This continues to be my concern. I have two top-end 50" Panasonic plasmas that are getting on in their years. Hoping they hold up until an obvious upgrade comes along.
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This continues to be my concern. I have two top-end 50" Panasonic plasmas that are getting on in their years. Hoping they hold up until an obvious upgrade comes along.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Thats quite a testament to LCD for finally hitting that bar. I've been holding out as long as I can from jumping on my next set (luckily the budget doesnt support my wants at the moment!) I'm hoping by early next year a 4k set will be out that checks all the boxes.
I bought the 55 inch M series. Slightly more thorough impressions are posted a few pages back, but in summary, I'm incredibly surprised by how good this TV looks and how great it is for gaming. This is coming from someone whose previous TV was a Panny plasma (had to leave it behind after a move). It not only has great contrast, it also upscales content wonderfully, has minimal input lag, and the strobing backlight feature gives it fantastic motion clarity.
I had my concerns that 4k would not be of any benefit for 1080p or below, but while it's true there's no additional detail in those sources, I find the extra pixels make the screen far more pleasing to look at, not unlike the jump you got from looking at a retina display when Apple first made the switch. It makes for a cleaner looking surface, even at a distance.
A bit after that time we should be getting a single card 4k 60fps with some settings turned down. So seems like a logical time to buy a 4K TV if you have a HTPC.
How come? 2.0a is just the addition of HDR, which gaming won't use anyway, and HDCP 2.2 won't matter either.
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
I'm just waiting for someone to come along with a 4K HDR OLED TV so I never have to buy another tv ever again. VIZIO Reference set may come close to tempting me if yanno... it ever comes out.
Silveredge9
Neo Member
So I'm looking at some point in the coming month or so to invest in a new 32" TV solely for gaming. Is there some kind of consensus on a go-to TV at the mo?
You'll have to buy another one after the OLEDs dim or you get burn in. I saw one of the LG OLEDs and though the PQ has its highs, the thing had terrible burn in and it scared me away from wanting to own one for games for some time to come.
I bought a LED TV last week (PHILIPS 42PFH6309).
It feels very underwhelming for my gaming purposes..
I mostly play my old games on retroarch/dolphin through an HDMI cable.
The colors either way too saturated or way too faded, can't find a good middle ground.
On the Lagom LCD tests (are they working for LED and TV too?) I have to sacrifice either the blacks or whites tones.
On retroarch the scan lines are completely messed up (it looks like the image's height have been altered?).
And the worst issue is with Taiko no Tatsujin (or any fast passed game) the display is literally torn in half by all the tearing (even with v-sync on), and the ghosting is nausea inducing.. In comparison my BenQ monitor is crystal clear..
Can any 40" TV sub $500 satify my needs or should I stay with gaming monitors?
It feels very underwhelming for my gaming purposes..
I mostly play my old games on retroarch/dolphin through an HDMI cable.
The colors either way too saturated or way too faded, can't find a good middle ground.
On the Lagom LCD tests (are they working for LED and TV too?) I have to sacrifice either the blacks or whites tones.
On retroarch the scan lines are completely messed up (it looks like the image's height have been altered?).
And the worst issue is with Taiko no Tatsujin (or any fast passed game) the display is literally torn in half by all the tearing (even with v-sync on), and the ghosting is nausea inducing.. In comparison my BenQ monitor is crystal clear..
Can any 40" TV sub $500 satify my needs or should I stay with gaming monitors?
They work on all kind of monitors/TVs. It's a monitor calibrator, as for use with PC and consoles, so it works great for gaming purposes. Not recommended to use it as a calibration tool for watching movies/TV, though.
Don't know anything about that particular TV, unfortunately, so can't really say if it's good or bad.
Pagusas
Elden Member
If you are playing via an HDMI out check a few things:
1. if you are using an nvidia card for your output, its likely sending the an incorrect limited range signal where you want full range 0-255, as your emulators will be outputting at that. There is a simple program a gafer made to fix this. (this will make colors look underwhelming and everything to be washed out, no punch to the picture as everything is 16 shades wrong)
2. Check to make sure things are not scaled on the tv, everything should be displayed at 1:1.
3. Make sure you are getting a full 4:4:4 signal, on some TV's only a single HDMI port (usually one labeled PC, or HDMI 2 on Samsungs) accepts 4:4:4 @ 1080p/60, all the other ports will convert it to 4:2:2, discarding half your color information. (this will make it look like colors are bleeding/ghosting, subtle, but specifically ugly around text)
I have to disagree. That's pure negligence on the owners part, coming from a Panasonic Plasma to the LG OLED. I find there to be way less image retention, let alone burn in.
My OLED is mainly used as my pc monitor for gaming, the blacks and the colours are fantastic. I love it as a display overall, its simply beautiful.
I do plenty of gaming on my OLED - two months in now - and have no burn-in or IR for that matter. Definitely an unknown as this tech is still relatively new but I'm not too worried about it. There are people who've had the older 2013 OLED for over a year with no issues.
Just bought this Sony-KDL42W705B on Amazon. Is this any good for gaming? Apparently it has very low input lag?
What boxes isn't it ticking for UHD BD? The JS9500 is on my short list when I plan on buying around September. Most 2015 models should be out by then for a better comparison.
Some much needed content news...
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/fox-be-first-studio-create-796952
I have $800, looking to buy a 50-inch TV. Any opinions? I'm currently looking at these two:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-m...lack/3733031.p?id=1219597974184&skuId=3733031
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sharp-a...lack/4255103.p?id=1219625982468&skuId=4255103
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-m...lack/3733031.p?id=1219597974184&skuId=3733031
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sharp-a...lack/4255103.p?id=1219625982468&skuId=4255103
Unknown Soldier
Member
You're going to wait every year for the rest of your life with that attitude. If you need a TV, buy a damn TV. There's always going to be another one coming next year.
Is that really necessary? I right clicked at my desktop -> Intel settings -> display, and changed to full RGB there..? Doesn't that fix it?
The hard but correct choice.
I'd get a really nice 1080p and ride it out for 2-3 years. Most of the flagship 1080s are ridiculously cheap right now.
Jigolo
Member
Yup this us my reason. Many things important to TV just recently got finalized. You did good skipping out this year
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
So I'm buying a new TV for pretty much solely to play PS4 games on. Atm, I've been gaming on a 15 inch 1080p screen so an upgrade is needed!
-My budget is around the £300-400 range.
-Size 42-47 inch
I've narrowed it down to these 3:
Sony W7
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-KDL42W705B-42-inch-Widescreen-Freeview/dp/B00HZAVA70/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1432749754&sr=8-1&keywords=sony+w7
Panasonic TX
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-TX-42A400B-Widescreen-discontinued-manufacturer/dp/B00IOQ5XC2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1432749844&sr=8-1&keywords=42+inch+tv
LG
http://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-42LB550V-Widescreen-discontinued-manufacturer/dp/B00J32Q1K4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1432749844&sr=8-2&keywords=42+inch+tv
LG or Panasonic would be ideal due to the price, but if it lacks features to bring out the most of my games (not concerned about smart tv features or anything else for the matter) then I would go for something better.
Picture quality is key.
Thoughts welcomed! Thanks.
-My budget is around the £300-400 range.
-Size 42-47 inch
I've narrowed it down to these 3:
Sony W7
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-KDL42W705B-42-inch-Widescreen-Freeview/dp/B00HZAVA70/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1432749754&sr=8-1&keywords=sony+w7
Panasonic TX
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-TX-42A400B-Widescreen-discontinued-manufacturer/dp/B00IOQ5XC2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1432749844&sr=8-1&keywords=42+inch+tv
LG
http://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-42LB550V-Widescreen-discontinued-manufacturer/dp/B00J32Q1K4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1432749844&sr=8-2&keywords=42+inch+tv
LG or Panasonic would be ideal due to the price, but if it lacks features to bring out the most of my games (not concerned about smart tv features or anything else for the matter) then I would go for something better.
Picture quality is key.
Thoughts welcomed! Thanks.
Crazymoogle
Member
I've had nothing but good things to say about my Sony. Not exactly that one (mine is the 55" 790B, but exact same look and probably same tech save for 3D) But lots of HDMI ports and you can easily set game mode (or other custom picture settings) on a per port basis. It's super easy. Latency is very low as well.
Can anyone tell me the cons of getting a projector? It seems their pretty affordable now and in 1080P, so why doesn't it seem like more people are using them for 100"+ screens?
I'm building a new house and was thinking in my basement I'd have a 60"+ tv for gaming and then have a projector screen from the ceiling for movie watching and maybe some gaming as well.
Anyone have experience with a projector setup? Do they look good for movies and possibly games?
I'm building a new house and was thinking in my basement I'd have a 60"+ tv for gaming and then have a projector screen from the ceiling for movie watching and maybe some gaming as well.
Anyone have experience with a projector setup? Do they look good for movies and possibly games?
diffusionx
Gold Member
Honestly, I've been keeping up with this stuff for a while and every year feels like a transition year.
Some years even go backwards, Sony's flagship 1080p sets, I bought the W905 (W900) in the states, was holding on to the box ready to send back for the upcoming W955, and it was an awful set in comparison, the bloody mid-tier set beat it hands down, but I think as a definite standards transition year, it's wize to wait until next year, I defintely am.
That's what I did... got the LG 1080p OLED for $2k. I'm hoping in 2-3 years when 4K should be plentiful I can buy a 65" 4K OLED for the same price.
Hey now, I have a W950B. Be nice. Upgraded from same year W700B. I like it way better, had both ISF calibrated and ran them next to each other to compare before I sold the W700B off.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Not necessary if you don't have an nvidia card running your display, as I said.
By next year a good amount of 4k movies will be out and prices would have dropped significantly. I don't understand how that attitude can apply to every year when content will actually be plentiful by next year.
Not really, unless you're a rich nut who's buying like a $5,000 flagship television. Then maybe an extra $250 to make the picture the best possible is worth it. Sony out of the box Cinema mode is pretty darn close. Most of their modes are spot on; Game, Sports, etc. I get my calibration done at cost, so it's only a few dollars, so I figure why not.
psychotron
Member
Ok everyone, my Panny ST50 Plasma was killed in a storm tonight. I need help on a new tv. It needs to be 60-65 inches with low latency. I've been looking at the Vizio P-Series due to the deep blacks.
DJ Lushious
Member
The JS9500 hits 92% of the DCI color space and about 75% of the Rec.2020. UHD Blu-Ray HDR has a base layer, which should cover the DCI color space, and then a second metadata layer that is going to be platform specific (Dolby Vision, for example, which will likely be closer to Rec.2020), which the JS9500 is just not ready for. We don't know if the JS9500 will support HDMI 2.0a just yet through a firmware upgrade, and HDMI 2.2. certainly won't come until next year's One Connect Box is released.
Also, beware of the curved screen and the VA panel. The reflections on curved screen have a tendency to "smear" all across the screen, which can be unsightly on dark scenes during the day. And VA panels, as we all know, don't have the same viewing angles of IPS. Minor things, but certainly to be noted.
If none of that bothers you, then jump on the JS9500. It truly is a killer TV and very much worth the pricetag. I didn't mean to convey that it's anything but. It's just it's come out right in the middle of spec finalizations, so I've decided to wait.
I agree to no, if you're buying a $500 HDTV, I disagree on the front that you should do it, especially if you are an avid movie/tv/video content watcher. The thing to note about ISF calibration is that not only does it dial in the accuracy of the picture, but it also calibrates for the environment the TV is in, taking into consideration lighting and the room. It's jarring for me to go from my ISF picture settings to the non-calibrated modes. I think it's one of those things that is best appreciated after you can see how much more accurate the picture becomes.
Ha, I'm glad it worked out for you, bear in mind I was going from a top end Kuro, and I went for the W802 Originally, and that was an awful set, I was horrified, I'm only going by reviews to be fair, comparing W955, it's a shame that Sony revised the model with a IPS screen, and only local dimming on the bottom of the panel, glad you like it though!
word. bought my Pioneer in 2008 and still loving it.
Rodney McKay
Member
So my girlfriend and I are looking to get a new TV for our living room and we're thinking of going for a 60in with a price range around $1000-1300.
Since I'm interested in having 3D support (I have some 3D blurays and I might be interested in playing some of my PC games in 3D on it) I was interested in getting the Sony KDL60W850B which RTINGS gave a good review to and they recommend it as one of their "Best 60in TV" list. And it's only $1100.
But we're a little hesitant about buying the TV online since it doesn't seem to be in stores anymore. Amazon only has a few available through a third party seller (Video & Audio Center), but It's still available from the Sony online store and you have the option of buying 2-5 year service plans for what seem like reasonable prices ($80-200).
3D 60in TVs in our price range are pretty hard to find in stores, so my question is how safe do you think it would be to purchase this TV online without having seen it in person. Reviews are pretty great for it apart from the 3D only being so-so (which is OK since I think I'll only use it occasionally).
I'm thinking that with an extended service warranty we'll be in good shape in the long run, and if the TV is bad out of the box we should be OK to return it or replace it through Sony, right?
Since I'm interested in having 3D support (I have some 3D blurays and I might be interested in playing some of my PC games in 3D on it) I was interested in getting the Sony KDL60W850B which RTINGS gave a good review to and they recommend it as one of their "Best 60in TV" list. And it's only $1100.
But we're a little hesitant about buying the TV online since it doesn't seem to be in stores anymore. Amazon only has a few available through a third party seller (Video & Audio Center), but It's still available from the Sony online store and you have the option of buying 2-5 year service plans for what seem like reasonable prices ($80-200).
3D 60in TVs in our price range are pretty hard to find in stores, so my question is how safe do you think it would be to purchase this TV online without having seen it in person. Reviews are pretty great for it apart from the 3D only being so-so (which is OK since I think I'll only use it occasionally).
I'm thinking that with an extended service warranty we'll be in good shape in the long run, and if the TV is bad out of the box we should be OK to return it or replace it through Sony, right?
Thank you both.
1. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=953806 I'll give it a try!
2. The Computer mode setting have the correct aspect ratio.
3. HDMI ports are just labelled as ARC, I will have to try them all went I get back home in a few hours.
Man, after all the back and forth I've had with rgb limited/vs full, I now realize (I think) that my tv supports 444. I have a Panasonic VT25, and it is displaying my pc at ycbcr444 when I switch to it in the Nvidia control panel.
So, what should I be using full RGB, or 444? I'm assuming it is displaying the 444 (it only gives me limited as an option in the NVCP) correctly, and that it wouldn't display anything if it didn't support it. I am running 2x 970 into a Denon hdmi 1.4 receiver, into a Panasonic VT25 all using HDMI.
Is there a test image or some way to know I have things set up properly? This kind of thing drives me crazy. Should I have output color depth at 12?
So, what should I be using full RGB, or 444? I'm assuming it is displaying the 444 (it only gives me limited as an option in the NVCP) correctly, and that it wouldn't display anything if it didn't support it. I am running 2x 970 into a Denon hdmi 1.4 receiver, into a Panasonic VT25 all using HDMI.
Is there a test image or some way to know I have things set up properly? This kind of thing drives me crazy. Should I have output color depth at 12?
Valkyr Junkie
Member
Sony just held their annual Investors Relation day, and I noticed something that stands out on this slide.
Is Crystal LED returning from the grave?
Is Crystal LED returning from the grave?
Pretty much every television on the market will have some kind of negative. There is no perfect display. The only thing I'm not a fan of on the JS9500 is the curve. I'm waiting until all the 2015 models release and hoping for a timely rollout of UHD BD so I can see everything in action before buying later this year. Sony is starting to trickle out the X930C and X940C to stores. Panasonic CX850 should be out in another month or so though they're damn near an internet direct vendor at this point. Vizio Reference and maybe P-series depending on HDR support. Keeping my fingers crossed that LG supports HDMI 2.0a on the flat OLED models coming out in September. I've been waiting 2+ years to upgrade my rear projection set so I don't think I can wait another model cycle with the optical block failing.
DJ Lushious
Member
Absolutely, you are right.
For you, going from rear projection, you're in a good spot where no matter what TV you get next you're going to get a massive upgrade. With my Kuro Elite, on the other hand, the cost just didn't justify the end result. I cannot stress this enough, though, the JS9500 is a fantastic set.
psychotron
Member
Ordered a 65" P-Series Vizio today. Really hoping it works out. The low input lag should make gaming feel great....hopefully. Anyone have one?
Here's my black uniformity. Picture was taken with the same settings as what RTINGS does, ISO-200, 2" and F4.0, 6500K white balance. It's so black you can't even see where my TV ends in the room.
Game mode has clouding, but all the local dimming is turned off. I also like my game mode to be much brighter for daytime playing. But still seems par for the course for LED edge lit.
MrBenchmark
Member
I have a P55 fantastic gaming TV, fantastic in general i love mine. Mine is a IPS panel but that's what i wanted