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Hey guys, been looking at the 55" in the Sony W8 series and it's looking good. It's £500 less than the W9 so it's missing the really good blacks that you get out of W9 and the triluminos software, but I hear it's only got 6ms input lag. Quite a few review sites love that.

Now my questions, what do you guys think? Is 6ms pretty good? General impressions would be welcome.

Considering waiting till Christmas as it's still quite expensive and *fingers crossed* hoping for some deals.

Also, been hearing you guys recommending plasmas. Why is that? I hear they can screen burns etc, when you have a lot of static pictures. That can't be good for gaming right?

Edit: Okay the display lag in this looks positively amazing if I go by that table posted above
 
Decided not to get 80 inch after all, around 12.5 ft view distance, my wife is trying to save money and convinced me to get 70 inch instead.
 
I forgot one last piece of my puzzle: rear surround speaker stands. Anyone have any suggestions?
 
I purchased an asus 27" vg278h and it had a stuck pixel, so i had it replaced. Got the replacement and it has a dead pixel, and a few pieces of dirt between the screen and back light. Screw it, I'm returning it.

Should I go for a Sony KDL32w650a ? I like to sit fairly close to the tv when I play. Will this work well as a monitor?

Any suggestions?
 
Spine_Ripper said:
This has everything I want...but the 60Hz...I want more damn it! :(
Other than that, it's perfect. I want something between 32-40 inches for the bedroom. Come on BF deals!
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What are the biggest disadvantages to having 60 Hz as opposed to 120 Hz (or more?) if it would be used primarily for gaming and movies/TV shows (Netflix, etc)?

For example, this Vizio M401i-A3 40-Inch 1080p 120 Hz TV seems to be similar to that Samsung but has the 120 Hz, and only 26 ms of input lag.

I really don't know much about TV's, so what would be the reason to get that Samsung over the Vizio?
 
I need some help, I need a 42", or 40" or 37" TV. for next gen gaming. Quality is highly important to me and my budget is quite good. I'm from the UK so only list models that are available in the UK. Also it cant be a plasma as I will also use the TV for everyday web browsing (will have PC hooked up).
 
Ok, I need to work a few things out here.

I will be getting the VT60 soon, but now that I have seen that PS4 will not support streaming content over my home network, I want to figure out an alternate solution.

Does the VT60 support streaming of content from my PC to the TV over wifi?
 
CREMSteve said:
Ok, I need to work a few things out here.

I will be getting the VT60 soon, but now that I have seen that PS4 will not support streaming content over my home network, I want to figure out an alternate solution.

Does the VT60 support streaming of content from my PC to the TV over wifi?
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Yup.
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/E-HELP_VT60.PDF

Lots of options.
Can even play MKV files.

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I'm a PC GAMER, I've got the BENQ24XL2420T, it's great for gaming.
I'm deciding on getting my first console which would be the PS4, my bro has the previous consoles I "sometimes" play those. But I'm really interested in the PS4.
I'm going to have the ps4 in my room with a couch and I'm looking for a TV, mostly LCD/LED, not plasma cuz their is too much light. Can anyone recommend me a TV with good input for gaming, I'm going to "sometimes" watch movies on it but not that much. So idc about tv shows or movie quality. 95percent it will be used for the PS4.

So any TV under $1k-1080p-120hz-lowLag-

I want my TV cost+ps4 to be under $1500.

EDIT: What do ya think of this one: Sony W802A
 
Would a 4K tv be worth it even if 1080p and 720p will most likely be the standard this gen? As in, how would it upscale to 4K?

Would it be better to get a really good 1080p instead?
 
So unless the consensus has recently changed regarding best gaming TVs, I'd like to grab one of the Panny Plasmas before they're put to bed next year.

Is there any actual noticeable difference between the ST/VT/ZT? I don't mind dropping the cash for the more expensive variants if there's a good reason to do so.
 
Any advice for selling old TVs on craiglist? Don't really want people coming to my house, but I'm guessing they'll want to see the tvs working...
 
BrokenEchelon said:
So unless the consensus has recently changed regarding best gaming TVs, I'd like to grab one of the Panny Plasmas before they're put to bed next year.

Is there any actual noticeable difference between the ST/VT/ZT? I don't mind dropping the cash for the more expensive variants if there's a good reason to do so.
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VT definitely has less input lag than the ST. Not sure about the ZT.
 
BrokenEchelon said:
So unless the consensus has recently changed regarding best gaming TVs, I'd like to grab one of the Panny Plasmas before they're put to bed next year.

Is there any actual noticeable difference between the ST/VT/ZT? I don't mind dropping the cash for the more expensive variants if there's a good reason to do so.
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The Xtortionist said:
VT definitely has less input lag than the ST. Not sure about the ZT.
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The ST60 is the only Panasonic plasma this year that has high input lag. S/GT/VT/ZT all have low input lag.

In terms of picture quality, you probably won't really be able to tell the difference unless you have a VT/ZT right next to one of the other models. They all look great.
 
The Xtortionist said:
VT definitely has less input lag than the ST. Not sure about the ZT.
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AndyMoogle said:
The ST60 is the only Panasonic plasma this year that has high input lag. S/GT/VT/ZT all have low input lag.

In terms of picture quality, you probably won't really be able to tell the difference unless you have a VT/ZT right next to one of the other models. They all look great.
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Ok, thanks for the input! I'll try to find a store with both of them side by side, but looks like I'll keep an eye out for a VT then.
 
LollipoPReapeR said:
Hey guys, been looking at the 55" in the Sony W8 series and it's looking good. It's £500 less than the W9 so it's missing the really good blacks that you get out of W9 and the triluminos software, but I hear it's only got 6ms input lag. Quite a few review sites love that.

Now my questions, what do you guys think? Is 6ms pretty good? General impressions would be welcome.

Considering waiting till Christmas as it's still quite expensive and *fingers crossed* hoping for some deals.

Also, been hearing you guys recommending plasmas. Why is that? I hear they can screen burns etc, when you have a lot of static pictures. That can't be good for gaming right?

Edit: Okay the display lag in this looks positively amazing if I go by that table posted above
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the current Sony range is well received. Some have commented that the W8 series (so the W805 that you are looking at) doesn't have quite as good black levels as the W6 and W9, as it is an IPS screen.


KAL2006 said:
I need some help, I need a 42", or 40" or 37" TV. for next gen gaming. Quality is highly important to me and my budget is quite good. I'm from the UK so only list models that are available in the UK. Also it cant be a plasma as I will also use the TV for everyday web browsing (will have PC hooked up).
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Budget? Sony W656 range is good - low lag, good picture quality. No motionflow stuff which can help increase motion resolution for TV, but isn't really relevant for gaming.
 
Avjunkie speaks out about Panasonic leaving the Plasma market:

http://www.highdefjunkies.com/gener...onic-insiders-thread-rumors-hints-info-5.html

"Sadly we let go of plasma. While the press release is more general I'll be a bit more forthcoming.
Unfortunately price competition made it hard to be profitable. That's true. But the untold story I'll touch on.
Internally the wrong message pr wise was being told about plasma from the beginning. Too many changes internally. Too much stubborn office politics. And not enough support when you need it. It'll be the doom of any line. The main reason we have to move on is technology hit a roadblock. We simply cannot make a 4k plasma in a reasonable manner for retail without significant investment and that'll carry a big time price tag.

When the company is bleeding money a responsible business leader would choose to mitigate risk and go with established technologies and also pursue future ones. I've always said .. The company of the future... That is ahead of everyone else... Is SONY. Panasonic is now on that same path. As will every other Japanese company. Japanese companies will rise again stronger than ever. It will just take time but I'm very very confident that the most innovative products the world has ever seen will only come from japan.

So yes. The line is Led and no pdp for 2014.ive hinted it for as long as i can. But I can finally let that out. And we originally had pdp on the table as a big option .. But mgmt said no go. I do as I'm told. Many will be laid off today as a result of this news. My prayers are with all of us here at Panasonic."
 
This means I will sell my VT60 and get a ZT60 for maximum awesomeness until an OLED comes around that I like and is not 10k.
 
I looked through the thread and I was surprised no one mentioned experience with the Samsung PN51F5300 51-Inch. It seemed pretty good and a bit cheaper and better design then the S60.

Am I wrong? Any experiences with it?
 
BrokenEchelon said:
So unless the consensus has recently changed regarding best gaming TVs, I'd like to grab one of the Panny Plasmas before they're put to bed next year.

Is there any actual noticeable difference between the ST/VT/ZT? I don't mind dropping the cash for the more expensive variants if there's a good reason to do so.
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Outside of input lag, which has been covered again and again (ST has high lag, everything else is fine), here is the breakdown of Panny's plasma line. This is straight from Panasonic.

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All reviews point to the VT being every bit as awesome as the ZT, with one exception, it doesn't perform as well in well-lit environments. If your room is dark though, the VT is every bit as good, picture-wise.
 
Emarv said:
I looked through the thread and I was surprised no one mentioned experience with the Samsung PN51F5300 51-Inch. It seemed pretty good and a bit cheaper and better design then the S60.

Am I wrong? Any experiences with it?
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When it comes to plasma everyone gets a real hard on for Panasonic but Samsung make really good plasmas that are arguably as good as the comparable Panasonics. When I purchased my Samsung plasma the comparible model was the V10 which had slightly better blacks initially but it had the whole 'rising blacks' bug written into the tvs software.

Anyway, the main problem is input lag. Samsung have really good processing in their sets to clean up non 1080p 1:1 sources as well as generally cleaning up the image as a whole but it comes as the cost of input latency. So that maybe something to consider as a gamer.
 
Thanks for the info!

Yeah, I looked at the raw numbers on the input database and reviews and it seemed like the Panasonic S60 had 34ms and the Samsung 5300 had 47ms. I'm a newbie, so I'm not sure how much difference that would make.

I really would like the S60, but part of me wants the Samsung for bezel aesthetics as well. I know that's a little shallow, but I like pretty looking TV's in addition to good image quality. I just hope I'm not making a mistake.
 
I recently got my 50" Sony W6 (KDL-50W656A to be exact) and I can say this is by far the best TV I have ever owned, and I owned quite a few.

- great black levels (same as the W9 series according to reviews)
- next to no backlight bleeding/DSE
- great contrast
- and very importantly, no perceptible input lag in game mode (14ms in Bodnar test)

There's a reason Sony uses this TV at PS4 demo stations :-)

Can highly recommend.
 
mrklaw said:
the current Sony range is well received. Some have commented that the W8 series (so the W805 that you are looking at) doesn't have quite as good black levels as the W6 and W9, as it is an IPS screen.
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Yeah, ive heard this too. But will it matter THAT much? I mean this TV will be used for a lot of other things too like movies. Plus with an IPS screen I'll get a wider viewing angle, although wont be much use in gaming
 
LollipoPReapeR said:
Yeah, ive heard this too. But will it matter THAT much? I mean this TV will be used for a lot of other things too like movies. Plus with an IPS screen I'll get a wider viewing angle, although wont be much use in gaming
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Depends, if you mainly use your TV in a brightly lit room, the worse black level isn't that noticeable. If you prefer to switch off the lights while gaming/watching movies though, then that's another story...

I looked at both the W6 and W8 models and IMO, if you don't need 3D functionality, the W6 is the better option.
 
gruenel said:
I recently got my 50" Sony W6 (KDL-50W656A to be exact) and I can say this is by far the best TV I have ever owned, and I owned quite a few.

- great black levels (same as the W9 series according to reviews)
- next to no backlight bleeding/DSE
- great contrast
- and very importantly, no perceptible input lag in game mode (14ms in Bodnar test)

There's a reason Sony uses this TV at PS4 demo stations :-)

Can highly recommend.
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What about banding? I was really interested in Sony's W6 series, especially since I can get the 42 inch for less than $600, but I'm reading everywhere that it suffers from banding issues.
 
gruenel said:
I recently got my 50" Sony W6 (KDL-50W656A to be exact) and I can say this is by far the best TV I have ever owned, and I owned quite a few.

- great black levels (same as the W9 series according to reviews)
- next to no backlight bleeding/DSE
- great contrast
- and very importantly, no perceptible input lag in game mode (14ms in Bodnar test)

There's a reason Sony uses this TV at PS4 demo stations :-)

Can highly recommend.
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What's the USA model name of that tv? How does this compare to the one you got. Sony W802A http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-kdl-55w802a/4505-6482_7-35561934.html
 
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