Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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Jigolo
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lol. OLED is the next big thing. OLED is the epitome of TV, I can't wait till the prices drop.
btw here's your IPS LED: http://www.lg.com/us/oled/index.jsp
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I need your help folks. Does anyone know anything about this TV?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung...HDTV/8491043.p?id=1218877693026&skuId=8491043
I plan on getting a new TV at BF and I want to choose between this or this:
http://store.sony.com/p/KDL-32W650A/en/p/KDL32W650A#features
Main uses for the bedroom TV. Gaming, Netflix.
I've been trying to find the input lag on the Samsung but I can't. I've already seen the one for Sony's TV so I want to compare.
Ok I've given up on getting a full HD Panasonic Plasma, it's impossible to get an earlier model, so I can't fit it in my price range.
So, what would be a good full HD LCD LED for around 500 (let's imagine 1=1$)? at least 40 inches. I'll use it for gaming and movies. This weekend there's a store with 23% off on all TVs so maybe I'll use this chance.
So, what would be a good full HD LCD LED for around 500 (let's imagine 1=1$)? at least 40 inches. I'll use it for gaming and movies. This weekend there's a store with 23% off on all TVs so maybe I'll use this chance.
What about the Panasonic S60? Just can't find one in your area?
It doesn't exist in Europe :/
WHOAguitarninja
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Chitown B said:
This is not strictly true. Owning 2 Panasonic Plasmas I can tell you that image retention is a real thing, but is only ever noticeable at all on largely monochrome scenes (primarily on scenes where black is the dominant color). So it's not a big problem, for sure.
Burn in will always be a risk with emissive pixel displays. It's simply the nature of the technology, and it's going to be ever worse (at first) with OLED. I do agree that with normal usage you're unlikely to ever suffer noticeable burn in. However if one were to play CoD for a thousand hours at high contrast settings, that CoD HUD is going to be visible when you're watching the news. Keeping the contrast settings at a resonable level and not pouring all your time into something with static images is enough to prevent any noticeable burn in, though.
Is this being used as a computer monitor? I would never recomend plasma for a computer monitor. I also don't know of any Plasmas above 1080p. So you're really comparing pretty different products.
Melchiah
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I'd be interested in hearing some budget (somewhere between 100-200) soundbar/2.1 sound system recommendations as well, as there's no optimal way of setting the rear speakers in my apartment.
Painkiller Q8
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yeah !!! just before GTA V comes out XD gaming is way better now !
Just keep it to a couple hours, and watch/play different things for the first 100 or 200 hours. I don't buy into this whole "play slides for 500 hours before doing anything else," and neither do the reviewers at cnet:
http://m.cnet.com/news/do-i-need-to-break-in-a-new-plasma-tv-morrisons-mailbag/57480003?ds=1
I have an old 2008 LCD TV (40 inches) on my 40" TV stand. It seems pretty sturdy, I think my TV weighs 23 kg. Could I fit a Panasonic 50" ST60 plasma TV on it?
I am going to be using it as a second monitor occasionally (it's right next to my computer). I'm wondering if there's an equivalent LED TV for the same price, since my space is limited and the lower the weight and width the better.
The Panasonic 50 inch LED TV (e60 series I think) is the same price, but apparently the contrast ratio is garbage. It's 2" smaller in width, which is pretty important in this tight space. I don't know.
How's the white levels on plasmas? I heard that for bright games (like anything Nintendo makes), LEDs are better since plasmas tend to be dim? Thanks
I am going to be using it as a second monitor occasionally (it's right next to my computer). I'm wondering if there's an equivalent LED TV for the same price, since my space is limited and the lower the weight and width the better.
The Panasonic 50 inch LED TV (e60 series I think) is the same price, but apparently the contrast ratio is garbage. It's 2" smaller in width, which is pretty important in this tight space. I don't know.
How's the white levels on plasmas? I heard that for bright games (like anything Nintendo makes), LEDs are better since plasmas tend to be dim? Thanks
Toothless Spoon
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Alright kids, after much deliberation I went to JBHiFi just to have a look at the TV's I narrowed them down to - Sony 55' W900A vs Samsung 55' UAF8000 vs Panasonic VT60.
The Winner = Sony W900A!!
Such a beautiful TV - haven't put it through it's paces yet, have literally just set it up. I went back and forth between sony and samsung - but I was able to get the Sony for $3K with the extended warranty - he could only do $3.4K for Samsung. (AUS)
So from all the advice here and numerous reviews online, and mainly the fact of the lowest input lag around, Sony gets my money
Thanks again for all the advice.
The Winner = Sony W900A!!
Such a beautiful TV - haven't put it through it's paces yet, have literally just set it up. I went back and forth between sony and samsung - but I was able to get the Sony for $3K with the extended warranty - he could only do $3.4K for Samsung. (AUS)
So from all the advice here and numerous reviews online, and mainly the fact of the lowest input lag around, Sony gets my money
Thanks again for all the advice.
The Xtortionist
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Really considering replacing my 42'' 720p Insignia plasma with a 50'' 1080p Panasonic S60 plasma for next gen. Heard some great things about the S60, mainly the low input lag when compared to Panasonic's other models, which are a bit out of my price range anyway. Don't need 3D functionality either.
Saw a few positive posts about the S60 in this thread already but was just wondering if anyone else had any thoughts. It's $670 on Amazon IIRC which sounds like a pretty good deal.
Saw a few positive posts about the S60 in this thread already but was just wondering if anyone else had any thoughts. It's $670 on Amazon IIRC which sounds like a pretty good deal.
Alright kids, after much deliberation I went to JBHiFi just to have a look at the TV's I narrowed them down to - Sony 55' W900A vs Samsung 55' UAF8000 vs Panasonic VT60.
The Winner = Sony W900A!!
Such a beautiful TV - haven't put it through it's paces yet, have literally just set it up. I went back and forth between sony and samsung - but I was able to get the Sony for $3K with the extended warranty - he could only do $3.4K for Samsung. (AUS)
So from all the advice here and numerous reviews online, and mainly the fact of the lowest input lag around, Sony gets my money
Thanks again for all the advice.
haha, these are the exact three tv's I'm looking at. Input lag means a lot to me so I've been leaning towards the Sony.
Whiteshirt
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Nothing special, your typical run of the mill monitor.
Thanks!
yeah !!! just before GTA V comes out XD gaming is way better now !
I bought the exact same TV back in June. Just a fantastic TV!
WHOAguitarninja
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No they don't. Especially not the ST60, which uses a slower processor than the VT60 and has considerably more input lag.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/sony-kdl55w905a-201305172987.htm
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-txp65vt65b-201306273079.htm
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42st60-201303312779.htm
HDTV Test uses both the Leo Bodnar method and the fast photo with CRT method. Using the photo method the W900 is still about 1 frame ahead on average.
Leo bodnar test seems to prefer LCD's to plasmas by roughly 1/3 to 1/2 of a frame (logically you can reason that it has to be a difference of less than one frame). Not enough to put the VT60 ahead.
Tizoc
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So hold up isn't LED HDTV=LCD HDTV? I remember being told in this thread that there isn't a major difference between the two?
Maybe it's a different code in Europe?
Maybe it's a different code in Europe?
Mithos
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S60 is a US only model from what I can see/find.
WHOAguitarninja
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This is generally true. The primary difference is the backlight. The differences are starting to grow though as LED tvs have begun incorporating quantum dot tech into their backlight (the W900 is the first) which provides a true RGB backlight which makes significantly improved color performance possible.
Tizoc
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Ah I see, so the modern LED models are improved then, but are they as good as Plasmas?
Saint of Killers
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I have a Panasonic VT30 (50" plasma) and image retention and burn-in are most definitely still A Thing. I won't play games on it as even spending a few moments on stations with still graphics causes IR to flare up. It disappears quickly enough but on some stations it can get really bad and so I don't want to push my luck playing games on it.
I was looking forward to OLED but I hear they'll be almost as bad/worse than plasma screens for image retention and burn-in. So at the moment I am at a loss as to what I'll go for when I upgrade my gaming set. Probably LCD.
I was looking forward to OLED but I hear they'll be almost as bad/worse than plasma screens for image retention and burn-in. So at the moment I am at a loss as to what I'll go for when I upgrade my gaming set. Probably LCD.
I've just returned my second Vizio Razor M 50" for an identical problem as the first one (a line appearing at the top after a few days). Buyer beware, at least at the 50" size.
The ones that have true microdimming (which is where the TV has LED zones that can be manipulated for better PQ) can get pretty close, but the top end plasma's still edge them out.
The few sets out there with microdimming are very expensive though. Edge-lit models (what most of them are) are pretty terrible by comparison.
The ones that have true microdimming (which is where the TV has LED zones that can be manipulated for better PQ) can get pretty close, but the top end plasma's still edge them out.
The few sets out there with microdimming are very expensive though. Edge-lit models (what most of them are) are pretty terrible by comparison.
xinfamousxi
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I pulled the trigger yesterday on a Samsung F8000 65 inch. I got it on specialist for $2800. My brother also helped me pick out some home theater gear. Pioneer VSX 1122 AVR and Paradign speakers.
xinfamousxi
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yeah !!! just before GTA V comes out XD gaming is way better now !
I just got the 65 inch version. Hey I dont know how long ago you bought this but the price just came down you may be able to go get back the difference. All the size modes dropped in price.
With the next gen consoles playing games at a native 1080p (depending on the game) it shouldn't be as much of an issue.
Not only that, but my 55" LCD scales 720p just as well as my 55" plasma. It's the scaler quality that matters, not the display type.
Edit: LCD monitors seem to usually have bad scaling though.
I'd be interested in hearing some budget (somewhere between 100-200€soundbar/2.1 sound system recommendations as well, as there's no optimal way of setting the rear speakers in my apartment.
IMO, this soundbar is by far the best for the price:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BD7UXT2/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Wireless sub, bluetooth, sounds good (coming from someone who owns a $2,000 5.1 system)
If you can jump up in price, the Klipsch SB1 is great.
Hey guys. I'm a current owner of a 60" Sammy DLP. Sadly, DLP has fallen by the wayside, because properly calibrated this TV has plasma quality black levels. Unfortunately I feel it lacks sharpness. Other owners describe it as "film like, I describe it as slightly soft. My eye is very sensitive to sharpness because I operate television cameras for a living. So, with the new gen here soon, I was thinking of picking up a cheap TV but preferably LCD because I'd like something razor sharp. I know I may sacrifice some color reproduction and black level quality, but this set will be solely for gaming. So, any good options for cheap? I'm looking into the 60" Vizio A3. Anyone have experience with these?
i think 30ms is definitely on the "good to great"-side. the displaylag database rates anything below 40ms as great:
http://www.displaylag.com/testing-method/
This thread got me to check what types of TVs I've been gaming on, and I found out my 32" 1080P Sharp (LC32D62U) TV from a couple years ago has only 6MS of lag which is MUCH lower than my new Samsung (UN40F6300) (42MS). I've been thinking that maybe I should just be using the Sharp for games since it seems to have lower input lag than any TV that is listed on the displaylag site, but when I tested a couple of games (Diva F and COD), I couldn't tell a huge difference between the Sharp and Samsung. The difference was definitely there (Diva F seemed to be easier on the Sharp) but I didn't feel like the Samsung was that far behind to be honest. Are there better games to test between the two?
It's good.
Melchiah
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Thanks for the suggestions. I'll check if they're available over here, and how much they cost. I'd prefer to be able to experience next gen games without always using headphones, as the TV speakers suck.
Azwethinkweiz
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The review you posted says they measured the VT60 at 23ms vs. 20ms on the Sony review you posted. I'd take the superior image quality and black levels of the VT60 over the minor input lag decrease on the Sony.
If you read the posts linked above, plasmas most likely have half the amt of lag they are measurdd with using the Leo Bodnar method. That'd put the VT60 at around 13 ms of lag.
Buckethead
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I've been looking at TVs for some time and I'm strongly leaning towards the Samsung F7100.
It seems like it has low input lag for gaming and I love the thin bezel.
My uses for the TV will be Gaming, Blu-Ray, and NFL, in that order. Very doubtful I even get cable.
Any tips/suggestions/etc.?
It seems like it has low input lag for gaming and I love the thin bezel.
My uses for the TV will be Gaming, Blu-Ray, and NFL, in that order. Very doubtful I even get cable.
Any tips/suggestions/etc.?
Azwethinkweiz
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I posted that. The review he posted measured 41ms with the Bodnar, then they said they measured 23ms with a camera in the same review.