DJ Lushious
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This question is too broad to answer. Come back with price range, speaker pairings, and room the AVR is going in.
Regardless, nowadays AVRs have a Game Mode where no, or little, input lag is introduced into the HDMI chain.
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Regardless, nowadays AVRs have a Game Mode where no, or little, input lag is introduced into the HDMI chain.
holygeesus
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Normal.
n0razi
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I ordered the 55" KS8000 for $730 a couple days ago and had buyers remorse (OLED being superior and the bad off angle viewing of edge lit LCDs). I saw the 55" LG OLED B6 for $1499 today along with LGs announcement of HDR gamemode support so I pulled the trigger on that and cancelled the KS8000. Please tell me I did the right thing lol... its double the price but I figured if Im spending that much I might as well get the best.
Wide.
holygeesus
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Barry Burton
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Where'd you see it for $1500?
n0razi
Member
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LG-OLED55B6P-Flat-55-Inch-4K-Ultra-HD-Smart-OLED-TV-/272285069096
Also $100 ebay bucks available
Metalstrike
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f@luS
More than a member.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
because people quote random customer service folk who have no idea what's actually going on and just say something to resolve the interaction
Wide.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
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f@luS
More than a member.
But Jstevenson said normal
I just tried for infamous and find that it's much more colorful in wide in comparaison to sdr normal gamut. Isn't it supposed to look the same ? If wide is correct
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
But Jstevenson said normal
I just tried for infamous and find that it's much more colorful in wide in comparaison to sdr normal gamut. Isn't it supposed to look the same ? If wide is correct
yeah, I've tried doing more research on this.
so it doesn't really matter which you select in terms of tracking the rec2020 space. HDR-10 automatically kicks the TV into that mode and they are tracking rec2020 (though as always, the TV can really only truly do DCI-P3 and most of the content is mastered to stay within those bounds inside that rec2020 container)
Wide vs Normal vs Extended does change where the color tracking ends up though, and it seems as if Normal is maybe more accurate than normal, but both aren't perfect out of the box either. Wide is pushing the low ranges of the colors too much.
So I'm back in camp Normal, sorry Kyoufu.
All that said - I think both are off somewhat, wide is off more. And the only way to fix it is with a calibrator who gets those colors locked in, and you could potentially calibrate with a meter from either wide or normal. It appears Normal would be the easier position to begin from though.
Relevant AVS discussion amongst a couple calibrators here and on the following page (18):
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...-lg-oled-55-65e6-info-issues-settings-17.html
Those ratings don't mean much except that the sample rtings reviewed had, to them, good black unformity/level for a LED TV.
The gap is certainly wider than the ratings would make you think.
I can see some obvious clouding in their 9.8 black uniformity picture for example.
Mixolydian
Member
I'm more curious where you found the 55 for $730.
What's the general consensus on this tv? Gonna be $479 + tax on BF. Mostly use it for PS4 and netflix
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...-4k-ultra-hd-tv-black/5624256.p?skuId=5624256
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...-4k-ultra-hd-tv-black/5624256.p?skuId=5624256
draftingscotch
Member
So, I got a 65" KS8000 thanks to an EPP invite from a generous forum member here, and it has absolutely blown me away.
I'm replacing a 12 year old 42" Westinghouse, and this is a revolutionary upgrade. The black levels are as deep as it gets, even after seeing the OLEDs in Best Buy (I do have bias lighting behind the set, but I've been very pleasantly surprised after hearing complaints about the set not having local dimming), the colors pop, and the set gets bright enough to have to squint.
I've read the entire threads on AVSForum for the KS8000 and for the P-Series Vizios, so I've been VERY aware of the many potential shortcomings of the sets, and I've been pretty worried all the way up until actually turning on the new TV, so it's been a huge relief to be so happy with the new set (no blooming, light leaking, or uneven backlighting).
Luckily, gaming feels great, too (Battlefield 1, Titanfall 2, Uncharted 4), with minimal lag and not really any judder (maybe it's just so much better than my old TV). I like that the old PS4 can do HDR even if it can't do 4K, and I've sold my XBox One so I can buy a One S on Black Friday and get the UHD player.
I don't have cable, so I can't speak to that, but Netflix, Amazon, YouTube, etc have been fantastic both in 4K HDR and regular HD. I've managed to blow away my friends and family with the various 4K demos, and now they're asking about invites to the EPP program (unfortunately, it looks like I can't give out invites with my once-removed account).
If you can find an EPP invite, this set is a pretty great value.
I'm replacing a 12 year old 42" Westinghouse, and this is a revolutionary upgrade. The black levels are as deep as it gets, even after seeing the OLEDs in Best Buy (I do have bias lighting behind the set, but I've been very pleasantly surprised after hearing complaints about the set not having local dimming), the colors pop, and the set gets bright enough to have to squint.
I've read the entire threads on AVSForum for the KS8000 and for the P-Series Vizios, so I've been VERY aware of the many potential shortcomings of the sets, and I've been pretty worried all the way up until actually turning on the new TV, so it's been a huge relief to be so happy with the new set (no blooming, light leaking, or uneven backlighting).
Luckily, gaming feels great, too (Battlefield 1, Titanfall 2, Uncharted 4), with minimal lag and not really any judder (maybe it's just so much better than my old TV). I like that the old PS4 can do HDR even if it can't do 4K, and I've sold my XBox One so I can buy a One S on Black Friday and get the UHD player.
I don't have cable, so I can't speak to that, but Netflix, Amazon, YouTube, etc have been fantastic both in 4K HDR and regular HD. I've managed to blow away my friends and family with the various 4K demos, and now they're asking about invites to the EPP program (unfortunately, it looks like I can't give out invites with my once-removed account).
If you can find an EPP invite, this set is a pretty great value.
NYR
Member
Cool, yes, by preference and honestly unapologetic, I won't use warm2, I hate how it looks.
Saturated? Not at all. Here is a picture of my settings and here is a second pic where the color is jacked up 10 points - mine looks reasonable whereas the second is my definition of saturation. I do not consider the first picture saturated at all. Again, not arguing mine is a calibrated standard, my settings are for me but I would not call my settings saturated.
My settings:
Example of over saturation by turning up the color:
Yappadappadu
Member
What size is that?
NYR
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Aztechnology
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NYR
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To each their own.
Mixolydian
Member
Is it possible to get an EPP invite, or did samsung close that loophole?
To clarify, what I'm laughing about, LG apparently not only has a dedicated video mode for when it detects an HDR signal (HDR Vivid, HDR Bright, and HDR Standard), but within whichever HDR mode, it apparently tracks Rec. 2020 in several different ways. Think color temperatures except instead of Warm1 or Warm2, it's Normal, Extended, or Wide. That's utterly confusing if you don't have a colorimeter or spectrophotometer measuring that behavior although, it's things like this which are the exact reasons why measurement tools are important (and why calibrating is important too). So Chad's not wrong at all to use Normal when in HDR Vivid, HDR Bright, or HDR Standard for any 2016 LG OLED because Normal in this case means Rec. 2020 still. Rec. 2020 with the least amount of dE errors. In Sony and Samsung TVs, this is correctly labeled Rec. 2020 or Wide and switches color space appropriately.
holygeesus
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Normal.
Seriously, you can see it for yourself. Watch anything in Dolby Vision or HDR and with settings at Wide the picture is awful.
Horseticuffs
Full werewolf off the buckle
So tell me if I did good or no, please. I'm jumping from a 13 year old Samsung like 52" 720p set to a Samsung un40ku6300. I'm mainly a PC gamer and 4k was my main interest but I also want to be HDR ready when it comes to PC in force. I know a very few games support it at the moment. I also have a GTX 970 that I'll be upgrading to a 1070 in a few months.
Did I make a good move? I researched for a few hours and it seems to me so, but I'm just a dude. It was on Rtings.com list of best Fall 2016 gaming tv's so I felt pretty confident.
Did I make a good move? I researched for a few hours and it seems to me so, but I'm just a dude. It was on Rtings.com list of best Fall 2016 gaming tv's so I felt pretty confident.
I understand that the Samsung KS8000 is a very good set. How does it generally compare to the following two options, both a little cheaper at Costco? Would the KS8000 be flat-out better than either of these for day-to-day gaming / TV? Thank you.
Vizio M65-D0 ($1000 for 65" at Costco)
Samsung KU6500 ($1050 for 65" at Costco)
Vizio M65-D0 ($1000 for 65" at Costco)
Samsung KU6500 ($1050 for 65" at Costco)
DJ Lushious
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The Vizio M-Series are not in the same consumer class as your Samsung. The Vizio M-Series is an 8-bit panel and only has 64 FALD zones. Compare it against the P-Series, which is Vizio's flagship line right now, which has a 10-bit panel with 128 FALD zones.
I can't speak for the KU6500, but I'm sure it's in a similar situation as the M-Series.
NYR
Member
You. I like you.👍
Retromelon
Member
Hey yall. Is OLED a really noticeable improvement because for the size and resolution of tv I want to buy, it adds 2000 to the cost. Pics welcome
Is the 60" still on sale? If so, for how much? How long will these EPP discounts last?
I find it to be noticeable, especially in terms of black levels but I can't speak for you. You may not care about the differences and value saving $2000 or whatever more.
It'll probably be even more noticeable in 4 months when the new OLEDs come out with improvements across the board.
For $2000 more, no. When I bought mine, it was $1500 for a OLED55C6P or $1500 for a UN65KS8000.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
yeah in theory, LG's method is better (detect correct colorspace and use it without requiring user input)
Just should rename that menu option to be less confusing.
Aztechnology
Member
Rtings finally posted a video review of the 6300 today. So I thought I'd post it here for those who are on a tighter budget.
UNXXKU6300=UEXXKU6000
same as UNXXKU6290(without bluetooth)
https://youtu.be/xqhmi8zm8eg
UNXXKU6300=UEXXKU6000
same as UNXXKU6290(without bluetooth)
https://youtu.be/xqhmi8zm8eg
ss_lemonade
Member
So I'm still a bit conflicted on what to go with. If one were looking for a TV that would primarily be used for media consumption first and gaming second, would the 65in ks8000 be a better buy than something like the LG b6/c6 at 55in? I wish I could go with a 65 inch oled but the price difference is way too much. 55in oled is the highest I'm willing to go.
I already have a 55in at home. A quantum dot type TV too (w900a) so (I think?) I kind of have an idea what quantum dot TVs look like. I also think that 55 inches is big enough and that oleds look incredible from what demos I've seen, but 65 inches just seems so much bigger when the 2 TVs are side by side and the ks8000 looks great too and is less expensive.
I already have a 55in at home. A quantum dot type TV too (w900a) so (I think?) I kind of have an idea what quantum dot TVs look like. I also think that 55 inches is big enough and that oleds look incredible from what demos I've seen, but 65 inches just seems so much bigger when the 2 TVs are side by side and the ks8000 looks great too and is less expensive.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
it just depends. It's a question of size vs quality.
The OLED is better picture wise. But 65" is nice.
Also know, you can almost never go down... your TV always grows
Did you give up on the OLED?
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
Holy shit dude. That's probably the biggest upgrade anyone in this thread have gotten. I had a friend that had a Westinghouse LCD a decade ago. It was dogshit for even that time.
I'm going to overlook that black level comment.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
hahah yeah, the person coming from a 12 year old Westinghouse is throwing black level shade at the OLEDs.
Congrats on the new set though dude, that's a great upgrade, and a terrific set, especially for the price.