Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen

LaneDS said:
Pretty much down to the following three models:

VT60
ZT60
W900A

I'm a little afraid of the plasmas due to all the extra care that goes into optimizing their use, but on the other hand I don't have any reason to believe I can't properly take care of and calibrate a TV.

Haven't been able to find out what the display lag is like on my previous TV from 2007 (a Sharp Aquos 42D64U) so I'm having trouble knowing how noticeable a TV with good display lag numbers (the W900A) would be versus one of the laggier plasma displays compared to the Aquos I've done the bulk of my console gaming on for the past six years. Anyone have that information or know where I can find it?

I primarily want the TV for gaming, but I don't play at any sort of competitive level where display lag is my priority. I'm looking for a picture quality that impresses on a 55-65 inch display, without having to sacrifice enjoyment due to display lag.
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We're in the same boat. I've eliminated the ZT60 because there is more image processing which introduces more lag for little picture benefit. The VT60 has a better pic than the Sony and is cheaper... So conflicted.
 
Panasonic P60S60 came in this morning. I set it up in a spare room with D-Nice's slides. I figure I should hit 100+ hour mark by next weekend. So excited!
 
BreakyBoy said:
Panasonic P60S60 came in this morning. I set it up in a spare room with D-Nice's slides. I figure I should hit 100+ hour mark by next weekend. So excited!
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Why slides? Just have moving images zoomed in to crop the watermarks. Wired fine for me.

zma1013 said:
Can someone please explain to me about these "slides?" 100 hours? What are you doing?
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100 hours is considered the acceptable break-in period to prevent burn-in. Worked for me.
 
Lucis said:
Anyone else jumped on the black friday deal for the Sony KDL 70R550A for 1500$ from frys?
I got one, The input lag is quoted to be 19ms in game mode, which it feels very acceptable. Tried PS4/PC on it, works great, the image is good and I do not notice clouding or uniformity issue on my unit, the light bleeding is not really noticeable either for a edge lit.
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You got super lucky. I tried getting it, kept entering my CC info and all and when it got to processing, it gave me an error. After 2 hours of trying it ran out of stock on me.
 
LiK said:
Why slides? Just have moving images zoomed in to crop the watermarks. Wired fine for me.
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I don't doubt that it did. All I had to do to set up the slides was unzip the file into an empty flash drive though. I'm not sure how grabbing any other images is any easier.

As for why single color slides are usually recommended, I believe the idea is that it ensures that all the phosphors are exercised evenly.

Do I think there's a bit of voodoo involved in all of this? Maybe. Then again, I'm out on vacation for the week, so it's not like I would be using the TV anyway.
 
I have to say, the biggest issue I worried about when getting a plasma was IR and burn-in but now that I have one I have to say it's a non-issue so far *crosses fingers*

Trying to play games without HUDs and scores which is tough but even when I do I have yet to see IR. Played TLoU for three hours straight and was sure the little combat mode HUD would create IR but absolutely nothing.
 
BreakyBoy said:
I don't doubt that it did. All I had to do to set up the slides was unzip the file into an empty flash drive though. I'm not sure how grabbing any other images is any easier.

As for why single color slides are usually recommended, I believe the idea is that it ensures that all the phosphors are exercised evenly.

Do I think there's a bit of voodoo involved in all of this? Maybe. Then again, I'm out on vacation for the week, so it's not like I would be using the TV anyway.
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I dunno, just having a TV channel on 24/7 will work fine. Just make sure to zoom in so no bars or watermarks are on screen and you're good to go. That was the method i used. My Panny plasma is from 2006 and doesn't have a single burn-in from years of gaming on it.

Never heard of the slides thing. Must be fairly recent or I'm outta the loop. But whatever works for you.
 
LiK said:
I dunno, just having a TV channel on 24/7 will work fine. Just make sure to zoom in so no bars or watermarks are on screen and you're good to go. That was the method i used. My Panny plasma is from 2006 and doesn't have a single burn-in from years of gaming on it.

Never heard of the slides thing. Must be fairly recent or I'm outta the loop. But whatever works for you.
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Actually, I don't even have any other source hooked up to it yet. Like I mentioned in that initial post, I set it up on the floor in a spare room for the break-in period. I intend to mount it next weekend.

Also, I think there may have been a but of a misunderstanding. The slides are actually made to help break-in the phosphors prior to calibration. Of course, the same process also helps for getting past the initial use period where the set is more prone to IR or burn-in. It isn't the primary reason those slides were provided by D-Nice at the AVSforums though.
 
I have the possibility to upgrade my 42" VT20 to a 42" ST60 for about 150€.

Should I do it ?
Is it a real significant upgrade ?
 
zma1013 said:
Can someone please explain to me about these "slides?" 100 hours? What are you doing?
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BreakyBoy said:
I don't doubt that it did. All I had to do to set up the slides was unzip the file into an empty flash drive though. I'm not sure how grabbing any other images is any easier.

As for why single color slides are usually recommended, I believe the idea is that it ensures that all the phosphors are exercised evenly.

Do I think there's a bit of voodoo involved in all of this? Maybe. Then again, I'm out on vacation for the week, so it's not like I would be using the TV anyway.
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The more detailed explanation is that the Phosphors in Plasma DIsplays (that display the picture) age over time. They age the fastest (real fast) when they are young.

Breaking in the Plasma does two things:
1. The Phosphors aged at the same time evenly will have no deviation. Every single spread out color will look the same display wide.

2. Preps the display for a specific calibrators settings. Every display is different so a custom calibration is needed for a perfect calibration of your personal set, but if you just want to use a calibrators settings posted online and they provide slides to run, you will end up with a closer approximation to what they envisioned.

Does break in prevent IR and Burn in? Maybe?
 
BreakyBoy said:
Actually, I don't even have any other source hooked up to it yet. Like I mentioned in that initial post, I set it up on the floor in a spare room for the break-in period. I intend to mount it next weekend.

Also, I think there may have been a but of a misunderstanding. The slides are actually made to help break-in the phosphors prior to calibration. Of course, the same process also helps for getting past the initial use period where the set is more prone to IR or burn-in. It isn't the primary reason those slides were provided by D-Nice at the AVSforums though.
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Ok, so you had nothing hooked up so that makes sense. But moving images are fine if you have TV hooked up. Not too worried a about whether they'll be evenly distributed.
 
Amneisac said:
Hmm so it looks like this is even worse in bright rooms than the $600 s60 I have sitting in the box because I'm too scared to open it. I might have to stick with lcd. I'm scared I really won't like the budget plasmas with reflective screens and ABLs.
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My bro has a samsung 51" Plasma forget the model but PN51 something, I am surprised it has a Bright look to it not very dimmed like I expected From a plasma, picture quality its very clear to. Not burn in and even has features to prevent that.
 
So my family is looking for a budget living room TV. Xbox One would be played on it. I'm thinking about one of these:

Samsung 51" Plasma $529.99 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-51-class-50-3-4-diag--plasma-1080p-600hz-hdtv/8239047.p?id=1218866283709&skuId=8239047&ci_src=5784816&ci_sku=8239047&ref=25&loc=PGR (thanks ProjectGemini07)

LG 55" LED $499 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-55-class-54-5-8-diag--led-1080p-120hz-hdtv/1725543.p?id=1219062287250&skuId=1725543


I've never owned a plasma and I'm kinda unreasonably afraid of IR and burn in. Our budget is around $500 but I could probably bump that up to around $600. Any suggestions or better deals? I'd like to go bigger if possible.
 
So I had kept telling myself that I'd buy a TV by the end of Cyber Monday in case there were any good deals today (or on Black Friday) but as expected there aren't any additional heavy discounts for the VT60 or the W900A. So now I'm wondering if waiting until CES is wise, with new models being announced then. While I can't see OLED sets coming down drastically in price, it'd be disappointing to spend so much on a set just to see affordable OLED suddenly become a reality.

Basically, what do you think GAF? Pull the trigger today on VT60 or W900A, or wait another month to see what CES brings?
 
fiore said:
Even after the 100 hour break in, has anyone still received image burn/retention?
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There was a huge thread in AVSforum a few years ago asking people to post stories if they had burn-in with plasmas. There were none posted in like thousands of posts. It was mainly IR which was nothing. The only guy who had real burn-in was using a Samsung LCD as a PC monitor. That was funny.

Anyway, trying to get burn-in of any kind especially on current sets is near impossible especially if you broken in the set.

I'll give you a good anecdote from my own experience. I once forgot to turn off my plasma and receiver for one FULL WEEK. It had the large Denon logo on it for all that time. I was worried I had burn-in after that. But guess what? It went away after watching some TV for like 10 minutes. After that, I couldn't give two shits about any burn-in. It's just IR and it goes away quickly.

Like I said before, I have a 2006 Plasma so your 2013 plasmas should be fine. Burn-in is not even an issue unless you try to get one on purpose.
 
I've had 3 plasmas. 2 out of the 3 have had no issues. My Pioneer from 2006 had some burn in from watching the NFL draft on ESPN all day and from playing Guitar Hero or Rock Band. The burn in occurred after babying the set with 100 hours of slides per AVS forum.

I haven't had any issues with my newer sets though, but people acting like burn-in is impossible are full of shit imo.
 
LaneDS said:
So I had kept telling myself that I'd buy a TV by the end of Cyber Monday in case there were any good deals today (or on Black Friday) but as expected there aren't any additional heavy discounts for the VT60 or the W900A. So now I'm wondering if waiting until CES is wise, with new models being announced then. While I can't see OLED sets coming down drastically in price, it'd be disappointing to spend so much on a set just to see affordable OLED suddenly become a reality.

Basically, what do you think GAF? Pull the trigger today on VT60 or W900A, or wait another month to see what CES brings?
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I've been thinking of doing the same... going back and forth of either buying the W900A or waiting till CES. Like yourself, I waited for BF..nothing.. waited for CM...nothing.

there are OLED TVs you can buy right now from Amazon for $8,749...I think that was a similar price last year for 4K TVs....and now you can get them for $3000 (ignoring the cheap Seiki ones).

I have a 40" Toshiba 1080p 120hz LCD (not LED)...my PS4 games still look great. I haven't started Killzone because wanted to play that on my new TV. But I think that is the main game you are missing out on playing on a new TV, if you wait for CES to see what you want to do. While still looking amazing, most of the other games are cross gen.

early next year there will be The Order, Infamous, DriveClub, and MLB...all sure to look truly next gen.....along with Titan Fall for XB1 and PC.

I'm going to wait till CES to see what Sony's VR headset will look like....as well as any new announcements regarding OLED TVs.....as well as content regarding 4K.

if nothing realistically interesting, I'm going to buy a W900a ASAP...regardless of price....I think I can wait 4 more weeks....I think I can.
 
I ordered the W900A, and it is being delievered Wednesday. I am leaving it in the box until I move back into the house (remodeling) sometime in January...

Cant wait to take that beast out and hook up some next gen goodness.

Also... give the 3D a try...
Anybody recommend a couple of good 3D blu rays? And not Avatar... I have seen that way too many times to be able to watch it again.
 
Vio-Lence said:
I've had 3 plasmas. 2 out of the 3 have had no issues. My Pioneer from 2006 had some burn in from watching the NFL draft on ESPN all day and from playing Guitar Hero or Rock Band. The burn in occurred after babying the set with 100 hours of slides per AVS forum.

I haven't had any issues with my newer sets though, but people acting like burn-in is impossible are full of shit imo.
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Burn-in is a rare occurrence, no one said it was impossible. What I'm saying is people should stop being paranoid about it especially for newer models.
 
Ordinator said:
So my family is looking for a budget living room TV. Xbox One would be played on it. I'm thinking about one of these:

Samsung 51" Plasma $529.99 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-51-class-50-3-4-diag--plasma-1080p-600hz-hdtv/8239047.p?id=1218866283709&skuId=8239047&ci_src=5784816&ci_sku=8239047&ref=25&loc=PGR (thanks ProjectGemini07)

LG 55" LED $499 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-55-class-54-5-8-diag--led-1080p-120hz-hdtv/1725543.p?id=1219062287250&skuId=1725543


I've never owned a plasma and I'm kinda unreasonably afraid of IR and burn in. Our budget is around $500 but I could probably bump that up to around $600. Any suggestions or better deals? I'd like to go bigger if possible.
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That says "sold out online"???
 
MrPressStart said:
I ordered the W900A, and it is being delievered Wednesday. I am leaving it in the box until I move back into the house (remodeling) sometime in January...

Cant wait to take that beast out and hook up some next gen goodness.

Also... give the 3D a try...
Anybody recommend a couple of good 3D blu rays? And not Avatar... I have seen that way too many times to be able to watch it again.
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I have the W900A and watched Pacific Rim 3D on it.

Glorious.
 
MrPressStart said:
I ordered the W900A, and it is being delievered Wednesday. I am leaving it in the box until I move back into the house (remodeling) sometime in January...

Cant wait to take that beast out and hook up some next gen goodness.

Also... give the 3D a try...
Anybody recommend a couple of good 3D blu rays? And not Avatar... I have seen that way too many times to be able to watch it again.
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Try any of the Pixar flicks and Pacific Rim. Heard good things.
 
anyone have any advice for using the s60 as a PC monitor? it looks like shit compared to my 2008 sammy 720p plasma which i used as a monitor for years. using the CNET recommended settings It looks great for gaming and for movies/TV, but just looks like shit for general internet browsing etc.
 
Just saw the VT60 in person at a local Best Buy in their Magnolia section and while the picture certainly impressed it was noticeable the least bright panel on the wall there. Granted it's in a semi-well lit area which isn't ideal but the Samsung 8 series really stood out in that showroom environment. They didn't have a W900A (I guess it's 60 inches and up in that section) but the W850 was there but lacking a video signal so I couldn't really compare it. Overall though I think I finally get why plasmas get the love that they do and I'm leaning towards making the VT60 plunge before day's end. Pretty excited!
 
New (to me) glowing review of the Samsung f8000 found here:

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/samsung-un60f8000-3d-lcd-hdtv

"Forget for a moment its elegant design, well-implemented Smart features, and unique remote control. The real triumph of this set is that it overcomes many of LCD’s past picture-quality hurdles: Samsung has finally delivered a minimal-compromise alternative to plasma."

And that is for a controlled light situation. Introduce ambient light and it pulls ahead of plasmas pretty quickly. Another advantage of the brightness is that 3d looks better as 3d glasses dim the picture so the set needs to be able to compensate for it.

Oh, input lag around 40ms after the firmware update about 2 months ago. Reports of even faster times with update available now but haven't seen any test numbers. It'll only decrease eventually since the processor is upgrade-able via the Evo kit.
 
LiK said:
you should've broken it in but doesn't seem like you have much of an issue. there will always be image retention on plasmas. but if you don't notice it during a movie or game, it's not a big deal.
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Depending on the quality of the set will determine just how prevalent IR will be. I have yet to see it pop up on my Kuro Elite, though those sets are just as godly as everyone makes them out to be.

I know Samsung plasmas are easily prone to IR, how are the Panasonics in this department?

Also, I am happy to see so many Gaffers choosing plasmas. Their IQ is unmatched. It's sad to see the technology getting discarded.
 
MrPressStart said:
I ordered the W900A, and it is being delievered Wednesday. I am leaving it in the box until I move back into the house (remodeling) sometime in January...

Cant wait to take that beast out and hook up some next gen goodness.

Also... give the 3D a try...
Anybody recommend a couple of good 3D blu rays? And not Avatar... I have seen that way too many times to be able to watch it again.
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Hopefully I will be picking mine up today.
 
DJ Lushious said:
Depending on the quality of the set will determine just how prevalent IR will be. I have yet to see it pop up on my Kuro Elite, though those sets are just as godly as everyone makes them out to be.

I know Samsung plasmas are easily prone to IR, how are the Panasonics in this department?

Also, I am happy to see so many Gaffers choosing plasmas. Their IQ is unmatched. It's sad to see the technology getting discarded.
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Panny plasma IRs are almost nonexistent after having some other moving images for a few minutes. Both mine and other people I know who own one have had great experiences. No complaints.

I would love to upgrade to a 60" Panny plasma but the price is still too much for me atm after I just spent a shitload on new consoles and games so I settled on the Vizio which has great reviews. I'm desperate for 1080p for the new gear. Maybe next year.
 
DJ Lushious said:
Depending on the quality of the set will determine just how prevalent IR will be. I have yet to see it pop up on my Kuro Elite, though those sets are just as godly as everyone makes them out to be.

I know Samsung plasmas are easily prone to IR, how are the Panasonics in this department?

Also, I am happy to see so many Gaffers choosing plasmas. Their IQ is unmatched. It's sad to see the technology getting discarded.
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Wait what? I never had any issues with my 8000 series plasma. I had had bunch of IR with the GT that I had previously. There was still some with the VT series as well, and I decided to make the switch to Sammy, and I haven't looked back...
 
ProjectGemini07 said:
FYI, Sammy 5300, a 1080p plasma, is on sale today at BB.

51" is $530
60" is $750

You will not find a better tv for the money.

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That review is for the f5500, not the f5300. (Or am I missing something?)

Seriously considering the 60" f5300 linked above... anyone have an opinion on this TV? DisplayLag.com says it has a 47 ms input lag... I mostly play FPS (never any fighting games) so would that be acceptable?

For reference, my current display is a 47" Vizio LCD I bought in 2007 and I've never been bothered by any lag that set might have.
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
Get the ST60. Its a big enough jump that unless your looking at the 60" model the price gap isn't wide enough to justify going with the S60
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I was looking at the 60" and couldn't make the numbers work, ie. my wife laying deep in the cut with a rifle...

So the S60 it is.
 
jett said:
I'm looking for an LED TV(not interested in plasmas for a variety or reasons). I don't notice input lag at all on my led monitor, will I have issues with an LED TV?
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I have the Sammy 54" LED smart TV. It has a game mode I turn on and games look and run fantastic on it. It really is a great TV for under a grand.
 
I see alot of people talking about the w900.

no love for the 850a? I am looking for atleast a 65". I really dont want a plasma.
 
We just upgraded our 5 year old Samsung 52" LCD to this:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PN60F5500-60-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B00BCPGZB0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386012005&sr=8-1&keywords=PN60F5500

Looking through the reviews online and on AVS, I couldn't find any major flaw with it and the picture quality is amazing compared to our old display. I have the slides from AVS running on it all night and today while I'm at work, but 100 hours seems like an awful long time to break in these sets. Anyone else with this model and anything I should watch out for? So far I've heard about the dimmer being over sensitive when watching anything that has a lot of white on the screen (mainly hockey games), but everyone seems to like the set.
 
BeEatNU said:
I see alot of people talking about the w900.

no love for the 850a? I am looking for atleast a 65". I really dont want a plasma.
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Sadly the display is not the same, which is by design from Sony. The W900A is the exact same display as their 4k line minus the 4k. Hear me out. While this seems to be a silly suggestion to make the fact of the matter is the amount of 4k content out there atm is exceedingly slim. If the 850A was a 900A display, no one in their right mind would pick up a 4k set. As it stands the 850A is using the display that is in the 802A, not the display in the 900A. Least that is the conclusion that I have made after spending a few hours with the displays and reading threads on AVS.

Now do not get me wrong, the 850A is still a quality set it just is not on the same level as the 900A.
 
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