Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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Militaratus
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Here in the Netherlands I'm about to pull the trigger on a European version of the Samsung 55KS8000 (55KS7000 in EU) since a site is selling it 400+ cheaper than others for 1600.
However, is this version exactly the same as the US version? If yes, then can I use the Rtings calibration? If no, how different is it?
And for the moment is this the best 4K HDR TV for Video Gaming in the $2000 price range?
How future proof is this set? Getting a PS4 Pro.
The silly LG E6 is still 4000 here. XD
However, is this version exactly the same as the US version? If yes, then can I use the Rtings calibration? If no, how different is it?
And for the moment is this the best 4K HDR TV for Video Gaming in the $2000 price range?
How future proof is this set? Getting a PS4 Pro.
The silly LG E6 is still 4000 here. XD
LG it is
MatrixMan.EXE
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I am pleased with this answer.
Inglorious_ Man
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I wish in the U.S. that Panasonic would release their 4k/HDR tv's. That would give us another choice.
I've decided to wait a couple of years before buying an OLED, but still need a decent 4K/HDR TV in the meantime. I have a hard time deciding which to go for, though, especially when factoring in input lag. Right now I'm looking at:
- Samsung 55" KS8000 (EU version): ~ 1735 USD, ~ 1347 GBP
- Samsung 55" KS9000 (curved) (EU version): ~ 2038 USD, ~ 1580 GBP
- Panasonic 58" DX750 (Digital Foundry's TV/recommendation): ~ 1918 USD, ~ 1487 GBP
- Sony XD80/XD8000 55": ~ 1319 USD, ~ 1022 GBP
Any thoughts, advice, recommendations?
- Samsung 55" KS8000 (EU version): ~ 1735 USD, ~ 1347 GBP
- Samsung 55" KS9000 (curved) (EU version): ~ 2038 USD, ~ 1580 GBP
- Panasonic 58" DX750 (Digital Foundry's TV/recommendation): ~ 1918 USD, ~ 1487 GBP
- Sony XD80/XD8000 55": ~ 1319 USD, ~ 1022 GBP
Any thoughts, advice, recommendations?
Caayn
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Disabling Trumotion kills the vast amount of input lag when not inside game mode on LG OLEDs. Making game mode kinda unneeded. This can be done with hdr activated as well.
Disagreed.
Game mode on the E6 is ~34 ms.
4K@60hz + HDR (for PS Pro and Scorpio) is ~67,5 ms.
That's quite a difference.
Caayn
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Is that with Trumotion enabled or disabled? With the 2015 models disabling Trumotion would result in roughly the same input lag as in game mode.
Disabled.
With TruMotion on, the input lag is 120 ms++, and that's just in 1080p with SDR.
I'd hold off on throwing the OLED data from rtings.com around. At least until another source can verify it. It's not the first time they've been wrong. For instance, look at the B6 numbers and tell how those are even possible.
I have the E6 and don't notice anything at all. Even outside of game mode I don't really notice anything. I wouldn't worry too much about it, unless you're going for the B6 which has higher lag than the other models for some reason.
And, apparently the Oppo 203 will support Dolby Vision! Hell ya! Update is at the bottom of the page.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/udp203-201609164363.htm
I have a X34 Predator as a PC monitor (5ms input lag) and have no troubles going back and forth between it and my C6 OLED. I've also tried the HDR mode which apparently has much higher lag but couldn't tell much a difference...
FPS I still play on the X34. Hard to give up the 100 Hz for competitive gaming, but everything else is more than fine on the OLED.
It's the only source we've got so far - right now it's at least more reliable than just claiming that there is no difference between having Game Mode enabled and disabled.
The B6 numbers are weird, for sure. The only possible reason i can think of is the different SoC in the B6. The rest of the 2016 OLED line use a different SoC.
HDR mode is a fake HDR effect for non HDR content.
The 2016 LG OLEDs can run game mode and HDR hand in hand. HDR is a completely different setting (HDMI Ultra HD Deep Colour to be precise)
I put the TV in actual HDR mode (not using the picture settings). You can do it using Nvidia's HDR SDK. Game mode is not available when in HDR, there's only three presets: HDR Bright, HDR Vivid, and HDR Standard
It's the same presets I have when running HDR movie content, as well.
For what it's worth I ran a stopwatch test with my X34 and the TV in HDR mode, and saw a 48ms difference. The X34 itself has ~5ms input lag. There's a lot of settings that get enabled when HDR in on like Super Resolution (sharpening filter), True Motion etc.. I turned all that off.
I've stopped frequenting this thread because people love to use Rtings' incorrect numbers as gospel.
It's pretty weird to see people cling to a site which can't even get an editor to proof read before publishing anything.
I'm totally down for the Dolby Vision UHD BD player!
cyborgnumberblue
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This is the same TV I'm considering getting. For that price range, it's either this or the Vizio P series. I'm leaning towards the Samsung because of the report that the Vizio's dedicated game HDMI port doesn't allow HDR. Using any other HDMI port with the HDR on results in about 60ms of input lag as opposed to the 20ms the Samsung has.
I've stopped frequenting this thread because people love to use Rtings' incorrect numbers as gospel.
It's pretty weird to see people cling to a site which can't even get an editor to proof read before publishing anything.
I'm totally down for the Dolby Vision UHD BD player!
Yeah I keep seeing that Rtings link pop up, but like ukas said I'm waiting until someone else can back up their numbers, because I'm not confident in their findings at all...at least not in regard to 4k signals or OLED displays.
I asked hdtvtest.co.uk on twitter if they would test the E6 they have for lag times in HDR mode, but didn't get an answer. They were the ones that tested the KS8000s lag in HDR mode.
seems to roughly match polish mag tests:
https://hdtvpolska.com/forum/topic/...ogi-baza-input-lag-telewizory/#comment-388378
but theirs are so far without any HDR testing.... they should update it in October.
FarFromAnyGame
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But gaming in HDR more than doubles the input lag to like 66 ms
Jigolo
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UHD Oppo 203 First look by avforums
https://www.avforums.com/news/first-look-at-the-oppo-udp-203-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-player.12972
If you're a fan of Life of Pi, they reviewed the UHD version and here's the verdict
https://www.avforums.com/review/Life-of-Pi-4K-Ultra-HD-Blu-ray-Review.12944
https://www.avforums.com/news/first-look-at-the-oppo-udp-203-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-player.12972
If you're a fan of Life of Pi, they reviewed the UHD version and here's the verdict
https://www.avforums.com/review/Life-of-Pi-4K-Ultra-HD-Blu-ray-Review.12944
I found the lag outside game mode to be totally unacceptable and extremely obvious. I can't see how someone wouldn't notice it. In game mode, it's okay unless you're really into competitive multiplayer games or plan on playing HDR which you can't turn on in game mode. Basically LG's 2016 line of OLEDs as they stand now are a bad buy for gamers. If a firmware update comes out to allow HDR with game mode then I'd recommend it but it's still better to wait till next year for lower input lag.
You need to turn off all the extra PQ settings when going to non-Game modes - Super Resolution, TruMotion etc. Otherwise the input lag is crazy high like over 100ms.
If you did that... then I'm not sure. It's fine for me even in ISF Dark mode.
You could also be sensitive to input lag? I've seen various other posters have 0 issues with lag inside and outside of game mode. I'm actually playing outside of game mode at the moment for testing and have no issues with it.
Edit: I'm actually in ISF Bright which is calibrated so no extra BS is on.
I could definitely tell but I was upgrading from a 20ms Sony TV that I could compare it with. Also had the Samsung KS8000 at the same time to compare too, ended up keeping the Samsung and returned the LG. For gamers I think the KS8000 is the clear winner right now due to HDR with game mode. Make no mistake however that as soon as LG can drop their input lag I'm selling the KS8000 and picking one up. The OLED picture quality is just mind blowing.
It's fine with game mode on, even with MP games when played casually. But it is noticeable and not something I want to be handicapped with when I'm playing fast paced ranked competitive games. But again, the deal breaker for me is that there's no HDR with game mode. And yeah, I probably am more sensitive to input lag than the average gamer.
Yeah, most people that are buying the OLEDs doing so as videophiles and gaming second or probably not at all.
True, though I expect that to change over the next year or two.
I'm sensitive to input lag myself and I find ISF Expert to be perfectly playable. No extra post processing settings are enabled.
HDR doesn't enable those either, so the input lag shouldn't be affected much, if any.
MatrixMan.EXE
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That...is not good. Does the Sony TV reduce this. Going to have to do more research into this.
Only the X800D can keep a consistent 33ms in all input up to 4k hdr. Everything else from sony is trash for games.
If you're picking up Forza Horizon 3 on X1, let us know how it goes with HDR on. I have the LG OLED until Saturday so I may give it a shot Friday night before it goes back but I may not have the chance. Either way, I'll definitely let people know how it goes with the KS8000.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Seeing as the main reason I'm buying this is for gaming, that's a pretty big deal for me.
Yappadappadu
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Although I had the E6 and a Leo Bodnar device, I never measured the input lag.
I don't even remember whether I tried playing on it by using the ISF mode (think I went straight to game mode).
I also had last year's EF9500/EF950V and can confirm for that one at least that isf mode has similar input lag numbers (abt. 53 ms) to the game mode (measured by myself and confirmed by others).
I'm currently back to my old Sony LED with 20 ms of input lag, but I plan to jump back into OLED once the HDR gaming issue is cleared up.
I don't even remember whether I tried playing on it by using the ISF mode (think I went straight to game mode).
I also had last year's EF9500/EF950V and can confirm for that one at least that isf mode has similar input lag numbers (abt. 53 ms) to the game mode (measured by myself and confirmed by others).
I'm currently back to my old Sony LED with 20 ms of input lag, but I plan to jump back into OLED once the HDR gaming issue is cleared up.
Yeah if you go to rtings.com and look up the TV model you want, then scroll down to "input" and it breaks down the input lag in game, HDR and other various modes. I'm personally gonna get a sub $1,000 set because I need to save money and they all look good outside of OLED, which looks unreal. But those are expensive as fuck and the input lag is terrible.
I was going to pick it up on PC until they confirmed they didn't bother including HDR in that version. Oh well.
Buy it digitally and get both versions.
memecomplex
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That's because the X34 has close to 10ms of lag in total. From tftcentral.co.uk:
I recently bought a 5ms total lag LCD gaming monitor in search of that CRT feel and although it is significantly better than my aging Kuro, it's still a touch floaty compared to the 0 lag of my old CRTs. Analog is still king after all these years!
Nice $800 off lowest price I've seen on Amazon.
I've seen cheaper on other sites, but I've never heard of most of those places so I didn't want to risk ordering from them.
Yeah, I would not risk it bet they would have terrible return policy.
A Twisty Fluken
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I want to note, for all the FUD regarding the input lag on the B6, I got the 55" model at a good price on amazon, and I have no issue playing Project Diva X on it, and I'm coming from a W800B and previously a KRP-500M. So I'd say make damn sure you're sensitive to input lag on that level before you close yourself off.
I'm a bit more worried about input lag on the B6 when combining 4K and HDR.
Hopefully we will get some more definitive answers soon.
Art Vandilay
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I understand your TV is broken, but you could get a much better TV in that price range in about two months.