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LG just made things interesting with their OLED press event today in the UK.

Contrary to popular perception, there'll be difference in image quality (albeit subtle) of C6 vs B6 vs E6 vs G6. Different SoC, LG said.
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https://twitter.com/HDTVTest/status/717403759119376384

Same panel, different SoC. Main difference is colour volume apparently. Obviously we all need comprehensive tests to verify.
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https://twitter.com/HDTVTest/status/717407200143130625

That input lag of 34ms on the G6 might be higher on the other models if they have a different SoC.
 
OG_Original Gamer said:
Here's some pics of my new Vizio P55-C1.

Really amazing display, Natively a 120hz display with a game mode with 15 ms input lag. Deep blacks, FALD 126 zones, HDR, Tablet remote.
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Can it accept 120hz input as well from a PC? Ii'm interested in the 65in model and if it does, that would be a big plus.

Also, looking at cnet, the 55 has an IPS panel and the 65 has uses VA panel. Is one supposed to be better than the other, or do they each have their own strengths/weaknesses?
 
georaldc said:
Also, looking at cnet, the 55 has an IPS panel and the 65 has uses VA panel. Is one supposed to be better than the other, or do they each have their own strengths/weaknesses?
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Supposedly IPS has better color and viewing angles, but not as good blacks. VA has good blacks but not as good color and worse viewing angles.

That's the typical generalization. However users are reporting fantastic blacks on the IPS anyway so far.
 
After 45 minutes of explaining the TV to her, I won her over with (android tablet). So ill be buying it this weeked at the nearest best buy. Ill post my initial thoughts and reactions once i get 24 hours into the TV. The hard part now is to find a TV stand that holds 65 inches and under $150.
 
Hi guys - I have a quick question for you regarding a new TV purchase.

Firstly, I'm located in Japan and much to my dismay the rtings website with the comprehensive list of outstanding TV's does not apply so much for me as the branding is different here (not all, but for the maker I'm looking at).

I was looking for a Samsung but those are not commonly sold here, for some reason.

I'm currently using a 40" Bravia and it's been a lovely TV, but my wife and I recently moved into a new place and it feels a bit tiny in our living room. I've looked around and found a decently priced 55" Bravia similar to the model we have (thin, nice stand). It's 4K and as far as I've found most Japanese enthusiasts claim the 920A model to be a better, but I dislike the stand. Prices are also roughly the same, but the 920A is a 2014 model and does not have 4K.

Here's the link for anyone willing to take a look:
http://www.sony.jp/bravia/products/KJ-X8500C/

(Sorry, it's in Japanese but the spec information should be readable.)

If anyone has any information regarding this model, I'd be glad to hear about it. Mostly worried about it being a bad TV for games. That's mostly what it will be used for with some movie nights thrown in here and there.
 
Jijidasu said:
Hi guys - I have a quick question for you regarding a new TV purchase.

Firstly, I'm located in Japan and much to my dismay the rtings website with the comprehensive list of outstanding TV's does not apply so much for me as the branding is different here (not all, but for the maker I'm looking at).

I was looking for a Samsung but those are not commonly sold here, for some reason.

I'm currently using a 40" Bravia and it's been a lovely TV, but my wife and I recently moved into a new place and it feels a bit tiny in our living room. I've looked around and found a decently priced 55" Bravia similar to the model we have (thin, nice stand). It's 4K and as far as I've found most Japanese enthusiasts claim the 920A model to be a better, but I dislike the stand. Prices are also roughly the same, but the 920A is a 2014 model and does not have 4K.

Here's the link for anyone willing to take a look:
http://www.sony.jp/bravia/products/KJ-X8500C/

(Sorry, it's in Japanese but the spec information should be readable.)

If anyone has any information regarding this model, I'd be glad to hear about it. Mostly worried about it being a bad TV for games. That's mostly what it will be used for with some movie nights thrown in here and there.
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That's similar to the US XBRX850C which is a very popular, reliable and high quality 4K TV. Can't read Japanese, but assuming it's the same, it is 120HZ native with 960 MotionFlow, Triluminos color, HDR support, 3D and Android Smart TV functionality. Metal frame as opposed to plastic. Thing is a beast, grab it. Before I bought the X930C, I had the X850B from the 2014 model year and that one was great as well. It'll be a nice upgrade, and gaming looks awesome on it.
 
hoverboarder said:
That's similar to the US XBRX850C which is a very popular, reliable and high quality 4K TV. Can't read Japanese, but assuming it's the same, it is 120HZ native with 960 MotionFlow, Triluminos color, HDR support, 3D and Android Smart TV functionality. Metal frame as opposed to plastic. Thing is a beast, grab it. Before I bought the X930C, I had the X850B from the 2014 model year and that one was great as well. It'll be a nice upgrade, and gaming looks awesome on it.
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Fantastic. Now just to convince my wife. Maybe I should just order it on amazon and explain later ;)
 
So i've done some research of my own together with my brother for his new TV and basically these two popped up, because the Sony especially is very affordable for him and we read some really good things here about it, but the Samsung is much more recent, not that it automatically makes it better or anything.

Sony 55X8505C/X850 - 1269 euros
Samsung UE55JS8500L - 1665 euros

What makes the Samsung worth it spending quite a bit of extra cash over the Sony? How is the upscaling on both of these? Just like me he'll be using it a lot for Xbox One, PS4 and the new Nintendo system. So is something like 900p or even 720p doable on these?

I'm sure someone here has/seen both and can tell me. :)

Drewfonse said:
I don't know man. I have the JS8500 in a 55 inch, and it is an amazing TV. If you're using it for gaming, you'll be in heaven. It's awesome.
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And are you using the game mode? Because i keep reading here that using game mode on Samsung TV's really lower the picture quality.
 
mikezilla2 said:
hmm - LG OLeds 2016

Contrary to popular perception, there'll be difference in image quality (albeit subtle) of C6 vs B6 vs E6 vs G6. Different SoC, LG said.

https://mobile.twitter.com/HDTVTest/status/717407200143130625

this is in-spite of what they told everyone a few weeks back

currently holding out for both a price drop and the a local release of the E6
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I’m going to wait for more comprehensive tests. To see if this is even true, and if so, what other differences there could be besides “color volume”.

If that’s all it is, I don’t have an issue with that. But if it starts affecting other aspects like upscaling or input lag, then I will pay the extra for the G6.
 
in the US towards the end of April at select stores and may/ june in what i assume is is parts of EU


not sure when the Aussie launch is ( which is would like to konw)
 
Tatsumi Oga said:
And are you using the game mode? Because i keep reading here that using game mode on Samsung TV's really lower the picture quality.
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When I had the Samsung 65JU7500 for a month I did not notice any big hit in PQ when switching to game mode. However, you DO have to calibrate your set while in game mode to get the best picture while using it. This is common sense but I could see someone not bothering and then complaining that it looked worse when they flipped that toggle.

Lucky Forward said:
I'm drawing a blank, can someone explain what SoC means?
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System on a Chip = Basically the computer brain that runs the TV. It's called this because all the major components (CPU, GPU, etc.) are on the one chip, as opposed to older PC boards where they were separate chips connected by a bus.
 
tmdorsey said:
I have this set and use game mode. I don't really notice a degrade in picture quality when using it.
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Dr. Zoidberg said:
When I had the Samsung 65JU7500 for a month I did not notice any big hit in PQ when switching to game mode. However, you DO have to calibrate your set while in game mode to get the best picture while using it. This is common sense but I could see someone not bothering and then complaining that it looked worse when they flipped that toggle.



System on a Chip = Basically the computer brain that runs the TV. It's called this because all the major components (CPU, GPU, etc.) are on the one chip, as opposed to older PC boards where they were separate chips connected by a bus.
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Ok, that's good to know. The TV I have, LG EC9300 also doesn't really degrade the picture quality in game mode. It's actually pretty damn good. If we're going to the store and try it out with a console, we'll definitely use game mode and change some settings.

And as for upscaling, how do games with a sub 1080p resolution look?

Oh and also... he really digs my EC9300 but it's not 4k and he really wants 4k,how does the picture quality compare to the EC9300?
 
OG_Original Gamer said:
Here's some pics of my new Vizio P55-C1.

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Really amazing display, Natively a 120hz display with a game mode with 15 ms input lag. Deep blacks, FALD 126 zones, HDR, Tablet remote.
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is it gloss or semi-gloss screen? how about regular cable content? i tried the m series last year and it left a lot to be desired with cable content. 4k and 1080p was fine but most of my watching is cable.
 
Tatsumi Oga said:
And as for upscaling, how do games with a sub 1080p resolution look?

Oh and also... he really digs my EC9300 but it's not 4k and he really wants 4k,how does the picture quality compare to the EC9300?
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I didn't notice that sub-1080p content looked any worse than it does on the 65-inch 1080p flat panels I've tried. I say it that way because if your current TV is: a) smaller, b) non-flat panel, or c) significantly older, then yeah, you're going to notice more flaws in the image because the new set is both bigger and has a clearer image than what you had before. A lot of people will upgrade to a modern 65inch set from an older 50-inch model or a old rear-projection LCD or DLP and then complain that cable/satellite looks like crap. Well yeah, that's because it IS crap, you just couldn't see it as well before. In the case of sub-1080p games, this will manifest as more visible aliasing for sure. That being said, I don't think the Samsung 4K set made the games look any worse than they did on the same-size 1080p panel.

As for the EC9300, from what I can gather no LCD looks as good as OLED so it's going to be worse, especially in regards to black levels and contrast.
 
Dr. Zoidberg said:
I didn't notice that sub-1080p content looked any worse than it does on the 65-inch 1080p flat panels I've tried. I say it that way because if your current TV is: a) smaller, b) non-flat panel, or c) significantly older, then yeah, you're going to notice more flaws in the image because the new set is both bigger and has a clearer image than what you had before. A lot of people will upgrade to a modern 65inch set from an older 50-inch model or a old rear-projection LCD or DLP and then complain that cable/satellite looks like crap. Well yeah, that's because it IS crap, you just couldn't see it as well before. In the case of sub-1080p games, this will manifest as more visible aliasing for sure. That being said, I don't think the Samsung 4K set made the games look any worse than they did on the same-size 1080p panel.

As for the EC9300, from what I can gather no LCD looks as good as OLED so it's going to be worse, especially in regards to black levels and contrast.
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My brother is going from a 50 inch Sony W829 to a 55 inch, 65 inch is not going to be it for him, so size should be OK. He likes the black levels on my OLED but it's not a necessity for him. Same with contrast, he's ok with the contrast on his current TV. But he is hoping the overall picture quality, crispness is similar to my OLED. I guess we'll find out soon when we go to the store. :)
 
Can anyone explain in layman's terms what this guy is going on about when it comes to motion performance?

The LG G6 will frustrate serious gamers.
Current OLEDs are still using the tips and tricks banged out by their LED LCD forebears when it comes to motion performance: frame interpolation, "sample-and-hold," and motion compensation. In this way, OLEDs don't separate themselves from LED TVs the way that they do in other areas.

Is the G6 on the level with other premium TVs in terms of motion performance? Absolutely. But it's worth noting if you've been picky about OLED motion in the past, the G6 doesn't seem to have made massive strides forward, either.

I also measured the input lag in the Game picture mode and got 34.4 ms. That's not an amazing result, but that's with a 1080p output that's upscaled to 4K—the same as you'll get with a PS4 or Xbox One.
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Is he talking about motion blur?...

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i have to ask with a statement like that will games play any worse compared to there LCD counter parts operating at mostly the same input lag from a few years back ( vague question i know)
 
Jigolo said:
Can anyone explain in layman's terms what this guy is going on about when it comes to motion performance?



Is he talking about motion blur?...

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I think 34ms input lag is well within the range of "acceptable," especially considering the upscaling it needs to do.

How it handles motion was left vague, it could encompass motion blur but it could also be describing judder. If it's on the same level as other premium TVs then I wouldn't consider it a huge concern, though I don't know if OLED technology introduces any new concerns I'm not aware of.
 
woot woot!! got my shipping confirmation, my Vizio P series coming this saturday ...woot woot....now i'm debating if i need to buy a new set-top box, already got a firestick ....thinking about the ATV4, but no 4k support tho
 
Need to get a new TV soon. stuck with a Panasonic 42" Plasma which still looks good but feels like a need an upgrade. Would like a 4K TV, possibly a curved screen as well.
 
I'm thinking of buying the 55" Vizio P series, but my current TV stand (basically just a regular cabinet I repurposed) isn't going to cut it anymore. My problem is that my bedroom TV is at the foot of my bed, which is 28" tall. I basically need a TV stand/cabinet that is 28-30" tall, and 48-55" wide. The only components that need to be in visual range other than screen are my cable box and my sound bar, since my PS4/PS3/Wii-U/HTPC don't require LoS to control.

Does anyone have any input regarding that kind of taller TV stand/cabinet? Pretty much everything I've seen is around 18-20" tall. I'd also prefer a minimalist, open design rather than an actual cabinet due to all of the cables I'll be dealing with. Thanks.
 
Quixzlizx said:
I'm thinking of buying the 55" Vizio P series, but my current TV stand (basically just a regular cabinet I repurposed) isn't going to cut it anymore. My problem is that my bedroom TV is at the foot of my bed, which is 28" tall. I basically need a TV stand/cabinet that is 28-30" tall, and 48-55" wide. The only components that need to be in visual range other than screen are my cable box and my sound bar, since my PS4/PS3/Wii-U/HTPC don't require LoS to control.

Does anyone have any input regarding that kind of taller TV stand/cabinet? Pretty much everything I've seen is around 18-20" tall. I'd also prefer a minimalist, open design rather than an actual cabinet due to all of the cables I'll be dealing with. Thanks.
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i used this ...

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S99017186/

or

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S79030481/ ...minus the wheels
 
I bought a new tv few days ago and I calibrated it based on this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XNolBYfWvE&index=2&list=FLncv_bi8ceqe8WUfbMGKw4w and for gaming based on 2nd video there, but it just seems a lot darker as opposed to how it was before.

Maybe I'm just used to flashy and vivid colors but now everything just seems so much more bland, or well grey and lifeless. Is it me wanting flashy stuff or is it supposed to naturally look like that and I should get used to it ?
I took a comparison pic:

calibrated: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97808289/DSC_0294.JPG


standard mode: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97808289/DSC_0293.JPG

Not sure if you can tell the difference based on these 2 pics but I could take a video too. Now that I look at them on PC 2nd one looks darker overall mainly due to camera -_- but idk question still stands. I want the best viewing experience I can get, I bought it mainly for movies and tv shows and then some gaming and I don't know how to set it up myself so not sure if leaving on standard is best bet vs this calibrated which in theory is better.

Edit: Here's the video but it still doesn't do it justice but oh well. In the beginning it's standard, then it goes darker when I press settings and at end when I picked calibrated one I leave it playing for a bit. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97808289/MOV_0293.mp4
 
SillyNonsense said:
Are you over at avsforum too? I think I saw these pics already, but not here. Maybe I'm wrong. Edit: You're DisplayCalNoob, right? We've encountered each other before.
Im basically just waiting for the rtings review of the 2016 p series to see what they have to say before I consider pulling the trigger on the 55. 65 would be ideal but that's out of my pricerange, and im still hearing great things about the 55 in spite of it being IPS. The review should be up end of this week or beginning of next.

I've been gathering opinions on it here.

A user over there posted a 4gb file with some good 4k samples, in case anyone finds that useful.



P3 color gamut, dolby vision and hdr10, 4k, FALD and an android tablet for that price? It sells itself.
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Yep, that's me! Small world,huh.
 
Tatsumi Oga said:
So i've done some research of my own together with my brother for his new TV and basically these two popped up, because the Sony especially is very affordable for him and we read some really good things here about it, but the Samsung is much more recent, not that it automatically makes it better or anything.

Sony 55X8505C/X850 - 1269 euros
Samsung UE55JS8500L - 1665 euros

What makes the Samsung worth it spending quite a bit of extra cash over the Sony? How is the upscaling on both of these? Just like me he'll be using it a lot for Xbox One, PS4 and the new Nintendo system. So is something like 900p or even 720p doable on these?

I'm sure someone here has/seen both and can tell me. :)



And are you using the game mode? Because i keep reading here that using game mode on Samsung TV's really lower the picture quality.
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I am not using game mode on the JS8500. I did notice a difference in the PQ when I engaged it, and it wasn't worth it for me. It runs like a champ in regular mode, and I do play online MP games which require fast responses, and I have not noticed my MP performance suffering after I switched from my plasma to this.
 
guitarguy316 said:
is it gloss or semi-gloss screen? how about regular cable content? i tried the m series last year and it left a lot to be desired with cable content. 4k and 1080p was fine but most of my watching is cable.
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Semi-gloss, Directv looks great, can't comment on cable services. A couple ticks down on contrast help hide the compression artifacts from cable sources.
 
Drewfonse said:
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I am not using game mode on the JS8500. I did notice a difference in the PQ when I engaged it, and it wasn't worth it for me. It runs like a champ in regular mode, and I do play online MP games which require fast responses, and I have not noticed my MP performance suffering after I switched from my plasma to this.
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OK so not a very high input lag with other modes? That's good. Which picture mode are you using? We'll be sure to try that out as well then.
 
Finally bit and went and put a deposit down on the new LG UH950T. LCD, Dolby Vision. Get it in two weeks - I'll be sure to post impressions! Got AU 1000 knocked off by the retailer, so a 55 for 3400. Rather happy price wise, let's see how we go performance wise in a few weeks
 
Any new LCD TVs out there that have little to no backlight bleed?

I'm fucking over this blobby shit every time there's a dark scene.

I may even end up skipping LCD and going for one of those near view / field projectors, the ones you can have right up against the wall. Anyone got one of those for gaming?
 
i3allistic said:
woot woot!! got my shipping confirmation, my Vizio P series coming this saturday ...woot woot....now i'm debating if i need to buy a new set-top box, already got a firestick ....thinking about the ATV4, but no 4k support tho
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That's the beauty of the Google cast implementation - no real need for a stb

Anything that can cast, can be displayed on this tv

I don't even use the supplied android tablet, just use my iPhone. Will probably use the tablet at some point for Kodi casting with local cast, and ditch my Amazon fire for good
 
demented said:
I bought a new tv few days ago and I calibrated it based on this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XNolBYfWvE&index=2&list=FLncv_bi8ceqe8WUfbMGKw4w and for gaming based on 2nd video there, but it just seems a lot darker as opposed to how it was before.

Maybe I'm just used to flashy and vivid colors but now everything just seems so much more bland, or well grey and lifeless. Is it me wanting flashy stuff or is it supposed to naturally look like that and I should get used to it ?
I took a comparison pic:

calibrated: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97808289/DSC_0294.JPG


standard mode: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97808289/DSC_0293.JPG

Not sure if you can tell the difference based on these 2 pics but I could take a video too. Now that I look at them on PC 2nd one looks darker overall mainly due to camera -_- but idk question still stands. I want the best viewing experience I can get, I bought it mainly for movies and tv shows and then some gaming and I don't know how to set it up myself so not sure if leaving on standard is best bet vs this calibrated which in theory is better.

Edit: Here's the video but it still doesn't do it justice but oh well. In the beginning it's standard, then it goes darker when I press settings and at end when I picked calibrated one I leave it playing for a bit. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97808289/MOV_0293.mp4
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A lot of this is simply going to be due to you not being used to a picture that is closer to the proper standard. It's not really "calibrated" now, as you've just applied settings those settings from the video. Even for the same model of TV, any particular panel will behave differently. So copying settings isn't calibrating. But it's likely closer to picture standards than before.

Anyway, in general, thinking a correct image looks "dark" is a pretty typical reaction, particularly if you are accustomed to watching something on a Vivid type setting. Give yourself a week or two to adjust. Once you do, you will probably find that you prefer it and that a Vivid mode looks unnatural.
 
I have a samsung 59 plasma and its amazing but im about ready to jump into 4k TVs since the new UHD standards are out.

My question is it worth it to get a new model 4k TV for gaming with current consoles?

My den is just console gaming. I plan on buying 4k for all 3 TVs but the Den I want 60-75 inch so it will be expensive.

Does X1 or PS4 recieve any benefit from 4k?
 
Tatsumi Oga said:
OK so not a very high input lag with other modes? That's good. Which picture mode are you using? We'll be sure to try that out as well then.
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I use movie mode for all of my input sources. I used the rtings.com calibration settings, and it looks great. The input lag just isn't noticeable to me, and I love fast paced action games.

I did have some problems with my one connect HDMI box, but an update solved those


The JS8500 is a great TV. Games and blu rays look fabulous on it.
 
Syrus said:
I have a samsung 59 plasma and its amazing but im about ready to jump into 4k TVs since the new UHD standards are out.

My question is it worth it to get a new model 4k TV for gaming with current consoles?

My den is just console gaming. I plan on buying 4k for all 3 TVs but the Den I want 60-75 inch so it will be expensive.

Does X1 or PS4 recieve any benefit from 4k?
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No, it's not worth buying a 4K TV just for gaming with current consoles, as the consoles aren't anywhere near powerful enough to natively output 4K. If the rumours about the new consoles are true, they will most likely just include an internal upscaler, which are usually of a bit higher quality than the internal upscalers in TVs.

X1 and PS4 will not benefit from 4K, though. The TV will upscale the image to 4K, but that's just to get rid of the black bars around the image. The rumoured PS4.5 and X1.5 will, as I mentioned, most likely include a better upscaler, and will be able to play 'real' 4K Blu-rays, 4K Netflix, etc.

You won't be seeing native 4K gaming on consoles for quite a long time.
 
Syrus said:
My question is it worth it to get a new model 4k TV for gaming with current consoles?

Does X1 or PS4 recieve any benefit from 4k?
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Currently, there is no benefit with console gaming. But there may be new consoles in the next 2-5 years that will take advantage of it. If you plan on replacing your TVs again in the next few years, then you could save a couple hundred dollars and get 1080p sets now. If, however, you want these TVs to be able to take advantage of PS4K (or PS5, etc.) then I would not cheap out now.

Besides, unless you are talking OLED, there's not a huge difference in price, IMO. Decent 4K LCD sets aren't really that expensive, and most of the 1080p sets that are out there are low-end models.
 
Drewfonse said:
I use movie mode for all of my input sources. I used the rtings.com calibration settings, and it looks great. The input lag just isn't noticeable to me, and I love fast paced action games.

I did have some problems with my one connect HDMI box, but an update solved those


The JS8500 is a great TV. Games and blu rays look fabulous on it.
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Only issue I have with rtings.com calibration, is they do not get into the details for the color settings, and white balance, etc.. Why is that? Is there a paid program for them? They claim they show you 95% calibration, but to me, leaving the most important aspect out is a good 30% of it if not more.
 
How bad are smart TVs, security-wise? I've been looking for a TV recently and trying to avoid smart TVs because a) it's a feature I won't use but might add to the cost and b) I heard of security issues for them. The problem is, I'm finding it increasingly hard to find a TV that DOESN'T have smart features.

Is it okay to just ignore the smart aspect of the TV and/or simply not connect it to my home network?
 
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