Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen

killertofu said:
Hmm they also have a KDL48W600B for 448 (Missing power brick).

Decisions...
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I'd try to get that 48 "600B for super cheap and have them order the brick through the Best Buy parts store. No one is going to buy a powerless TV. 60" is too big for the 600 series.
 
hitgirl said:
I'd try to get that 48 "600B for super cheap and have them order the brick through the Best Buy parts store. No one is going to buy a powerless TV. 60" is too big for the 600 series.
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I looked at the 48 and I don't think I could go that low in size.

They only took 40 bucks off the 60. Pass.
 
Hawk269 said:
While they will, so far the majority of the announced 2015 models will NOT do 4k at 60fps at full 4:4:4 chroma level. Meaning that they don't have full speed HDMI 2.0 ports. Right now, the only way to get 4k, 60fps with full 4:4:4 chroma is using a Panasonic 4k TV since it has display port.

I don't understand how some companies are still using the same HDMI 2.0 ports as last year models for the 2015 line. I have read the spec sheets for all the 2015 Sony models and NONE of them can do 4k, 60fps at 4:4:4 chroma which is a shame and disappointment to many.
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If you're a console-only gamer this is a non-issue right? I'm finally in the market for a new TV now that my Panasonic plasma is a decade old, and since Plasmas are going the way of the dinosaur I'm potentially looking at a 55" or 65" LG model. I've never liked LED/LCD TVs but now that they don't use those backlight lamps (always noticed the 'bars' back when they did) it might not be so bad.

I'll miss my plasma though.

Come to think of it, I may just hold out and see if this 10-year old Panasonic can last for me until the damn black levels on LEDs reach parity with plasmas. I can't stand shitty black levels, because the image just doesn't look as good. I've yet to see an LED/LCD where I thought the image was as good as my plasma... unless someone can suggest one for under $2500 that I can check out??

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From what I'm seeing, if I can wait for the price to come down on this newer Panasonic model it might fit the bill....

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/tx55ax902b-201411073944.htm

The only thing that concerns me about this Panny model above is this:

Leo Bodnar input lag tester 87ms in [Game] mode
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I was under the thinking that anything above 30ms of input lag would be detrimental to gameplay in twitch games like shooters/platformers. Yikes.... yeah just finished reading and that 87ms lag would definitely be a hinderance. Guess I'm going to have to keep waiting unless I want to buy a Sony (aka overpriced IMO) model or something. I should note I'm not a "competitive" gamer though, as I mostly play single player games and platformers, and when I play shooters I rarely play multiplayer matchmaking competitively but more just for fun. So maybe that 87ms wouldn't be too much of a deal-breaker for me??


What say the TV tech gurus?? Need some good advice here so I can chart a course over the next few months or year toward a new TV.
 
not sure where else I should ask
but how's everyone's cable management for their TV + entertainment devices
mine is turning out to be quite a nightmare with all the HDMI, Ethernet Cables and etc :/
- and also trying to get the Surge Protectors and all too :/
- anyone using those movable power outlets (e.g. eubiq)?
 
Ug... the more I research the more I realize I should probably try to hold out for another 2-3 years. It seems both Panasonic and LG should be bringing OLED models out.... although there's no firm info on those as far as how they will be for gaming.
 
lifeexpectancy said:
If you're a console-only gamer this is a non-issue right? I'm finally in the market for a new TV now that my Panasonic plasma is a decade old, and since Plasmas are going the way of the dinosaur I'm potentially looking at a 55" or 65" LG model. I've never liked LED/LCD TVs but now that they don't use those backlight lamps (always noticed the 'bars' back when they did) it might not be so bad.

I'll miss my plasma though.

Come to think of it, I may just hold out and see if this 10-year old Panasonic can last for me until the damn black levels on LEDs reach parity with plasmas. I can't stand shitty black levels, because the image just doesn't look as good. I've yet to see an LED/LCD where I thought the image was as good as my plasma... unless someone can suggest one for under $2500 that I can check out??

Edit again:

From what I'm seeing, if I can wait for the price to come down on this newer Panasonic model it might fit the bill....

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/tx55ax902b-201411073944.htm

The only thing that concerns me about this Panny model above is this:



I was under the thinking that anything above 30ms of input lag would be detrimental to gameplay in twitch games like shooters/platformers. Yikes.... yeah just finished reading and that 87ms lag would definitely be a hinderance. Guess I'm going to have to keep waiting unless I want to buy a Sony (aka overpriced IMO) model or something. I should note I'm not a "competitive" gamer though, as I mostly play single player games and platformers, and when I play shooters I rarely play multiplayer matchmaking competitively but more just for fun. So maybe that 87ms wouldn't be too much of a deal-breaker for me??


What say the TV tech gurus?? Need some good advice here so I can chart a course over the next few months or year toward a new TV.
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Im not a guru but recently bought the Panny Ax802 (4K set but with 30 ms Leo Bodnar), fastest 4K set for gaming.

I have 2 TV;s in living room with 2 Ps4, and the Panny is next to a Sony W905 (10 ms input lag) and gotta say the Panny possibly pips it in blacks and colour richness.

Would never game on a high input lag set, being a few frames behind is not bad on some games but you can forget games like COD multiplayer or any other online competitive game.
 
geordiemp said:
Im not a guru but recently bought the Panny Ax802 (4K set but with 30 ms Leo Bodnar), fastest 4K set for gaming.

I have 2 TV;s in living room with 2 Ps4, and the Panny is next to a Sony W905 (10 ms input lag) and gotta say the Panny possibly pips it in blacks and colour richness.

Would never game on a high input lag set, being a few frames behind is not bad on some games but you can forget games like COD multiplayer or any other online competitive game.
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Thanks for the input man. Yeah I'm not big into online multiplayer in FPS games anymore except 'just for fun', and since dedicated servers doesn't REALLY mean dedicated servers (read: lag and rubber banding in most online FPS games I've played, even in ones like Titanfall with supposed dedis), so input lag might not be so bad.

I'm really looking strongly into LG's OLED tech, like this one here:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/55ec930v-201412163962.htm

If LG and/or Panasonic can bring out a solid OLED TV in the 55" range and under $2500-$3000 this year, I'll probably jump on board. The one linked above seems to have a lag of 30-40ms, and black levels that even trump Plasmas... but I hate jumping into new tech in the first few years of its consumer iteration b/c prices usually plummet and the tech being new means kinks invariably show up. OLED tech, while old in cell phones, is still relatively in its infancy in large-panel consumer TVs.... I'd hate to wind up with something that craps out on me in a few years after the warranty is up.

Looking at the stuff announced at CES, and since I'm not a fan at all of 'curved' displays, not to mention the current model not being 4k and thus not 'future proof' enough, the new 55" and 65" LG 4k Flat-screen OLED models (55EF9500 and 65EF9500) coming out this year might just be the ticket, but that 55" model will need to be under $3000 for me to bite.

Can anyone that jumped into an OLED TV already as an early adopter comment on OLEDs and their gaming application, any problems with static HUD issues or non-issues, etc?
 
Is there not the worry that OLED can loose blue is it over time or something stupid like that ?

I cant recall.

Really needs Sony / Pany to buy a LG display and put some decent electronics in there I have read more than once
 
lifeexpectancy said:
Can anyone that jumped into an OLED TV already as an early adopter comment on OLEDs and their gaming application, any problems with static HUD issues or non-issues, etc?
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I bought the LG 55EC9300 a few months ago. So far my gaming sessions haven't resulted in anything resembling IR or burn-in. That includes static HUDs like fighting games. A year ago I had a Panasonic VT60 plasma which had frequent IR issues, so I'm familiar with the problem. I won't say it's impossible though on the OLED though, I tend to play for only 1-2 hours at a time.

Blackvette94 wrote an in-depth impression on this TV here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131174132&postcount=8843

geordiemp said:
Is there not the worry that OLED can loose blue is it over time or something stupid like that ?

I cant recall.

Really needs Sony / Pany to buy a LG display and put some decent electronics in there I have read more than once
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I'm not entirely sure about the blue subpixel thing, so I can't comment. But I would like to see what Sony and Panasonic could do with these panels, as they have the best game modes in my experience.
 
Gaf, I need your searching powers. My Panny GT30 is messed up and the issue is the SC Board. I'm trying to find a replacement, but I just can't. The part number is TNPA5335BK and it looks like this:

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I really don't want to drop on a new tv right now, so just replacing this board would be so good at the moment.
 
lifeexpectancy said:
Thanks for the input man. Yeah I'm not big into online multiplayer in FPS games anymore except 'just for fun', and since dedicated servers doesn't REALLY mean dedicated servers (read: lag and rubber banding in most online FPS games I've played, even in ones like Titanfall with supposed dedis), so input lag might not be so bad.
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Input lag issues are not limited to competitive MP, don't know where that idea originates. For starters modern MP design (on consoles) is not really reaction based, it's primarily about positioning and aiming. The ping gap in your average P2P match is already larger than even the worst TV ever on market.

High Input lag is primarily about making games feel unresponsive and sluggish, not winning/losing reaction based fire fights. For example, imagine taking a generally responsive 60fps game like Street Fighter IV or Bayonetta/DMC4 and having it feel/control like GTA4/5 or Killzone 2 (the poster children for ridiculously high input lag and unresponsive controlls). If you have a display adding up to 100ms or more, every game is going to feel like that and the already unresponsive games are going to be largely unplayable. This is why people seek the lowest lag display possible, it's not limited to trying to gain or minimize some advantage in MP.
 
wilflare said:
not sure where else I should ask
but how's everyone's cable management for their TV + entertainment devices
mine is turning out to be quite a nightmare with all the HDMI, Ethernet Cables and etc :/
- and also trying to get the Surge Protectors and all too :/
- anyone using those movable power outlets (e.g. eubiq)?
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It's a nightmare and I swear there might be a family of raccoon that live back there.

Seriously, though, I have tried to clean it up and I just don't think it's possible. I have too many devices and all of them are hard-wired.
 
GAF I'm moving houses in a week and decided it's time to upgrade the TV.

I eventually decided to go for LG 55 inch LB730V .. Does anyone have experience with this series? It looked incredible when I saw it in the store and compared image quality to the other sets.
 
EasyMode said:
I bought the LG 55EC9300 a few months ago. So far my gaming sessions haven't resulted in anything resembling IR or burn-in. That includes static HUDs like fighting games. A year ago I had a Panasonic VT60 plasma which had frequent IR issues, so I'm familiar with the problem. I won't say it's impossible though on the OLED though, I tend to play for only 1-2 hours at a time.

Blackvette94 wrote an in-depth impression on this TV here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131174132&postcount=8843



I'm not entirely sure about the blue subpixel thing, so I can't comment. But I would like to see what Sony and Panasonic could do with these panels, as they have the best game modes in my experience.
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Thank you man, awesome info.

Reallink said:
Input lag issues are not limited to competitive MP, don't know where that idea originates. For starters modern MP design (on consoles) is not really reaction based, it's primarily about positioning and aiming. The ping gap in your average P2P match is already larger than even the worst TV ever on market.

High Input lag is primarily about making games feel unresponsive and sluggish, not winning/losing reaction based fire fights. For example, imagine taking a generally responsive 60fps game like Street Fighter IV or Bayonetta/DMC4 and having it feel/control like GTA4/5 or Killzone 2 (the poster children for ridiculously high input lag and unresponsive controlls). If you have a display adding up to 100ms or more, every game is going to feel like that and the already unresponsive games are going to be largely unplayable. This is why people seek the lowest lag display possible, it's not limited to trying to gain or minimize some advantage in MP.
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Fair enough. I'd sure hate to play Rayman with sluggish controls lol.
 
EphemeralDream said:
I'm in the market for a cheap TV and considering a plasma which I've never had before. I see someone is selling this 720p 2010 Panny plasma on craigslist for 200 bucks.

Is this a good deal? I'd mainly use it for Netflix but games here and there too.

Panasonic-TC-P42C2
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003924U7A/?tag=neogaf0e-20
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I love my Panasonic plasma, but plasmas are no longer being made and some people have had issues with image retention on plasmas. I never have on my panny 50" plasma and it's almost 10 years old, but keep that in mind. If you're mostly doing netflix with only a little gaming, plasma probably isn't a big deal, but with it only being 720p the price should probably be much lower.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KVLEM7K/?tag=neogaf0e-20

That's a 42" LG LED 1080p TV for less than $300 brand new. It may not be a great one for gaming (I didn't check its input lag and such), but it sounds like for 'mostly a netflix device' in your case, it'd probably be fine... or something similar to it.

So yeah, $200 for that TV, especially with it being only 720p, is probably not worth it.

Quoting that set comparison post for this page. It's gold. Should be in the OP.

Blackvette94 said:
-A gamer's point of view on his Oled LG 55ec9300-

Gaming:
I have been playing games on this non-stop as this is my gaming monitor. No image retention or burnin, checking with the 5 and 10% grey screens. Nothing has happened yet. All full screen gaming though, not sure if letterbox or 4:3 content could cause uneven wear, I would use caution with that type of content in the first couple hundred hours. The only issue with gaming on this display is that you can see in some instances the vertical banding, you would think you could see it in roads which are composed of grey's in driving games with the back and forth but you cant, only sometimes in the sky if your looking for it.

I tried my torture test for displays, Forza 5.. it is very bright and every display except the samsung pc monitor fails at this game, they all show DSE ( plasma's) or vertical banding (led's). This display is much better then led's when it comes to banding, but it is still there and can be noticable. FPS games actually faired better because you look all over and there is not horizontal banding so averal much better then led's in this respect.

I have tried fighting games, FPS shooters, racing games etc on here and this display handles them like a champ! This dispolay can do true 0 black and its amazing how much this and the perceived contrast changes the way all games look, it has this liquid look to them now, its hard to describe but it is incredible, it really is. Most gaming was with 1080 games on next gen PS4 and Xbox One and I have tried PS3 with games like Tekken 5 DR and Burnout Paradise.

I have not seen an y image retention and would HIGHLY recommend this screen for gamers!! nothing compares.


Longevity:
I have been running the Oled tv non stop since last saturday, 24 hrs a day, full screen slides. No smell from the tv, no buzz, not even hot to the touch and no fan noise. I have checked the timing counter and have done this for 181 hrs. No dead or stuck pixels. From what I have deduced this panel can stand up to the rigors of running it hardcore with no issues. I had the oled light at 50 mots of the time and contrast at 80 in Pc mode and game picture mode. I don't recommend breaking it in with vivid or store mode.

So far everything has been bliss on the tv. The only issue I have and its an an issue I have encountered on alot of displays and that is vertical banding. This tv does indeed have some vertical banding, it is NOT noticable in all content, mostly in blue sky content panning left to right or right to left and it is more noticable is medium to slow speed panning. Fast panning in FPS shooters and racing games it is harder to notice which is completely different to led's and plasma when it comes to noticing banding.

I have checked the Oled for horizontal banding- None. Very shocked about that, I have not come across a display that didn't in one way or another have that, the Kuro's had it via the filter they applied, sometimes looking like DSE, all led's I have used barring 23 inch pc monitors have it too, so this is a huge plus to the oled.

Motion clarity:
Plasma's have phosphor lag, the 1080p Kuro's had it worse when content was high contrast, phosphor streaking in gaming was most noticable, not much of an issue with tv and movies though. Led's have blur that comes after the color being displayed, alot of higher end led's use S-PVA, MVA etc panels, these blur moreso with darker colors. The oled does not have this pixel persistance like the led's.

What I am trying to say about oled motion for gaming is that overall I prefer it to plasma with its phosphor lag and the led's with their color streaking. The oled removes the previous picture much faster then plasma or led so for gaming I would prefer an oled for motion. The 300 lines that is being quoted to do is indeed accurate per that test but you have to play games on it and go back and forth with plasma and trust me their is a difference and I prefer oled.

Input lag:
I am on firmware 4.30.08, with hdmi input labeled PC and putting it in game mode ( you also want to go into the genreal settings and turn off auto update for firmware, and anything else you can turn off ) and I get 26.1ms for the top bar, middle bar is 29.2 and bottom bar is 31.3 with my Leo Bodnar input lag tester. What is interesting is that the oled screen displays the full screen image faster then any led I have tested, all of the leds I have tested with this tester take about 7ms per bar, so a total of 14ms to update the entire screen whereas the oled does it in 4ms.

The only display I have that feels snappier in gaming response to this oled for input was the Samsung S24D590pl, which had 2ms top, 8.9ms middle and 17.2ms bottom. This is also the only display I have seen with no vertical banding. Sadly the contrast was only about 1100:1 and the blacks completely went to glowing with maybe 50 degree off angle. Also it was very small.

Compared to other displays:
Below is a list of displays I have/had :

Pioneer Elite Kuro Pro101 ISF calibrated by D-Nice
Pioneer Elite Kuro Pro110
Pioneer Elite Kuro Pro111
Pioneer Elite Kuro Pro1150
Samsung 65H8000 ISF calibrated by D-Nice (Led)
Samsung 32D5000 ISF calibrated by D-Nice (Led)
Samsung 55F7100 ISF calibrated by D-Nice (Led)
Sony 52XBR909 (FALD)
Sony 34XBR800 (CRT)
Sony 30XBR910 (CRT)
Sony 24FW900 (CRT)
Samsung S24D590 (LED pc monitor)
Samsung S23A750D (LED pc monitor)
LG Oled 55ec9300
LG Oled 15el9000


I have the LG oled 9300 next to my Pioneer Kuro Elite... some interesting observations so far. The Pioneer is incapable of even coming remotely close to the Oled for contrast and blacks. Even though the ABL is on the Oled, the full screen white can still be super bright compared to the Elite plasma.

The blacks.... watching the oled in a pitch black room has to be done... it is like nothing I have experienced before in a display. I could never in the past watch a plasma or led/lcd in the dark because of the glowing blacks. No longer need to play with the lights on :0

The oled is also alot clearer, same resolution 1080p but the oled is 5 inches bigger and has no PWM noise, no DSE unlike the Kuro. The oled seems to have not much between you and the actual picture and it comes off looking very pure in display.

All of my Kuro's had some type of DSE, just the nature of the filter on the panel and playing bright games, normal tv content and movies rarely showed it. There was no DSE on the Oled, only some vertical banding on some content and 5 and 10% grey screens.

Games seem to really show a displays downfalls versuse tv/movie content. Kinda like test screens. So this review is more geared towards how the display handles games. For tv/movies I do not see the vertical banding nearly as much.

Final take:
This Oled for gaming is better then all of the displays I have mentioned above, there is just no comparison. If they can get the vertical banding gone on the grey patterns that show in some content and offer flat versions of the tv then their really won't be anything left to nitpick!
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lifeexpectancy said:
I love my Panasonic plasma, but plasmas are no longer being made and some people have had issues with image retention on plasmas. I never have on my panny 50" plasma and it's almost 10 years old, but keep that in mind. If you're mostly doing netflix with only a little gaming, plasma probably isn't a big deal, but with it only being 720p the price should probably be much lower.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KVLEM7K/?tag=neogaf0e-20

That's a 42" LG LED 1080p TV for less than $300 brand new. It may not be a great one for gaming (I didn't check its input lag and such), but it sounds like for 'mostly a netflix device' in your case, it'd probably be fine... or something similar to it.

So yeah, $200 for that TV, especially with it being only 720p, is probably not worth it.

Quoting that set comparison post for this page. It's gold. Should be in the OP.
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Thanks for the recommendation, supposedly has 27ms input lag which isn't too bad. I'd have to avert my eyes from looking at the stand though which hopefully looks better in person.

I'll definitely consider it though and it actually comes in 39" which would be a perfect size.
 
Duckhuntdog said:
So for someone in the market for a new HDTV, which new set has the lowest input lag available? I usually go with Samsung because of gamemode.
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I think the top-line Sony ones have the lowest input lag. I'm no expert though, but I seem to recall numbers down around 17ms.

But.... Sony hasn't really gone full throttle into OLED yet (looks like Sony and Panny are both gonna start pushing OLED this year from what I read). So when the Sony OLED TVs start coming out in force they are going to be EXPENSIVE. Sony's sets are always pricier than the rest... /sigh

That LG OLED from 2014 (which will have a 2015 model) only had 30ms of input lag on the 55" model, which as I have learned is a very respectable number, and when you combine that with the crazy-ass black levels on OLED TVs, that'd be where I put my money.

I don't know what Samsung's OLED TVs do as far as input lag. I'm looking toward a 2015 or 2016 LG OLED personally. Seems to be the best all-around for gaming and TV/movie purposes, unless the Panny models that are supposed to be coming out are comparable/better and similar or better price-wise.

If your budget isn't up around $3,000 though, you'll probably have to stick with LCD for now, as the OLEDs are all at the higher end of the price wars. There are some pretty competitvely priced Sony LCD models.
 
Fucking VIZIO...

Bought the M502-B1 that's on sale at Best Buy for $500. Was so excited to finally replace my 7+ year old Samsung 26 incher. Got it home, unboxed it, and set it up. Watched a bit of Netflix using the built-in app (just as good as the PS4 one!) and then moved a bit closer to do some gaming. Loaded Shadow of Mordor on the PS4, and BAM a big blotch of dead pixels and one stuck pixel dead center. Guess I know what I'm taking back tomorrow.

Now I need to decide if I take a chance on another set or not. If I don't, I don't think I'll be able to afford anything better any time soon. That means another 10 months or so of 26 inch gaming "meh"ness.
 
sqwarlock said:
Fucking VIZIO...

Bought the M502-B1 that's on sale at Best Buy for $500. Was so excited to finally replace my 7+ year old Samsung 26 incher. Got it home, unboxed it, and set it up. Watched a bit of Netflix using the built-in app (just as good as the PS4 one!) and then moved a bit closer to do some gaming. Loaded Shadow of Mordor on the PS4, and BAM a big blotch of dead pixels and one stuck pixel dead center. Guess I know what I'm taking back tomorrow.

Now I need to decide if I take a chance on another set or not. If I don't, I don't think I'll be able to afford anything better any time soon. That means another 10 months or so of 26 inch gaming "meh"ness.
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Look a couple posts up. There are great LG sets in the 42" range for under $300. If your budget is $500, you can get an LG 50" set most likely. LG and Samsung are the go-to for reasonably priced LCD sets atm. Sony and Panny are pricier, and Vizio (in my experience testing them) is shit.

The SMART ones are the more expensive. If you can find a solid 50" LG LCD that's a 'dumb' TV (aka no built-in netflix) you should be fine price-wise. I don't get the draw of having SMART TVs personally. If I could get a 'dumb' OLED model for $500-1000 cheaper than its 'smart' cousin, I'd jump all over it. Who needs the TV to surf the web and use netflix when we have consoles or chromecast for that, lol.
 
lifeexpectancy said:
Look a couple posts up. There are great LG sets in the 42" range for under $300. If your budget is $500, you can get an LG 50" set most likely. LG and Samsung are the go-to for reasonably priced LCD sets atm. Sony and Panny are pricier, and Vizio (in my experience testing them) is shit.

The SMART ones are the more expensive. If you can find a solid 50" LG LCD that's a 'dumb' TV (aka no built-in netflix) you should be fine price-wise. I don't get the draw of having SMART TVs personally. If I could get a 'dumb' OLED model for $500-1000 cheaper than its 'smart' cousin, I'd jump all over it. Who needs the TV to surf the web and use netflix when we have consoles or chromecast for that, lol.
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The only problem I have with LG TVs is the stand they have. I can't replace my current TV stand (limited space in my apartment bedroom) and it's too small to accommodate a decently sized LG TV. I may just save up for a Samsung, or wait for a big sale. :/
 
killertofu said:
When do you guys think OLED is gonna realistically drop to sub 1,500$ range? I can't stop thinking about that LG...
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I'm expecting entry prices to stay around $3500-4000 this year given the move to 4K across the entire lineup.

LG is expecting to sell double the units (1.2M) in 2016 so $1500-2000 price next year? Probably will go below $1500 in 2017.
 
x3sphere said:
I'm expecting entry prices to stay around $3500-4000 this year given the move to 4K across the entire lineup.

LG is expecting to sell double the units (1.2M) in 2016 so $1500-2000 price next year? Probably will go below $1500 in 2017.
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Buddy of mine has been expecting OLEDs, especially the 4k ones, to stay higher a little longer though and his reasoning seems to make sense.

"The thing driving the price down on LED/LCD sets now is the fact that over the past few years OLED has been on the horizon and everyone's been expecting it to kill LCD sets off, so the big guys have been pricing LCDs to move (that and production ramp-up has brought down prices a bit too). Also, some of the 4k LCDs are still on the higher end price-wise."
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That said, I don't expect 50" and above 4k OLEDs to get down to $1500 by 2016. Maybe 2017, but more likely 2018. I'm budgeting $2500 as my price target for a 55" OLED and hoping it gets there by January 2016 during a sale, or fall 2016 during the next sale.
 
Right now I have a 2014 Vizio E-series with the local dimming which makes games look awesome. The blacks are the best of any LCD/LED that I've ever owned. However, the motion processing isn't great it seems as it's starting to bother me when playing games. It's a 60hz panel too. The colors can have slight trails and words can disappear entirely to blurry nonsense if I move the camera even slowly. The clear action thing doesn't work either (makes the backlight strobe a bit to "enhance" motion).

So I want a great tv for gaming (I don't really play multiplayer so a tiny bit of lag isn't unacceptable I guess) and I need great blacks. I REALLY want an OLED but my wife would kill me (going for 2999 for the big game on Amazon). I've always been leaning plasma but never pulled the trigger because of my fear of IR. Otherwise, I think the motion/blacks would be what I'm looking for correct?

I could wait a year or two for OLED prices to drop a bit if plasma was a big step up for gaming in the meantime. I definitely cannot go backwards after owning the Vizio with local dimming because those blacks are crazy good for an LED. I'm a tv addict so I have Sharp, Sony and Samsung LCDs in the house as well and while all are great or were great in their time, the blacks can't compete.

Should I try out a plasma? I will only be gaming on it and I want great picture (and picture processing), great vibrant colors, great blacks and great motion. An OLED is basically all of those things, but a close second/alternative?
 
x3sphere said:
I'm expecting entry prices to stay around $3500-4000 this year given the move to 4K across the entire lineup.

LG is expecting to sell double the units (1.2M) in 2016 so $1500-2000 price next year? Probably will go below $1500 in 2017.
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The current 55" 1080p OLED will still be sold throughout the year. I hope it gets down in the $2000 range.
 
Hiko said:
The current 55" 1080p OLED will still be sold throughout the year. I hope it gets down in the $2000 range.
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Yea, I think that might be my TV for this year. Although that curve.. can't imagine playing a 2D platformer on a curved screen. I can see the actual costs of OLED and going off they they are not going to go into that range. They are selling well and I don't forsee a firesale on them. Given how lame most 2015 models are. I'll use that OLED until the 4Ks can do 60fps at 4:4:4 chroma and there's a single graphics card which can drive it.

I really want to see a video game on the OLED. Maybe one day I'll bring my console into work and try it out.
 
shpankey said:
Gaming on my Samsung 64F8500 Plasma has been brilliant! No issues here (ghosting, image retention, input lag, etc).
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Excellent television! I've encouraged a few friends/acquaintances to pick them up based on their needs and they've been nothing short of elated. As a bonus, they're super easy to get a good DIY calibration out of them.
 
geordiemp said:
Im not a guru but recently bought the Panny Ax802 (4K set but with 30 ms Leo Bodnar), fastest 4K set for gaming.

I have 2 TV;s in living room with 2 Ps4, and the Panny is next to a Sony W905 (10 ms input lag) and gotta say the Panny possibly pips it in blacks and colour richness.

Would never game on a high input lag set, being a few frames behind is not bad on some games but you can forget games like COD multiplayer or any other online competitive game.
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I have the same set, U.S. version. Anyone that is a gamer, if you buy a set you really need to look at the input lag numbers. Sony and Panasonic 4k's have pretty good input lag, but many other manufactures the Input Lag can be +80 depending on brand. The AX800 4k Panasonic is a fantastic set that I use for my PS4, Xbox One, Xbox 360 and my gaming rig and it is amazing.

Panasonic announced a newer version for 2015, full specs are not available, but it is suppose to be FALD which will improve color and black levels even more above the AX800, but the worry will be input lag. The new CX model uses a lot of the tech found in the reference AX900, but the AX900 also has +80 input lag. I hope that they following the AX800 lead and it comes in under +40 input lag.
 
shpankey said:
Gaming on my Samsung 64F8500 Plasma has been brilliant! No issues here (ghosting, image retention, input lag, etc).
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Interesting about the input lag. I canceled an order on a 51F8500 because the input rating was pretty high and read multiple impressions of it being bad for gaming.
 
Hiko said:
The current 55" 1080p OLED will still be sold throughout the year. I hope it gets down in the $2000 range.
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I got my 55 1080p LG OLED for $2000 at micro center. Deal of the decade AMAZING TV. For those that expect OLED AND 4K to be below 2k any time soon, keep dreaming. That's the only problem with them. They are generally too expensive. That's why I'll always be a fan of micro center.
 
Damn the P series 2015 Vizios can do 4k at 120fps with their hypermode or whatever they are calling it. That's really damn cool, we are far away from a single card doing 120fps on 4K. But damn if they put that into 1080p TVs I'd buy that way before a 4k TV, even if it is a mediocre Vizio.

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Zach said:
So how about this Sony 50" LED TV? Good gaming TV? Good for the price? Or is there some place to find a great plasma on the cheap since they're dying out?
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I've only been using mine for about a week or two, but so far it's great. Basically the (fairly well reviewed) KDL50W800B, minus the 3D. There are a few comments a page or two back that are pretty positive on it, too.
 
delt31 said:
I got my 55 1080p LG OLED for $2000 at micro center. Deal of the decade AMAZING TV.
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Is this a weekly sale price? Do they offer any extended warranties? If I replace my Kuro Elite with an OLED (it's bound to happen sometime), I want to get an extended warranty just in case I experience burn-in on it.
 
delt31 said:
I got my 55 1080p LG OLED for $2000 at micro center. Deal of the decade AMAZING TV. For those that expect OLED AND 4K to be below 2k any time soon, keep dreaming. That's the only problem with them. They are generally too expensive. That's why I'll always be a fan of micro center.
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Great price. Sometimes MC makes up for not having a Fry's around me.

What's the model number? I'd be interested in a few more months.. like May.
 
delt31 said:
I got my 55 1080p LG OLED for $2000 at micro center. Deal of the decade AMAZING TV. For those that expect OLED AND 4K to be below 2k any time soon, keep dreaming. That's the only problem with them. They are generally too expensive. That's why I'll always be a fan of micro center.
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Oh so 1080p OLED is a thing? Good, I thought everyone was going the 4k route alone with it.
 
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