV is using, or if I have some kind of defective TV.

Also, two buttons have already popped out of the remote.

 

[PROJECTZERO]

Bought a 42" LG 42lf5600 from Walmart for $250 the other day, and I'm probably just now noticing this, apparently common; patchiness/cloudiness issue on flat, plain colored areas of the screen.

Example, the Wii U's loadtime screens that are all white, sans middle logo--I notice that there are blotches of uneven white everywhere. So...any solutions?

It's very common in LEDs in that price range. My 48" is terrible for flashlighting/clouding.

 

[general_garcia]

OLED may already be ahead of Plasma in that regard, or at least just as good. I've used my EC9300 as a monitor for several hours with no burn-in, only temporary IR that goes away quickly and it wasn't even noticeable unless you put up a solid color background and looked for it. Considering its still early days yet for the tech that is very promising. Not sure why some people think there will be no further improvements.

This is my experience also. I've only seen extremely faint IR after watching long Giant Bomb videos, of all things. Their static backgrounds in quadrants introduced a tiny grey border that I could see only a light grey background.

Turning the TV off and back on seemed to activate its cleaning process, whatever that is, and it completely disappeared in seconds.

 

[Rabid Wolverine]

Not yet, I'll start messing with it more this weekend. So far, the picture looks great, the Oppo did some heavy lifting for upscaling for Mad Max...bananas.

The OLEDs, just gotta wait. I'm so ready for that tech, but it has to mature some.
Is LG really the only one? I thought Panasonic is looking into this?

Great to hear. Watched Fast 7, looked brilliant on it. Mad Max is inext.

My set is all good except for the Dirty Screen Effect which is driving me Bananas. I tend to notice it more on netflix, and especially during the NFL.

Ive read that massaging the screen can maybe improve it. Has anyone had that work for them?

I might take it back and get the OLED. After reading the Rtings review least Dirty Screen would be minimal.

 

[Jigolo]

OLED may already be ahead of Plasma in that regard, or at least just as good. I've used my EC9300 as a monitor for several hours with no burn-in, only temporary IR that goes away quickly and it wasn't even noticeable unless you put up a solid color background and looked for it. Considering its still early days yet for the tech that is very promising. Not sure why some people think there will be no further improvements.

I have been using my OLED as a monitor for about 3/4 months, never even had image retention.

You have to be sensible with OLED, task bar auto hide and rotate background pictures. The colour and contrast is something else, I can't even use my g-sync monitor now.

I read somewhere on AVS that every time you turn off the OLED screen it does itself of any IR. Don't know how true that statement is.

 

[fixuis]

So have the legendary pioneer Kuro's been finally dethroned by the LG OLED screens or no? I have a 10th gen Pioneer Kuro Krp 500M and it's a beast of a tv. Can these LG OLED screens finally beat it in picture quality?

 

[DJ Lushious]

So have the legendary pioneer Kuro's been finally dethroned by the LG OLED screens or no? I have a 10th gen Pioneer Kuro Krp 500M and it's a beast of a tv. Can these LG OLED screens finally beat it in picture quality?

I'm no expert, but I am sure the OLEDs will match the 10th gen Kuros, at a minimum. The OLEDs do true black (off state), so they're likely to perform better than the Kuros in all the scientific test around that. As for color accuracy, I don't know. Add in that the new OLEDs support 3D, that, too, would push them an edge above the Kuros, from a feature standpoint.

I've a Kuro Pro-111fd that has been serving me quite well for the past six years. The picture quality still astounds me. Naturally, OLED is the next upgrade, but I'm certain to wait until the technology matures (and the price drops).

 

[kakashi08]

I have the Sony KDL65W850A.

Looking for a TV mount. Will sometimes move the TV side ways, about 45 degrees. not 90. but 90 would be nice also if its available.
Which mount will be good, there are so many. So confused.
I've done some research, and know the tilt, full motion, articulating and etc. The different mounts.
Looks like I need the full motion or the articulating mount type.
I want to get something that someone here has or knows anyone that has and is good to recommend. Thanks

Two I'm currently looking at. Are these good enough for me?
http://www.amazon.com/Mount-It-Full-Motion-Heavy-Duty-Articulating-Compatible/dp/B002CTV060/ref=pd_sim_504_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=0BH4X01B0XKPS0HM7SNN&dpID=41MwBtNnw8L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_
http://www.amazon.com/Full-Motion-Bracket-Anti-Theft-65UF8500-Television/dp/B011VPL46G/ref=sr_1_2?s=audio-video-accessories&ie=UTF8&qid=1442419776&sr=1-2&refinements=p_n_feature_browse-bin%3A2257256011%2Cp_n_feature_keywords_two_browse-bin%3A6150418011%2Cp_n_feature_keywords_three_browse-bin%3A6787471011%2Cp_n_feature_keywords_four_browse-bin%3A6787467011

 

[JudgmentJay]

So have the legendary pioneer Kuro's been finally dethroned by the LG OLED screens or no? I have a 10th gen Pioneer Kuro Krp 500M and it's a beast of a tv. Can these LG OLED screens finally beat it in picture quality?

In black levels, yeah. In color accuracy, screen uniformity, motion, and input lag, no. After seeing my friend's C9300 in action I wouldn't upgrade from my 500M. The dirty screen effect was very noticeable.

 

[Fiznu]

Apparently RGB OLED colors are more accurate although it's worth noting that the EC9300 won out overall against the Samsung OLED in a Value Electronics shootout last year...

The JS8500/9000 aren't even in the same league as the EC9300 in my opinion. Not saying they are bad sets, just massively overpriced. You're paying a huge premium just for HDR...

And for nanocrystal color...which is HUGE. As for overpriced? The 65JS9500 is THOUSANDS less than the comparable 4k LG OLED.

 

[x3sphere]

And for nanocrystal color...which is HUGE. As for overpriced? The 65JS9500 is THOUSANDS less than the comparable 4k LG OLED.

Isn't that essentially quantum dot? Better colors, but does nothing for black levels. I dunno, paying $2k+ for an edgelit LCD just seems ridiculous to me in 2015.

JS9500 - it's a good option versus the 4K OLEDs considering the price gap. I feel it's just the 8500/9000 that aren't worth it. They were a better option when Samsung was offering the S6 promo.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Isn't that essentially quantum dot? Better colors, but does nothing for black levels. I dunno, paying $2k+ for an edgelit LCD just seems ridiculous to me in 2015.

The edgelit LCD can't get burn-in so there's that

So what is going to be the holy grail? OLED seems to be the closest though, no?

There is no holy grail, display technology kind of sucks in general. Even movie theaters have largely moved to Sony 4K SXRD projectors because there just isn't anything better that's also reasonably affordable. Every display tech has limitations, it's up to you to pick which ones are the most important to you.

 

[Fitts]

It makes me sad every time I see this. The F8500 absolutely stomped the competition where it matters most in my opinion: motion resolution. Sucks that we're so far off from a viable plasma replacement.

 

[farmerboy]

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd75x9405c-201508314160.htm

Been lurking this thread for a while and wondering what you guys thought about this review.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/used-zt-201509134173.htm

Also, with all the talk about "holy grail" display tech, I thought you may all find this opinion piece interesting about Panasonics flagship OLED offering. But yowza! at the price.

Also, what are some other good websites or forums I should check out, I love keeping an eye out on this stuff.

 

[Bubba_Sparks]

I picked up a 50 inch Panasonic S60 in October 2013 and have been pretty happy with it so far. Though it is by no means best in class, you can really appreciate the difference in black levels between Plasma and LCD. Just boot up any old game and as you greeted by the developer, publisher and middle-wear logos you'll notice the surrounding area is pure black. Honestly it's like looking into the void, and in a dark room it's almost impossible to tell where the edge of the TV screen is.