Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen

I'm looking at the Samsung UN60F7100 for about $1600. 60" 240hz LED LCD. I've owned tons of Samsung LCD sets, and loved my 46" UN46B8000. Played games beautifully.

Aside from the, but you could get a plasma feelings out there, anyone have this series or know anything related to gaming about it?
 
Both sony and Samsung dropped their 4k prices i believe. $5500 is pretty reasonable though

Shave another $500 off the price of the Sony sets when they release new models without the side speakers.

The new models will have the same specs, sans the “elephant ear” 65-watt speakers at prices of $3499.99 for the 55-inch and $4999.99 for the 65-inch screen according to sources.

Update- According to an industry source the new “ear less ” 55 and 65-inch models will be released in early October 2013.


Dealers have reported that many consumers balk at buying the extra wide form factor of the current Sony models with molded-in speakers, especially since most high-end buyers prefer soundbars or full external surround sound speaker systems.

http://hdguru.com/sony-to-slash-its-ultra-hdtv-prices/
 
After seeing that OLED is having problems with motion, I guess plasma will continue to be the best. Doesn't hurt that it will also be the cheapest option.
 
Partly due to next gen and partly due to experiencing a 65" in a friends house at 10-12' I've been interested in upgrading. Really appreciate the big screen experience... but trying to pick the right TV has been frustrating. I went in thinking: ~60" (I'm 8-9' from TV), Passive 3D (I do like 3D at times and like the ability to do the Nvidia 3Dvision hack), prefer LCD for a number of reasons but want good PQ.

Seems like every TV I'm interested in has some fatal flaw and its compounded by the fact that a lot of TVs seem to be $1000 more in Canada. Considered just going ST60 for the PQ: terribad lag, IR scares me (I play SNES a lot). Considered LG LA6200... and although it hits all the right features it seems to get real bad PQ reviews. Samsung 8000 @60" is really pricey here ($3200)...

That leaves me with only a few options. Vizio doesn't sell in Canada and I'm not sure I'm ready for the hassle buying cross-border if there is an issue with the TV. So it seems to boil down to the Sony 802A or w900a. Seeing side by side the w900 certainly has a much nicer picture, but is currently $2800 here. The 802 looks like it has all the features but I'm worried about PQ. Maybe I'm crazy because I have a 5 year old Sharp CFL LCD and surely even the 802 must have better PQ right? This TV is $700 off this week and comes it in at a reasonable $1600. Wondering if I should just bit the bullet knowing that in 5-7 years I can jump to 4K OLED once everything is ironed out. The other option is to hope the X900 takes a big drop after CES 2014 as that TV seems to hit all the buttons but is insanely expensive right now.

Anyone here rocking a Sony W802A? What do you think? Should I bit the bullet know or cross my fingers for a W900A black friday deal?
 
How are you liking the f8500 for movies/tv/gaming? My really old plasma (pio 5020 from 2003!) is dying and looking to replace it in the next few days. VT60 and F8500 are top of the list but it is a very bright room so thinking f8500...

It's great.

My only complaint for gaming would be you MUST turn it on PC mode, the response time on the tv (pretty high response time) is actually noticable without the TV on pc mode. This does limit settings quite a bit, but still looks fantastic. On other inputs, the picture quality is superb. If lighting if ever an issue, it is the brightest plasma available, yet great black levels (i could have deeper blacks on it, but i don't want to lose shadow detail).

Overall the VT will be great as well, if you don't care for the brightness it would probably be better over the f8500.

Also, IMO samsung leads the group in smart interface as well with their remote and quad core processing. Anything else just feel free to shoot me a message.
 
All right guys I took the plunge. My TC-P65VT60 will be arriving next Saturday. I'm so excited!

Any advice on breaking it in? Also I have one of those Essentials Blurays to calibrate my TV. Is that my best bet or is there somewhere on the Internet where I can just get the optimal settings?
 
What do people think 2014 holds for Panasonic's neoPlasma range?

I though Panasonic said they would be all 4K for new TVs in 2014? Nobody will make 4K plasma... that'd be surprising for Panasonic to do though, they are probably doing good business on the 1080p plasmas...
 
I've read that the new Sony KDL-55W905A is perfect for gaming. Very low input lag. It's pretty expensive though, $2300. I really hate having to put it on Game Mode on my samsung, it always makes the game look quite a bit uglier.
 
I though Panasonic said they would be all 4K for new TVs in 2014? Nobody will make 4K plasma... that'd be surprising for Panasonic to do though, they are probably doing good business on the 1080p plasmas...

You're right, just looked that up. Should be good! Hope they're a bit more affordable come next year!
 
I read the last few pages of this thread and it's just weird, so it's mostly people recommend Panasonic and plasma as the superior and best for games and tell people to avoid Samsung/lcd, but the people actually posting photos of their pickup are getting Samsungs.
 
After seeing that OLED is having problems with motion, I guess plasma will continue to be the best. Doesn't hurt that it will also be the cheapest option.

There's suppose to be QLED in the works that may end up being the best of all worlds.


http://www.qdvision.com/qled-technology

QD Vision is currently working with development partners to incorporate QLED technology into full-color displays and lighting devices to improve color, power efficiency, form factor and manufacturing costs for consumer electronics and solid-state lighting products. The company is working with government agencies and the military, material and display manufacturers, as well as manufacturing equipment makers to commercialize QLED technology, and offers high-quality electroluminescent-grade quantum dot materials, technology transfer and collaboration services to help its partners leap-frog the competition.

Pure Color – Today’s printable saturated QLEDs essentially match or exceed NSTC color standards for displays without the need for color filters (see figure below). The excellent color performance of QLEDs ultimately translates into a 30-40% luminance efficiency advantage over organic light emitting diodes (OLEDs) at the same color point. Current OLED displays require lossy color filtering to achieve a similar color performance.

Low Power Consumption – The luminous power efficiency of any LED is inversely proportional to its operating voltage. QD Vision’s recent advancements in materials and device structures have led to very low operating voltage QLEDs, exhibiting turn-on voltages at the bandgap voltage of the material. Based on our measurement and analysis, when the exceptional color purity and low voltage operation of QLEDs are factored into the overall display power efficiency, QLEDs have the potential to be more than twice as power efficient as OLEDs at the same color purity.

Low-cost Manufacture – QD Vision is developing quantum dot printing techniques with high material utilization to realize low-cost, full-color active-matrix displays and lighting devices. The ability to print QD emitters using a simple QLED device structure, without the need for color filters or a backlight, greatly simplifies the bill of materials for a QLED display. By not requiring glass or additional optics in future solid-state lighting devices, the ability to print large-area QLEDs on ultra-thin flexible substrates will reduce luminaire manufacturing cost.

Ulra-thin, Transparent, Flexible Form Factors – Today’s LCD displays and LED chips are fabricated on glass and crystalline substrates making them inherently expensive and fragile for mobile and large area applications. QLEDs are only a couple hundred nanometers thick making them virtually transparent and flexible, and highly suitable for integration onto plastic or metal foil substrates as well as other surfaces. These attributes will enable product designers to develop new display and lighting forms not possible with existing technologies.

The unique combination of extraordinary color, high efficiency, form factor and solution-processability makes QD Vision’s QLEDs a breakthrough electroluminescent technology for next generation electronic displays and solid-state lighting applications.
 
I don't think the tech is complete yet, so I doubt it.

Half and half. Sony's W900A uses the quantum dot technology for colour enchancement, but doesn't use direct inorganic LEDs to drive the pixels. From what I understand the stack in the W/X 900's is like LED frame + Qdots under LCD
 
So what is the best LED TV currently? are the Sony 802a and 900a one of the best?

Seems like the two best are the Samsung F8000 and the Sony W900A. The 802A is a step down from those two but still good. Trying to decide if I should get the 802A or hold out for the X/W 900 to go on sale is where I'm stuck.
 
I'm pretty set on picking up the 47" W802A this weekend after reading through this thread on and off the last few months. I'm sure the nuances of plasmas are somewhat overblown, but I'd rather not invoke any OCD after dropping $1,000+ and am willing to take a bit of a hit in picture quality for the peace of mind.

This set will be for my room, replacing my 32" Samsung 720P lcd, and will mainly be used for gaming, but some tv/movies as well.

Is a sub 50 inch screen really a determent for 1080P? Spending an extra $400 for the 55" model doesn't really seem worth it to me. At that point I'd almost feel compelled to go all out for the 900A, but I'm afraid that might be a little too big for my room.
 
Is a sub 50 inch screen really a determent for 1080P? Spending an extra $400 for the 55" model doesn't really seem worth it to me. At that point I'd almost feel compelled to go all out for the 900A, but I'm afraid that might be a little too big for my room.

It depends on how far away you're sitting. At around 7' viewing distance, 55" feels just right to me.
 
I'm looking at the Samsung UN60F7100 for about $1600. 60" 240hz LED LCD. I've owned tons of Samsung LCD sets, and loved my 46" UN46B8000. Played games beautifully.

Aside from the, but you could get a plasma feelings out there, anyone have this series or know anything related to gaming about it?

where did you find it at that great price? I was eyeing that tv for $1,899 on amazon,
 
Seems like the two best are the Samsung F8000 and the Sony W900A. The 802A is a step down from those two but still good. Trying to decide if I should get the 802A or hold out for the X/W 900 to go on sale is where I'm stuck.

I've just bought a W8 55" coming from a 2008 kuro.

Blacks not as good as you might expect, but gaming looks amazing, very detailed and motion is excellent.

It also has a impulse backlight scanning mode a bit like lightboost on asus 120hz monitors,
it virtually eliminates motion blur but the downside being that the backlight is quite a bit darker, but it is possible to adjust the settings to bring it back to parity.

Also the W8 has the lowest input lag of any Sony 2013 TV.
 
All right guys I took the plunge. My TC-P65VT60 will be arriving next Saturday. I'm so excited!

Any advice on breaking it in? Also I have one of those Essentials Blurays to calibrate my TV. Is that my best bet or is there somewhere on the Internet where I can just get the optimal settings?

Breaking it in I would say just mix content, ideally mostly full screen and don't go to crazy with static images for the first few hours. Normal viewing will break it in on it's own.

No real need to use break in slides or anything unless you are trying to age the panel very quickly for calibration.

You can always check TweakTV and AVS forums, HighDefJunkies, and Cnet etc. They all usually have settings. the VT is pretty popular so you would probably have a lot to choose from. Just FYI though you may want to try multiple peoples settings as the difference in a panel can be a great as 20% when it comes to settings as they don't always transfer over well.

You can use the disc you have but outside of adjusting the basic picture settings you cannot do anything really advanced unless you have a meter and software to output what the meter is reading.
 
tks for this thread guys...probably won't be getting my TV till early next year, but will use this as a guide. Likely get a sony 47 in. W8 as that's my preferred size and everything that seems to be slightly better goes to 55'
 
Breaking it in I would say just mix content, ideally mostly full screen and don't go to crazy with static images for the first few hours. Normal viewing will break it in on it's own.

No real need to use break in slides or anything unless you are trying to age the panel very quickly for calibration.

You can always check TweakTV and AVS forums, HighDefJunkies, and Cnet etc. They all usually have settings. the VT is pretty popular so you would probably have a lot to choose from. Just FYI though you may want to try multiple peoples settings as the difference in a panel can be a great as 20% when it comes to settings as they don't always transfer over well.

You can use the disc you have but outside of adjusting the basic picture settings you cannot do anything really advanced unless you have a meter and software to output what the meter is reading.

Honestly if he doesn't want to get his set calibrated, just put it in THX mode and be done with it. I'm always surprised how accurate the THX mode is out of the box on Panasonic TV's. There is little to improve.
 
Honestly if he doesn't want to get his set calibrated, just put it in THX mode and be done with it. I'm always surprised how accurate the THX mode is out of the box on Panasonic TV's. There is little to improve.

This is true it is very accurate but there are improvements that can be made. Its gamma isnt very good and cannot be adjusted in THX. Also they can have a little to high green or red. It is very very good though.
 
So apparently the 1 free year of Netflix when you buy a Sony TV doesn't apply to Canada, didn't realize that until after I ordered it. What are the chances Sony will offer me something to not return it?
 
This thread is getting active. Seems the next gen. systems have us getting TV hungry again. I bought and returned a 65 inch 7100 Samsung thinking I'd save $800 over the F8000. What I didn't know about when I bought it was the "Samsung panel lottery" crap. I bought a Sharp panel inside a Samsung box and it had bad vertical banding and DSE. The 7100 should be a good TV but make sure you have access to the panel version (located on the side of the box) before you buy. If you want a Samsung panel,make sure it starts with TXXX. Now I'm vacillating between the F8000 and the plasma, F8500. I know the plasma has better picture quality by far over the LED but the input lag has me somewhat concerned. Samsung apparently fixed the input lag on the F8000 series and lowered it to a reported 20-30ms. Decisions, decisions.
 
After a lot of thought, I'll probably will hold off on getting a TV until 4Ks come down in price.

I have no idea my current input lag on my computer but 40ms is too much after doing some testing for the Sam F7100 and the picture, while great, wasn't impressing considering how close I sit.

Maybe when next gen hits, I'll be a little more motivated.
 
This is true it is very accurate but there are improvements that can be made. Its gamma isnt very good and cannot be adjusted in THX. Also they can have a little to high green or red. It is very very good though.

Sure I know. I calibrate TV's using my i1pro (a little old) but what I meant that there is little to improve to the untrained eye.
 
where did you find it at that great price? I was eyeing that tv for $1,899 on amazon,

where did you find it at that great price? I was eyeing that tv for $1,899 on amazon,

Actually wound up buying it at $1699.98 at P.C. Richard after some successful haggling just yesterday. Haven't gotten to game on it yet.

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Not to mention that I'd be very surprised to see a single game this coming gen that is rendered in anything higher than 1920*1080.
Even if we get such games, they'll be downscaled to 1080p on consoles and you really won't see a benefit from going 4k unless you hook it up to monster pc rig.
 
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