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Hey all

Currently looking at getting a new TV but it's been awhile. Looking to it under $2000 and 60+ inches.

Couple questions though:

- do manufacturers ever release 3D and non 3D versions of the same set? I'm not interested in 3D.
Sometimes. It should be clear in the the product description whether the set is 3D capable or not. 3D sets naturally will cost more than their non-3D counterparts.

- curved sets seem pointless and fadish but is there a point to them? It seems like an additional cost that doesn't add to the actual picture quality
Curved sets have better viewing angles. They can also appear more "immersive" if you're sitting close enough to the set, but I don't particularly care for them. Some people swear by them though. Try to see one in person and see if it's something you might want.

- Will a quality LED future-proof me for 3-5 years?
Yes.

- What aspect of HD TVs causes ghosting or shadowing in moving shots like in nature documentaries?
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Those are due to actual ghosts. They're the vengeful spirits of the laborers who assembled the sets in poor working conditions and eventually committed suicide. Whatever you pay for the television, be prepared to shell out an extra $150-$500 for an exorcism and color calibration.

Edit: In regards to 4k, depends on how much UHD content you have access to. Pickings are kind of slim at the moment, but 4k sets typically only cost a few hundred more than 1080p sets of the same size. I recently bought a 70 inch Vizio M-series 4k set for about $1500 and it looks stellar, but it lacks some of the newer bells and whistles like HDR. It has extremely low input lag for a 4k set though, which was more important to me. Your mileage may vary, but a 4k set will generally be more future-proof than a 1080p set.
 
Those are due to actual ghosts. They're the vengeful spirits of the laborers who assembled the sets in poor working conditions and eventually committed suicide. Whatever you pay for the television, be prepared to shell out an extra $150-$500 for an exorcism and color calibration.

Sonofabitch... I told my wife that's what was going on but she didn't believe me. She didn't believe me... I loved her...

Thanks for the info!
 
I hope that the many of next years TVs come with a DisplayPort and option to operate in a PWM/flicker-free mode, like most of Sony's models.
Lower input lag in PC mode, full 4:4:4 chroma support and maybe even FreeSync. None of this should be hard to implement or a cause for notable additional cost. Then they will also be great as monitors.
 
- do manufacturers ever release 3D and non 3D versions of the same set? I'm not interested in 3D.

Most manufacturer's models are released in pricing tiers based on quality and various features. It's true the cheaper sets don't have 3D, but they are usually other features (such as better refresh rates, picture quality, etc.) that they are also lacking. My advice is to simply ignore 3D and look for a set that meets your needs otherwise. You never have to turn on the 3D feature if you don't want to, and you are usually not paying a premium "just" for 3D.

- curved sets seem pointless and fadish but is there a point to them? It seems like an additional cost that doesn't add to the actual picture quality

It's a gimmick for sure but again, unless the curve bothers you I would not discount a good set that met my needs just because it was curved. I recently picked up a curved set and wasn't sure how I would feel about it but it turned out to not be a problem at all. The wife and I adjusted very quickly.

- What aspect of HD TVs causes ghosting or shadowing in moving shots like in nature documentaries?

This is called DSE or the "Dirty Screen Effect" and is caused by uniformity issues in the display. Most LCD/LED sets suffer from this problem to various degrees. Please see the following page on RTINGS about gray screen uniformity and you will see how various sets stack up with each other on this issue. It somewhat varies from panel to panel so there is an element of luck involved as well.

- and of course, 1080p vs. 4k... Is there even a reason to go 4k right now?

PC games look great in 4K, but it's not essential otherwise. However, like 3D, most of the best sets are going to be 4K at this point, so it's best to ignore whether a set is 4K and just buy the set the best matches your needs, 4K or not. It won't hurt you and the good sets have excellent scalers that make the set great for 1080p content as well.
 
Not sure if legit but...

http://future.wikia.com/wiki/2016_Television_Models

Edit: I think this is bogus. Current HDMI can't do 8K, unless these "8K" TVs has DisplayPort 1.3... Ugh so close to CES.

I think HDMI 2.0 can handle 8K at 24p

It wouldn't surprise me if the first 8K TVs arrive with minimal support, the first 4K sets only has 1.4 ports and as such were limited to 30 Hz.

Would be great if they put a DP 1.3 port on them though, assuming this is real.
 
Hey all
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- Will a quality LED future-proof me for 3-5 years?
Thanks!

Probably not, but there is no tech that is future proof. Having said that, it really depends on what you call quality LED? Highend models like the Samsung JS9500 or Sony KD-75X9405C are somewhat future proof if HDR is important to you. But they are way above your price range.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd75x9405c-201508314160.htm
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue65js9500-201502234012.htm
 
My problem with 4K is that when it truly takes off then I'm gonna have to buy a new receiver too.

Yep, I think I may actually split my amp and reciever this time, I feel like I replace my reciever too often (every 4-5 years) just because new surround or display formats come out, yet the actual amp part of the receiver is perfectly fine and in no need of replacing.
 
Yep, I think I may actually split my amp and reciever this time, I feel like I replace my reciever too often (every 4-5 years) just because new surround or display formats come out, yet the actual amp part of the receiver is perfectly fine and in no need of replacing.

I also have hdmi running thru my walls installed in 2009. I wonder if the in wall cables support 4K?
 
I also have hdmi running thru my walls installed in 2009. I wonder if the in wall cables support 4K?

It's possible they do, as long as they are fairly good quality. For instance I bought a supposed 4K rated cable from EBay, a couple of months ago, hooked it up to my PC and it was awful, sparkly picture and kept cutting out. So I tried my 7 year old cable, thinking it has no chance and it works fantastic, and it wasn't even an expensive HDMI lead! It's just more marketing bullshit to make people buy more cables. Currys tried selling me a '4K' 1M cable for £90! Lol
 
I think HDMI 2.0 can handle 8K at 24p

It wouldn't surprise me if the first 8K TVs arrive with minimal support, the first 4K sets only has 1.4 ports and as such were limited to 30 Hz.

Would be great if they put a DP 1.3 port on them though, assuming this is real.

That'd be crazy if this actually happens. I do know Panasonic did put DisplayPort 1.2 on some of their TVs.

This one has DisplayPort 1.2. http://shop.panasonic.com/tvs/4k-tvs/shop-all-4k-tv/TC-65AX900U.html
 
My problem with 4K is that when it truly takes off then I'm gonna have to buy a new receiver too.

I'm still waiting for a receiver that properly handles HDMI 2.0 full bandwidth with HDCP 2.2 on all inputs and outputs. This is sure taking forever, the receiver manufacturers are really dragging their feet.
 
I'm still waiting for a receiver that properly handles HDMI 2.0 full bandwidth with HDCP 2.2 on all inputs and outputs. This is sure taking forever, the receiver manufacturers are really dragging their feet.

I've been using a Marantz SR7010 for a while now and I'm pretty sure it handles HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 on all 8 inputs and 3 outputs as advertised. Are you looking into a particular brand that hasn't yet fully updated their flagship receivers? I was going to upgrade my NAD T 787 with a 4K MDC module they'd sent me a discount voucher for, but was advised to purchase the Marantz for the time being, and wait until NAD releases a new line of A/V receivers with full and proper 4K support out of the box. Anyway, like I said, the SR7010 has been great so far.
 
My problem with 4K is that when it truly takes off then I'm gonna have to buy a new receiver too.

And you'll buy one with Atmos/DTS:X support so you'll then buy more speakers. It's the nature of home theater addiction. Your system is never finished.

I'm still waiting for a receiver that properly handles HDMI 2.0 full bandwidth with HDCP 2.2 on all inputs and outputs. This is sure taking forever, the receiver manufacturers are really dragging their feet.

New models started rolling out a few months ago with full HDMI/HDCP 2.2. I know all the new Denon/Marantz models support it.
 
I'm still waiting for a receiver that properly handles HDMI 2.0 full bandwidth with HDCP 2.2 on all inputs and outputs. This is sure taking forever, the receiver manufacturers are really dragging their feet.

Sony do a STN-1060 receiver with 1 HDMI with 2.0 and 2.2 HDCP support, doesn't support chroma 4:4:4 though, but good if on a budget.
 
My problem with 4K is that when it truly takes off then I'm gonna have to buy a new receiver too.

Depends on what you run. If you are just running 4K bluray, any manufacture worth a damn will have dual outputs on their players so you just need to run one to display and the other to AVR.

I'm hoping Oppo or Panasonic come with something soon, because th eprotype Samsung showed last year had one output (wtf are they thinking).

Yep, I think I may actually split my amp and reciever this time, I feel like I replace my reciever too often (every 4-5 years) just because new surround or display formats come out, yet the actual amp part of the receiver is perfectly fine and in no need of replacing.

Yeah I am on about the same schedule. Upgrade display every 1-2 years, and AVR once every 4-5. Also thinking of going pre pro as well. I had to do a bunch of upgrades for 3D, and jumped to soon on 4K so missing HDCP 2.2 but i have atmos on my A2040, so I'm good there, running 7.2.2 now. Will probably do an upgrade in 2017.
 
I'm still waiting for a receiver that properly handles HDMI 2.0 full bandwidth with HDCP 2.2 on all inputs and outputs. This is sure taking forever, the receiver manufacturers are really dragging their feet.

Yamaha, Pioneer, Denon, Marantz, Onkyo all have a HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 on their most recent model lines.
 
Just want to offer my two cents/impressions regarding the LG OLED EG9100.

I own a Pioneer Kuro LX5090, which I bought brand new in 2011, I think. Over time it developed a red tint to the blacks, and they're not quite as deep anymore, so when my parents offered me a decent price for it about 6 months ago, I started looking for a replacement.

I've waited for OLED TVs for quite some time now, but I thought the price was a bit too high, so I decided to buy a Sony W805, which I'd keep for a couple of years before buying an OLED. I returned it, and kept the Kuro for a while longer.

In the meantime, some new LG OLED models came out, and I decided to buy the 9100 on Black Friday. Yesterday I called the store, and told them I'll return it.

Why?

Because, even though the blacks are awesome, it has several problems, some more irritating than others, and I can't justify paying that much money for a product that is pretty much non-future proof (non-4k, non-HDR) as well. The problems I have with it include poor near blacks, vertical banding, vignetting, colour tinting (pink on the left, green in the middle) and the input lag.

I don't know about the 960, but for those of you who consider the EG9100 right now, feel free to buy one, but don't expect a perfect TV. In my opinion, it's sadly far from it. Hopefully we'll have OLED models with no issues in a couple of years, but right now, there are too many issues for me to justify buying it at that price. I can't wait for Sony and Samsung to jump on the train.

I'll buy a Samsung JS9000 as soon as I've returned the LG, and see how it compares. Dat input lag.

Ah, as i thought, ill be sticking with my Kuro for a little longer then.
 
Depends on what you run. If you are just running 4K bluray, any manufacture worth a damn will have dual outputs on their players so you just need to run one to display and the other to AVR.

I'm hoping Oppo or Panasonic come with something soon, because th eprotype Samsung showed last year had one output (wtf are they thinking).

I can only hope that the Samsung they showed at IFA wasn't final hardware and that we get dual HDMI on the production model. A lack of dual outs would seem weird when they are supporting other more advanced features like dual band wifi, web browser, etc. I'm also hoping all the players have good 4K app support. I'd rather use an outboard player with dual HDMI connections than have to deal with TV apps that are limited to ARC.
 
I'm still waiting for a receiver that properly handles HDMI 2.0 full bandwidth with HDCP 2.2 on all inputs and outputs. This is sure taking forever, the receiver manufacturers are really dragging their feet.

I just bought a Denon AVR-X4200W. It does what you're asking for. I was waiting for that, too.
 
I can only hope that the Samsung they showed at IFA wasn't final hardware and that we get dual HDMI on the production model. A lack of dual outs would seem weird when they are supporting other more advanced features like dual band wifi, web browser, etc. I'm also hoping all the players have good 4K app support. I'd rather use an outboard player with dual HDMI connections than have to deal with TV apps that are limited to ARC.

Yeah I don't even bother with ARC, it's garbage because you have to have HDMI CEC on for it to work and using that with Harmony has always been a hot mess. i just run optical to AVR.
 
Depends on what you run. If you are just running 4K bluray, any manufacture worth a damn will have dual outputs on their players so you just need to run one to display and the other to AVR.

I'm hoping Oppo or Panasonic come with something soon, because th eprotype Samsung showed last year had one output (wtf are they thinking).



Yeah I am on about the same schedule. Upgrade display every 1-2 years, and AVR once every 4-5. Also thinking of going pre pro as well. I had to do a bunch of upgrades for 3D, and jumped to soon on 4K so missing HDCP 2.2 but i have atmos on my A2040, so I'm good there, running 7.2.2 now. Will probably do an upgrade in 2017.

Is my future 4K FIOS cable box gonna have two HDMI outs too?
 
OLED isn't perfect, no one can say that. What you can easily say is it's as close to perfect as possible in a tv right now. It is the future, and I'm sure even all the high end Samsung's would be oleds now if they didn't bet on the wrong tech. If anything, it needs better input lag and a touch wider color coverage.

Soon as there is a good 77"+ OLED I'm in. My 65EF9500 with my denon receiver with Def Tech super towers and surround will hold me over until then. So incredible as is, can't wait to see the future of this tech.
 
OLED isn't perfect, no one can say that. What you can easily say is it's as close to perfect as possible in a tv right now. It is the future, and I'm sure even all the high end Samsung's would be oleds now if they didn't bet on the wrong tech. If anything, it needs better input lag and a touch wider color coverage.

Soon as there is a good 77"+ OLED I'm in. My 65EF9500 with my denon receiver with Def Tech super towers and surround will hold me over until then. So incredible as is, can't wait to see the future of this tech.

This is it really. I was in stores the other day and the LG OLED's, especially the 4K EG960V was easily the best TV in the entire store. The main problem aside from the price point, is the input lag is still too high for me to warrant purchasing one. I already have a Panasonic Plasma which produces deep blacks but that TV also suffers from high input lag.

I will move my ST60 into my bedroom the second somebody releases an affordable 4K OLED with a half decent input lag.
 
My Panasonic 55" LCD got diagnosed with a busted panel (has noticeable lines going across it on the left side) and was told even though they *knew* it was a manufacturing fault with that model it would still cost me over $700 to fix. Fucked if I'm buying anything Panasonic again. I don't do a huge amount of gaming on my living room TV but I do sometimes so thinking about a replacement.

Are there any good deals on any 60" 1080p sets or should I just give up and get a 4K? Just seems kinda mad paying the extra for something I'd barely use.

If I were to get a 4K and hook it up my PC, would I be limited to 60hz or do they have 120hz input models these days?
 
OLED isn't perfect, no one can say that. What you can easily say is it's as close to perfect as possible in a tv right now. It is the future, and I'm sure even all the high end Samsung's would be oleds now if they didn't bet on the wrong tech. If anything, it needs better input lag and a touch wider color coverage.

Motion resolution remains the deal breaker for me.
 
OLED isn't perfect, no one can say that. What you can easily say is it's as close to perfect as possible in a tv right now. It is the future, and I'm sure even all the high end Samsung's would be oleds now if they didn't bet on the wrong tech. If anything, it needs better input lag and a touch wider color coverage.

Soon as there is a good 77"+ OLED I'm in. My 65EF9500 with my denon receiver with Def Tech super towers and surround will hold me over until then. So incredible as is, can't wait to see the future of this tech.

No TV technology has ever been perfect, including the vaunted CRT. But the limitations of OLEDs, while they are different from the limitations of LCDs, make it so many people will continue to choose the much cheaper and more widely available LCD.

If black level was the be-all and end-all of display tech, plasma would have killed LCD long ago. We all know what actually happened there. Furthermore OLED offers minimal improvement in motion resolution over LCD and I'll tell you right now that the real reason I ever cared about plasma was motion resolution, not black level. The black level in my current Sony 65X900A isn't anywhere near what my Panasonic 65VT60 had, and the motion resolution of the X900A is absolutely disgusting compared to the VT60, but I'm still using the X900A. So I guess there's something to be said for a display technology which doesn't have fucking goddamned burn-in.

The bigger problem is that there is only one supplier of large OLED panels at the moment and LG has many other problems that an OLED panel won't solve by itself. It would be nice if Samsung figured their damn RGB OLEDs out and re-entered the market because LG needs someone to be better than them, see the Samsung vs. LG rivalry in mobile phones for more information.

Yamaha, Pioneer, Denon, Marantz, Onkyo all have a HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 on their most recent model lines.

Sony do a STN-1060 receiver with 1 HDMI with 2.0 and 2.2 HDCP support, doesn't support chroma 4:4:4 though, but good if on a budget.

And you'll buy one with Atmos/DTS:X support so you'll then buy more speakers. It's the nature of home theater addiction. Your system is never finished.



New models started rolling out a few months ago with full HDMI/HDCP 2.2. I know all the new Denon/Marantz models support it.

I've been using a Marantz SR7010 for a while now and I'm pretty sure it handles HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 on all 8 inputs and 3 outputs as advertised. Are you looking into a particular brand that hasn't yet fully updated their flagship receivers? I was going to upgrade my NAD T 787 with a 4K MDC module they'd sent me a discount voucher for, but was advised to purchase the Marantz for the time being, and wait until NAD releases a new line of A/V receivers with full and proper 4K support out of the box. Anyway, like I said, the SR7010 has been great so far.

Dammit guys, I just spent a lot of money upgrading my computer and now you all tell me this. I'm going to have to figure out when I do a receiver upgrade then, it will be this year probably though. :(

Thanks for letting me know though. :D
 
LG announces new "SUPER UHD" LCD models...

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-lg-super-uhd-tvs-to-debut-at-ces-2016-300198378.html

All edge-lit
All IPS panels
90% DCI-P3
Thin design
HDR support but no specs on brightness

Thin edge-lit crap means look forward to light bleed and flashlighting on all models. 90% is bit weak considering Sony got 94% and Samsung got 92% of DCI on last years models. Pretty much just mailing it in on the LCD side. They can more than make up for it with their OLED announcements though. That will be what everyone has their attention on.
 
Waiting for LG's and Panasonic's OLED TV showcases at CES. Give us something good. Display Port 1.3, low input lag, no burn in issues, etc.
 
So Im pretty new to the modern HDTV scene...been using a Samsung 40 inch720p TV from 2007 up until recently. I also use an older 24 inch Dell 1080P LCD monitor for PC gaming.

Last week I finally got a 55inch 1080p tv...specifically this one (Sony KDL55W800C):

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/w800c?uxtv=97b6

I have it hooked to my PC and with the new TV and my old monitor side by side and I still think my older monitor has a better picture. The HDTV looks like slightly more washed out and I notice that black is darker on the HDTV than it is on the monitor (still cant decide if this is a good thing or not).

Basically Im wondering if Im just being really picky or was it crazy to expect a 55inch tv to produce better picture quality than a 24inch PC monitor?
 
I just bought a Denon AVR-X4200W. It does what you're asking for. I was waiting for that, too.

I bought the one below that the 3200w I think and it also does the same, HDMI 2.0 on all inputs and it has been working great. Got my gaming rig running on my Panasonic 4k 65" set with full chroma 4:4:4 at 4k/60fps no issues whatsoever and great 7.1 audio with the Denon receiver!!!
 
Waiting for LG's and Panasonic's OLED TV showcases at CES. Give us something good. Display Port 1.3, low input lag, no burn in issues, etc.

Same. Looking forward to CES news this year. I have been in a bad habit of upgrading my TV every year. 2013 I bought Sony's 4k 900a, 2014 Panasonic 4k, 2015 Panasonic 4k. Still have the Sony and the 2015 Panasonic, gave the 2014 Panasonic to my friends dad since they needed a new TV.

But yet still looking forward to something new. OLED sounds interesting, but input lag is pretty important. Based on what I am reading about new sets for 2016, I might not be upgrading this year, it really comes down to what OLED sets come out and the input lag. Or course, I am a big fan of Sony, but been disappointing that they still don't have full HDMI 2.0 enabled sets with true 4:4:4 chroma in any of the current models.
 
Oled has dse too, something all led,lcds suffer from, my new Sony 4k 55X9005 has it, my old 2008 panny plasma had perfect uniformity, worse blacks, insane colours, amazing motion resolution, noisy picture and used 600w.

No tv is ever going to perfect,not for the foreseeable future.
 
But yet still looking forward to something new. OLED sounds interesting, but input lag is pretty important. Based on what I am reading about new sets for 2016, I might not be upgrading this year, it really comes down to what OLED sets come out and the input lag. Or course, I am a big fan of Sony, but been disappointing that they still don't have full HDMI 2.0 enabled sets with true 4:4:4 chroma in any of the current models.

Sony put out a firmware update around August or September that added full HDMI 2.0 with 4:4:4 support on the X930C/X940C. Not sure if they added it for other models.
 
Anyone got comments for Toshiba LEDs in general?

Looking at a basic 1080p, 55" LED Toshiba at Best Buy currently.
 
Sony put out a firmware update around August or September that added full HDMI 2.0 with 4:4:4 support on the X930C/X940C. Not sure if they added it for other models.

Hmmm. Just looked at Sony's site and they list those models as 4:2:0 still, you would think if they improved it they would of updated the specs for the set.
 
Hmmm. Just looked at Sony's site and they list those models as 4:2:0 still, you would think if they improved it they would of updated the specs for the set.

They are 4:4:4 in 4K since the firmware update. You have to go to an "HDMI menu" to enable it, though (by going with the "enhanced" setting). It definitely works.
And this is true for every X model (even the x830c).

They are all HDR-ready too (and REC.2020 partially compatible as they should). Only the 830c isn't HDR ready.

In fact, I think every 2015 Sony UHD model is great. I personally have the 49x8309c, the IPS one, and it is indeed excellent (as an IPS as I have stated in this very thread before), you really can't go wrong. But then, as an European, I don't know if I can directly compare them to the US models, they don't come from the same factories and are somewhat different in pricing and referencing.
 
Hmmm. Just looked at Sony's site and they list those models as 4:2:0 still, you would think if they improved it they would of updated the specs for the set.

A firmware update in August made them support 4:4:4. it was literally the first thing I checked on my 940c when I bought it.
 
Yep, I think I may actually split my amp and reciever this time, I feel like I replace my reciever too often (every 4-5 years) just because new surround or display formats come out, yet the actual amp part of the receiver is perfectly fine and in no need of replacing.

It's the best bet.

I nicked the old man's Rotel power amp, 100w per channel.

Receivers come and go as technology changes with new sound formats, inputs etc. An amp never changes, it'll be as relevant today as the day you bought it. But a good one now, no reason it shouldn't be as good 15-20yes later while receivers are only good for about half as long as that. Add in all the extra shit they have to do and they are also more likely to fail well before a dedicated amp also.

On the TV side of things, every time I step into a store I'm more convinced if you are looking for a high end set, anything that isn't OLED is a waste of time. They may have their issues like all sets, but the image quality is so far and away above anything else it's crazy. Yeh, calibration will improve any set compared to the pumped up contrasty shit they have in store modes but even taking that into consideration the blacks and the detail in shadows just leaves everything else for dead.
 
"The Panasonic 65CZ952’s fastest input lag is a hefty 74 ms, which makes it unsuitable for all but the most sedate gaming use."

OLED is not ready for gaming.
 
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