Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen

The more I read about current LED LCD TVs, the more I become convinced that the technology is just inherently flawed; it seem like it is basically impossible to find an LCD TV that does not suffer from poor screen uniformity, clouding, DSE, backlight bleed or some combination of the above.

Even so, I ended up ordering the Panasonic TX-50AX802B today. Yes, I know 4k is basically pointless at this size, but I'm mainly interested in the picture quality, which was my main gripe with the Sony W828.

Tiktaalik said:
Whoa good recommendation. I hadn't spotted this one, and I'll have to read more about it. It looks like it's only 50-55 inches though and I kinda want something 60-64, so the vizios are still in consideration (also I don't want to spend a lot of money).
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I wouldn't recommend the W800b; it's just the US version of the W828, which I posted about above. My set had some clouding, quite noticeable DSE and the overall picure quality just wasn't that great to my eyes. YMMV of course.
 
http://www.displaylag.com/lg-samsung-sony-input-lag-results-4k/ shows that Samsung now is in the same league as Sony when it comes to low input lag. Good news.

55″ Samsung UN55HU7250 4K 120hz LED HDTV – 40ms *Great*

55″ Samsung UN55HU6950 4K 60hz LED HDTV – 48ms Okay

55″ Samsung UN55HU9000 4K 120hz 3D LED HDTV – 39ms *Great*

60″ Samsung UN60H7150 1080p 240hz 3D LED HDTV – 42ms Okay

65″ Samsung UN65HU7250 4K 120hz LED HDTV – 40ms *Great*

65″ Samsung UN65HU8550 4K 120hz 3D LED HDTV – 40ms *Great*

75″ Samsung UN75H6350 1080p 120hz LED HDTV – 41ms *Great*

75″ Samsung UN75H7150 1080p 240hz 3D LED HDTV – 39ms (PC) *Great*

78″ Samsung UN78HU9000 4K 120hz 3D LED HDTV – 38ms *Great*
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DJ Lushious said:
Reading reports like this really reinforce how amazing the Pioneer Kuros were. My Elite has endured plenty of marathon gaming sessions throughout its 5 year life, all with no image retention or burn-in.


AVSForum is the perfect place to sell used Plasmas.
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Give the nod to Sammy's 2013 3D plasma sets too. Nearly impervious to burn in and retention. Of course I recommended that here, becauae ya know gamers, but nooooooo. Everyone had Panasonic tunnel vision.
 
DJ Lushious said:
Reading reports like this really reinforce how amazing the Pioneer Kuros were. My Elite has endured plenty of marathon gaming sessions throughout its 5 year life, all with no image retention or burn-in.
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Do you play with the Orbiter on or off, though? I always play games with the Orbiter on (Kuro LX5090), as I don't want to take any chances, but is it safe to turn it off?
 
Tiktaalik said:
Whoa good recommendation. I hadn't spotted this one, and I'll have to read more about it. It looks like it's only 50-55 inches though and I kinda want something 60-64, so the vizios are still in consideration (also I don't want to spend a lot of money).
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Yeah for 60+ you have to go to the W850 or beyond. Still good sets but price tag goes up too.
 
I really wish LG would get moving on expanding their OLED lineup and get better efficiency. After the reviews praising the OLED TV I just can't justify spending money on a LCD panel. But 55in is too small for my space and the 65in at triple the price is too high.
 
hitgirl said:
That doesn't seem close to me.
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It's practically a tie between Samsung and Sony so I don't see how that's not close. Maybe you were looking at the LG results?

Jonm1010 said:
I really wish LG would get moving on expanding their OLED lineup and get better efficiency. After the reviews praising the OLED TV I just can't justify spending money on a LCD panel. But 55in is too small for my space and the 65in at triple the price is too high.
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Supposedly production is ramping up in December, so we may see some price reductions then. The $10k price on the 65" EC9700 seems to be placeholder right now, the set hasn't actually been released yet.
 
julrik said:
Do you play with the Orbiter on or off, though? I always play games with the Orbiter on (Kuro LX5090), as I don't want to take any chances, but is it safe to turn it off?
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I have the Orbiter set to "On" for every screen size mode, except "Dot-by-Dot." I mostly play my video games at "Automatic" screen size, with the Orbiter on, but I do switch from time to time. Blu-Rays always get the "Dot-by-Dot" treatment.

And if I known I've played a game for too long of a time, I'll just put the TV source to broadcast TV and walk away for a while.
 
Has anyone seen listings on any site of Black Friday deals for the Sony 65X850B? I'm still trying to decide between it and the Samsung 65HU8550, but I think the Samsung is already as low as it's going to be.
 
TV Gaf,

I'm trying to pick up a new tv and haven't bought one in about ten years. Any advice? I'm looking for something in the $600 - 900 range, and at the 55 - 60 inch size.

I spent about 3 hours walking around Best Buy today looking at stuff, but got fed up with the sales people harassing me to buy something but being unable to answer my questions or explain why they were directing me to TVs out of my price range.

Best Buy had a 60 inch Samsung Plasma on sale for about 700 but it didn't look great in the store.

I don't really care about a smart tv (unless there's a reason I should care, but as a gamer I have a bunch of consoles that perform the same function, am I missing something?). Don't want/need 3D either.

I ended up settling on an open box 60 inch Samsung smart tv (Samsung UNH606350 I think) because it was 929 discounted and I talked them down to 800, but when I got it home the screen was busted (checked it in store but didn't notice it, but the guy who helped me load it into my car was pretty rough with it). I thought that was a pretty good deal, and now I'm a bit dismayed about what to do. Any advice from people more in the know would be much appreciated.

Thanks
-Slathe
 
ok, haven't been able to keep up with this thread.

Currently, what is the best deal out there now, or black friday for a gaming TV? anything from 30-60 inches and under or around 1,000$?

Edit: 1080P, I don't care about any smart tv feature, just need to have low input lag and good black level, etc. good 3D is a big plus
 
bigben85 said:
ok, haven't been able to keep up with this thread.

Currently, what is the best deal out there now, or black friday for a gaming TV? anything from 30-60 inches and under or around 1,000$?

Edit: 1080P, I don't care about any smart tv feature, just need to have low input lag and good black level, etc. good 3D is a big plus
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You want a Sony. Find the biggest you can afford in the kdlw850 lineup. I have the KDL60W850b and it is awesome for both movies and gaming.
 
mitchman said:
Don't be fooled by the PR-lag numbers on monitors, no monitor has really less than 20ms or so in reality. 40ms is great, as the results say.
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Can you please explain this? What exactly is a PR-lag number? What do you mean "no monitor has really less than 20ms or so in reality"? There's plenty listed on displaylag.com.
 
Cross-posting this from the BF TV thread that died right after I posted in it:

What are the best 40-42" gaming models that are available in the US? I've found that Europe gets a lot of great 40" TVs, but companies don't bother here, since I guess they assume that the only people who want TVs that small are poor college students or something.
 
Jonm1010 said:
I really wish LG would get moving on expanding their OLED lineup and get better efficiency. After the reviews praising the OLED TV I just can't justify spending money on a LCD panel. But 55in is too small for my space and the 65in at triple the price is too high.
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65 inch will probably be $3-4k by next Christmas
 
Is the Vizio E700i-B3 pretty much the best choice at that size? (70"~$1,500)., or would it be best to drop down to 65" and look for so something with a better picture quality?

Worth mentioning that the input lag also seems to be quite low at only 30ms.
 
mitchman said:
Don't be fooled by the PR-lag numbers on monitors, no monitor has really less than 20ms or so in reality. 40ms is great, as the results say.
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What ? My 50" Sony has a 22ms input lag. Some 2013 Sonys were @ >16ms.

40+ isn't great, I don't care what that site says. Lol

Also, the fact that I've yet to see any TV manufacturer advertise the input lag on their TV's, makes your statement even more puzzling.
 
MattyG said:
So what's a good refresh rate for gaming? I've heard some people say 60hz is good, but some say 120hz. And LCD or LED?
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Is there even a TV out there that would do true 120hz because I think that would be amazing.

About the question, the higher the hz to me, the better as long as the content being output is higher than 60hz (consoles don't go higher as far as I know).
 
Sixfortyfive said:
Higher is better in general, but it won't make a big difference unless you play PC games on your TV.
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georaldc said:
Is there even a TV out there that would do true 120hz because I think that would be amazing.

About the question, the higher the hz to me, the better as long as the content being output is higher than 60hz (consoles don't go higher as far as I know).
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Oh yeah, I have a monitor for my PC, so the TV will be console only. A lot of the good BF deals are on 60hz TVs, so if I get one tomorrow it'll probably be 60. I don't even really want to bother trying to deal with the BF hordes, though.
 
I think a higher refresh rate allows for better motion interpolation methods, but you wouldn't want to use that when gaming anyway.
 
I bought one of the last PMCv1 from audiodane ( http://audiodane.dandk.org/pmcv1/ ) and I'm very happy. My panasonic plasma from 2008 never been this good. The IQ is really top notch without the rising blacks. It was the best 100€ I could ever spend. I'm glad that I could go with this set for a couple years and wait for a new breakthrough in TV technology.

If anyone got one of those plasmas with rising blacks, the creator of the PMCv1 will produce a new version and is asking for feedback. The device is very easy to use and the results are amazing.
 
hey homies. Just picked this up. Black Friday $800 discount.

Can't wait to hook this badboy up. 44 ms input lag, which is decent iirc

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Sixfortyfive said:
That isn't true, either.
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Fine, it's low for a modern UHD TV then.

The Beard said:
What ? My 50" Sony has a 22ms input lag. Some 2013 Sonys were @ >16ms.

40+ isn't great, I don't care what that site says. Lol

Also, the fact that I've yet to see any TV manufacturer advertise the input lag on their TV's, makes your statement even more puzzling.
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TV manufacturers don't advertise the input lags of their TVs because input lag is completely irrelevant to the vast majority of users. The only people who have any reason to care about it are gamers and people who use their TVs as monitors, and even among gamers, input lag really only matters if you play competitive multiplayer games (certain shooters, fighting games, etc.). The average gamer is never gonna notice an input lag of 40 ms.
 
Doing some TV shopping and as someone who has a lot of retro systems to hook up, I'm a bit shocked that most of the TVs I'm looking at have FEWER inputs than my 6-year old Panasonic.

My current TV has the following:

  • 2x HDMI
  • 1x dedicated component
  • 1x dedicated composite
  • 1x shared S-Video/composite
  • 1x VGA

I use all of these regularly and ideally I don't want to downgrade my number of input options.

Any suggestions for TV models for somebody like me who would like to keep as many classic systems hooked up as possible? (budget around $500, looking for something in the 47-50" range)

I know a switcher is always an option but it would be ideal if I could just switch them all with the same remote.
 
Anyone with a W900a have the HDMI Device link/Bravia Sync stop working recently? It also has started turning itself back on about 10 seconds after I turn it off.
 
qualitydisc said:
Doing some TV shopping and as someone who has a lot of retro systems to hook up, I'm a bit shocked that most of the TVs I'm looking at have FEWER inputs than my 6-year old Panasonic.
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Many TVs have plenty of ports, but they have really downscaled on the older port types. So you might see 4 HDMI but only 1 component. 2 USB instead of 2 SVideo, etc.

There really aren't a lot of options now; can't even remember a recent set with VGA. A switcher makes a lot of sense, but so does something like XRGB so you have a better handler of old school content.
 
Orcastar said:
Fine, it's low for a modern UHD TV then.



TV manufacturers don't advertise the input lags of their TVs because input lag is completely irrelevant to the vast majority of users. The only people who have any reason to care about it are gamers and people who use their TVs as monitors, and even among gamers, input lag really only matters if you play competitive multiplayer games (certain shooters, fighting games, etc.). The average gamer is never gonna notice an input lag of 40 ms.
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Yeah, I know why manufacturers don't advertise input lags. You took my comment out of context. The person I quoted said "Don't trust PR input lag numbers". Which makes no sense because there are no PR input lag numbers. The only input lag results I've seen are from independent review sites.

He also claimed that Samsung is now equal to Sony in terms of input lag. Which is also false. Sony makes TV's with input lags of less than half of most of the Samsung examples he posted.

You're right about the vast majority of people not being able to notice 40ms of input lag though. I'd say most people wouldn't notice/be affected by anything under 80ms.
 
WheelHoss1 said:
Comparing Sony to Samsung is like comparing Sony to Microsoft. Everyone is going to have their preference.

It is a great TV, btw. Enjoy the 3D! It's breathtaking.
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Yea I bought it partly because I anticipate plenty of movie watching as well as some gaming use. For a second TV I will definitely buy a core gaming screen.
 
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