Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen

saying with a straight face curved is good for gaming. This thread with so called pro's never stops delivering for me.
 
Dead said:
UHD Blu-Ray impressions:


Now this is all viewed on a 4K OLED set. I don't want to speculate as to what the result is on a Full Array LED, much less an Edge Lit one.

Once we start getting more movies that are actually SHOT and MASTERED in 4K, it will be even better, but HDR is the real deal.

Makes me very excited for the Mad Max UDH blu...HDR will look amazing with the way that movie looks.
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I will go ahead speak as an owner of an edge lit sit who has viewed the Exdous HDR demo off a thumb drive, that it looks incredible and gave me that almost 3D type impression.
 
Josh378 said:
Did you sacrifice quality for size when you decided on the Vizio? Any regrets?
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Nah, no regrets. Great TV. Good picture and probably the best TV on the market right now for gaming (the 7500 a close second). I went the cheaper route because I plan on getting an OLED in the next 2-3 years.
celcius said:
This is what I want to know.
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Here's a list that will continue to be updated

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...ailable-4k-hdr-titles-will-updated-often.html
 
tmdorsey said:
I will go ahead speak as an owner of an edge lit sit who has viewed the Exdous HDR demo off a thumb drive, that it looks incredible and gave me that almost 3D type impression.
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which LED?

I'm just curious, a buddy of mine has a Sony X850C and I really wonder just how good it would look on it
 
Josh378 said:
Well I was going to get a 4K LG OLED 55 inch for $3000, but i heard that the refresh and the screen timing is horrible for gaming. Now im back at square one and i think i am going to only spend $2k on a TV. I am willing to sacrifice screen size in order to get the best color and contrast ratio. What do you guys think about this television:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TWFHSPY/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Any recommendations?
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You're giving up color and contrast with that going from a OLED to that TV especially. It's not even their SUHD line, and it's curved. At least get a JS8500 from Samsung if you must. I'd suggest a Sony 930/940C (or D in a few weeks) before other LED TVs if you don't want to join the glorious OLED TV master race. :)

930Cs are pretty cheap atm iirc.

That "3D" effect on Samsungs is their edge enhancer or whatever they call it.
 
J-Rzez said:
You're giving up color and contrast with that going from a OLED to that TV especially. It's not even their SUHD line, and it's curved. At least get a JS8500 from Samsung if you must. I'd suggest a Sony 930/940C (or D in a few weeks) before other LED TVs if you don't want to join the glorious OLED TV master race. :)

930Cs are pretty cheap atm iirc.

That "3D" effect on Samsungs is their edge enhancer or whatever they call it.
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My problem is that I will be gaming on the TV alot and refresh and motion blur on the oled. I was told it was bad for console gaming.
 
Josh378 said:
My problem is that I will be gaming on the TV alot and refresh and motion blur on the oled. I was told it was bad for console gaming.
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Only thing bad on the OLED by some people's standards would be input lag, it's response time is second to none. The issue the EF9500 had was judder, especially in movies. That's been fixed. I haven't gamed much on it since I patched it, I'll have to check it out again since I updated it. I'm pretty critical on things being a PC gamer and all, and input lag is noticeable on the 9500/9600 but at 50ms is acceptable to me. I competitively game on PC, so i'm ok with a bit of lag on my console in exchange for PQ. Hell, i play my PC on it a lot outside of competitive MP shooters because it's PQ is superior to any computer monitor I've gamed on. Maybe that Dell OLED trumps it, but it's $5000 for a 30" monitor, so nope. My buddies I gamed in Battlefront on PS4 wanted to see it on the TV and they were blown away.

The PQ, color/contrast on an OLED is without a doubt, unmatched. I could have bought any TV I wanted, the premium Sony's and Samsung's, and I went with my OLED. I will sacrifice a bit of input lag for jaw dropping visuals for console play.

But that's just me.

My suggestion though is to look long and hard at the JS8500 instead of the 7500. It can handle HDR and WCG, where as the 7500 can not, and is curved (I can't stand it's impact on geometry and limited viewing angles due to color quality drop outside it's sweet spot. I would go for that JS8500, or in your budget a X930C, or, just wait out a couple weeks for the newer, probably better 2016 models that won't really go up in price a lot. They should have better upconversion and motion (Sony here has it locked going by C models), better HDR and color space for other viewing.
 
J-Rzez said:
Only thing bad on the OLED by some people's standards would be input lag, it's response time is second to none. The issue the EF9500 had was judder, especially in movies. That's been fixed. I haven't gamed much on it since I patched it, I'll have to check it out again since I updated it. I'm pretty critical on things being a PC gamer and all, and input lag is noticeable on the 9500/9600 but at 50ms is acceptable to me. I competitively game on PC, so i'm ok with a bit of lag on my console in exchange for PQ. Hell, i play my PC on it a lot outside of competitive MP shooters because it's PQ is superior to any computer monitor I've gamed on. Maybe that Dell OLED trumps it, but it's $5000 for a 30" monitor, so nope. My buddies I gamed in Battlefront on PS4 wanted to see it on the TV and they were blown away.

The PQ, color/contrast on an OLED is without a doubt, unmatched. I could have bought any TV I wanted, the premium Sony's and Samsung's, and I went with my OLED. I will sacrifice a bit of input lag for jaw dropping visuals for console play.

But that's just me.

My suggestion though is to look long and hard at the JS8500 instead of the 7500. It can handle HDR and WCG, where as the 7500 can not, and is curved (I can't stand it's impact on geometry and limited viewing angles due to color quality drop outside it's sweet spot. I would go for that JS8500, or in your budget a X930C, or, just wait out a couple weeks for the newer, probably better 2016 models that won't really go up in price a lot. They should have better upconversion and motion (Sony here has it locked going by C models), better HDR and color space for other viewing.
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So End of Day: LG OLED - 55 inch 9500

If not, I can look into those options you suggested above. Thanks for the info!
 
farmerboy said:
Ultra hd and hdr. What do they mean to my denon avr x2000?

Do we have to upgrade our recievers as well?
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Connecting Ultra HD with HDR via HDMI requires HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2. You would need a new receiver if you want to use the video switching capabilities. However, the new UHD BD players that are out or coming out all have dual HDMI outs. This will allow you to run the primary HDMI out directly to a 4K television and the second HDMI out for audio to your existing receiver.
 
I hope there are some receivers that qualify, that dont cost 2000$. I've seen some incredibly expensive ones out there. Bleh.

Edit: Oh that dual hdmi out sounds good too.
 
celcius said:
This is what I want to know.



Why do you say that?
And if so, how will it look any better than the 1080p BD?
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What I mean is the majority of the initial movies on Ultra Blu arnt natively shot in 4K, but 2K and some 3K. They'll look better than the 1080p BD because the studios do what they call a 4K scan of the 2K original, so it will look markedly better than what we've seen so far. Now Chappie and Salt which are releasing soon are natively shot at 4K, so a lot of people are looking forward to seeing how they turn out, also Sony have the best HDR tools available at present, so I'm expecting some amazing quality from them.
 
MrJames said:
Connecting Ultra HD with HDR via HDMI requires HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2. You would need a new receiver if you want to use the video switching capabilities. However, the new UHD BD players that are out or coming out all have dual HDMI outs. This will allow you to run the primary HDMI out directly to a 4K television and the second HDMI out for audio to your existing receiver.
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Thanks
 
So 3D is dying off and I think there is nothing to lose from this. Glasses was always tedious and costly and now HDR and high contrasts give image great depth. Read more here:

Of course, 3D isn’t really dead. Hollywood is not going to stop releasing 3D blockbusters anytime soon, given the number of theaters that support it. Even so, this past weekend Deadpool set various box office records for an R-rated film debut, despite being a 2D movie. Instead of 3D, Deadpool was given the Dolby Vision (HDR) and Atmos audio treatment, and it premiered in Dolby Cinema-equipped venues as well as IMAX and other premium commercial theaters. Clearly, its revenue did not suffer as a result of skipping 3D. Personally, I’ll take the superior color and contrast–not to mention the glasses-free viewing experience–of a 2D HDR presentation. It’s funny, two or three years ago I couldn’t get enough 3D. Now, I actively avoid it.
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http://www.avsforum.com/3d-for-tv-is-dead/


Deadpool was released with Doly Vision HDR and Atmos Sound I had no idea. I saw it in IMAX 2D.

Only 13 Dolby Cinema equipped theaters in the country!

I picked Deadpool for my first Dolby Cinema experience because it’s R-rated, and it’s a Marvel comic book film. I had already missed the Dolby Cinema window for catching Star Wars, and The Revenant didn’t much interest me. But Deadpool seemed like my kind of movie, so I hopped on a 7 am bus and headed to the NY to catch the first theatrical showing in Dolby Vision HDR and Dolby Atmos.

...

Deadpool did not disappoint. The movie itself delivered the thrills and shock value I had hoped for. Thanks to Dolby Vision HDR and 4K resolution, it looked and sounded better than any movie I’ve seen in a theater. The first thing I noticed was the improvement in contrast afforded by HDR; seeing plasma-deep blacks in a commercial movie theater gratifies the eyes. There were a number of scenes shot in dark rooms that benefited tremendously from superior shadow detail. Overall, colors were rich and accurate, highlights glistened, and the entire screen looked razor-sharp.
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http://www.avsforum.com/deadpool-in-dolby-vision-hdr-and-atmos-sound/

AVS was impressed. More theaters need this
 
That's pretty much my thing with 3D. I hear its great on OLED and it makes me want to try, but if they aren't going to carry on with the format then I don't really think its worth buying a more expensive LG tv for. For me anyway. I have no attachment to it.

Going to be shit waiting for September for those B6's in Europe though.
 
I want my TV to support 3D but it's not for movies, it's for gaming. Some games are pretty amazing in 3D. Passive is the way to go, though. Much easier on the eyes and no expensive glasses.
 
Yaari said:
That's pretty much my thing with 3D. I hear its great on OLED and it makes me want to try, but if they aren't going to carry on with the format then I don't really think its worth buying a more expensive LG tv for. For me anyway. I have no attachment to it.

Going to be shit waiting for September for those B6's in Europe though.
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Indeed. I might end up buying an E6 instead.
 
julrik said:
Indeed. I might end up buying an E6 instead.
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I can't rule out that I'll be doing the same. Been looking forward to the TV so much that, if I were to run into a good deal, who knows.

But then again there's so much cool hardware coming out this year, I might really have to save the extra money. And I really don't need that soundbar.
 
Yaari said:
I hope there are some receivers that qualify, that dont cost 2000$. I've seen some incredibly expensive ones out there. Bleh.

Edit: Oh that dual hdmi out sounds good too.
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A lot of the new denons support it, even the cheaper ones like the 710 or 910, $479 and $579 respectively normal price.
 
J-Rzez said:
Only thing bad on the OLED by some people's standards would be input lag, it's response time is second to none. The issue the EF9500 had was judder, especially in movies. That's been fixed. I haven't gamed much on it since I patched it, I'll have to check it out again since I updated it. I'm pretty critical on things being a PC gamer and all, and input lag is noticeable on the 9500/9600 but at 50ms is acceptable to me. I competitively game on PC, so i'm ok with a bit of lag on my console in exchange for PQ. Hell, i play my PC on it a lot outside of competitive MP shooters because it's PQ is superior to any computer monitor I've gamed on. Maybe that Dell OLED trumps it, but it's $5000 for a 30" monitor, so nope. My buddies I gamed in Battlefront on PS4 wanted to see it on the TV and they were blown away.

The PQ, color/contrast on an OLED is without a doubt, unmatched. I could have bought any TV I wanted, the premium Sony's and Samsung's, and I went with my OLED. I will sacrifice a bit of input lag for jaw dropping visuals for console play.

But that's just me.

My suggestion though is to look long and hard at the JS8500 instead of the 7500. It can handle HDR and WCG, where as the 7500 can not, and is curved (I can't stand it's impact on geometry and limited viewing angles due to color quality drop outside it's sweet spot. I would go for that JS8500, or in your budget a X930C, or, just wait out a couple weeks for the newer, probably better 2016 models that won't really go up in price a lot. They should have better upconversion and motion (Sony here has it locked going by C models), better HDR and color space for other viewing.
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I have the 9600 and on Game Mode, the input lag isn't noticeable. Play everything from Destiny to Mortal Kombat and can't tell a big difference from the Panasonic plasma in the loft.

Do it. The PQ will make you a snob.
 
That's what I like to hear. I love being a TV snob.

I would never be able to get the wife on board with a 4k OLED due to the price so that's why I got the 1080p EG9100. Also, since I won't be using 4k stuff for a while since it will only be for console games, I am okay with that. So I have another few years at the very least, maybe even another generation after this since some of the games still can't hit 1080p.

My wife almost blew a gasket when I told her tonight the TV was to be delivered this Thursday, even though she gave me the okay the other day. I hope once she sees it she will want one for the living room too. Maybe even 4k even though we already have a 4k LED.
 
I know this isn't the thread but anyone familiar with projectors? I'm looking into getting one to show games not but necessarily play off it.

I know what Lumens and Contrast Ratios mean but I can't figure out if Native Resolution means it's limited to that or if it can go higher like 1280x720 or show HD video, lol. Any thoughts or is there a Home Theater thread about projectors on the forum?
 
Shouta said:
I know this isn't the thread but anyone familiar with projectors? I'm looking into getting one to show games not but necessarily play off it.

I know what Lumens and Contrast Ratios mean but I can't figure out if Native Resolution means it's limited to that or if it can go higher like 1280x720 or show HD video, lol. Any thoughts or is there a Home Theater thread about projectors on the forum?
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Native resolution is the number of pixels a projectors display unit has. Max resolution means what signal it accepts. So say native res is 720p, max is 1080, it'll accept that 1080 signal but compress it to its native res meaning 720, since those are the allocated amount of pixels the display unit has to work with.
 
J-Rzez said:
Native resolution is the number of pixels a projectors display unit has. Max resolution means what signal it accepts. So say native res is 720p, max is 1080, it'll accept that 1080 signal but compress it to its native res meaning 720, since those are the allocated amount of pixels the display unit has to work with.
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Ah, ok! Thanks. I was just wondering what exactly that meant. I now just need to find one that has the Lumens & Contrast I want while still getting a good Native resolution, lol
 
Shouta said:
Ah, ok! Thanks. I was just wondering what exactly that meant. I now just need to find one that has the Lumens & Contrast I want while still getting a good Native resolution, lol
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Usually the hierarchy is:
Best low price <$2000 Epson
Best mid price $2000-6000 JVC
High end Sony native 4K, custom boutique laser projectors, etc.

The JVC models are pricy but they have shockingly good contrast, I've seen that in person and it's fantastic. Epson makes some really great lower price projectors. I'm not too impressed with all those "compact" projectors usually. Their place is for power points and that's about it.
 
J-Rzez said:
Usually the hierarchy is:
Best low price <$2000 Epson
Best mid price $2000-6000 JVC
High end Sony native 4K, custom boutique laser projectors, etc.

The JVC models are pricy but they have shockingly good contrast, I've seen that in person and it's fantastic. Epson makes some really great lower price projectors. I'm not too impressed with all those "compact" projectors usually. Their place is for power points and that's about it.
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I'm definitely not doing anything super high quality like that. I need something that can be used to show fighting game matches and the like at an event in place of folks having to crowd around monitors. As long as it's portable, shows a solid image and doesn't break the bank, I'm good, lol.

I'm thinking of something like this BenQ.
 
Can anyone word me up on the new audio formats for the Ultra HD Blurays or link to a good article about them? I'm completely in the dark about it and would like to read up on it.

Also, what audio codecs are on disc for these first wave of UHD Blurays?
 
Shouta said:
I'm definitely not doing anything super high quality like that. I need something that can be used to show fighting game matches and the like at an event in place of folks having to crowd around monitors. As long as it's portable, shows a solid image and doesn't break the bank, I'm good, lol.

I'm thinking of something like this BenQ.
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I got you. I don't have much experience with BenQ projectors, but just from some quick looks people say they work pretty good. For your needs it would probably do well, especially at that price. Just get a decent portable screen, don't rely on walls at events unless you know the venues well.
 
J-Rzez said:
I got you. I don't have much experience with BenQ projectors, but just from some quick looks people say they work pretty good. For your needs it would probably do well, especially at that price. Just get a decent portable screen, don't rely on walls at events unless you know the venues well.
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Yeah, part of the reason I wanted to go cheaper was to buy screens too, lol.
 
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/lg-65g6-201602164249.htm
After some picture adjustment, we looked at both test signals and a mix of content on the LG OLED65G6. First up, our old faithful Blu-ray Disc of Gladiator (remastered version). The image quality was utterly stunning, and got us enthused about flat panel technology in a way that we’ve rarely been since the end of the last self-emitting display technology. There was no unwanted detail reduction, no digital manipulation, and no color accuracy problems that we could see: just glossy, accurate, vivid, naturally-colored images. We also went over to the other end of the realism spectrum and had the LG Signature G6 display Spirited Away, the 2D animation of which is a great test for screen uniformity. Beyond some very minor blemishes, which we felt were dwarfed by the television’s other strengths, we were ecstatic at the picture performance. Input lag measured using a Leo Bodnar tester came in at 34ms, representing improvement of at least one frame over previous LG 4K OLEDs.
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Will the only difference between the G6 and E6 be the fit and finish along with the soundbar or will there also be differences in the internals?
 
farmerboy said:
Will the only difference between the G6 and E6 be the fit and finish along with the soundbar or will there also be differences in the internals?
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Internals are identical in terms of processing. G6 has better soundbar that is in front of the screen in tabletop mode but folds flush for wall mounting. The G6 has 4 HDMI inputs and there is confusion as to whether the E6 has 3 or 4. LG website lists three and you can count them on the side picture. Amazon listing says the E6 has 4 and a video from a European event shows an E6 with 4 ports. Perhaps there was a change or it could be region specific.

Quick clips someone made at an LG event in Greece or Italy.

G6 showing an HDR effect option

G6 running WebOS 3.0

E6 with 4 HDMI inputs

Curved C6
 
Local sports bar still has about 13 plasmas for the main room. They are about 5 years old running all day everyday and the picture is still amazing in brightness and black detail. Perfect viewing angles. The lcds they got look like hell next to them. Gonna miss this tech.
 
Sony announced most of the pricing for their 2016 lineup.

US prices
75” XBR-75X940D - $7,999.99 MSRP
65” XBR-65X930D - $4,999.99 MSRP
55” XBR-55X930D - $3,299.99 MSRP
85” XBR-85X850D - $9,999.99 MSRP
75” XBR-75X850D - $4,999.99 MSRP
65” XBR-65X850D - $3,499.99 MSRP
55” XBR-55X850D - $2,499.99 MSRP
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UK prices
65” KD-65XD9305 - £2,800
55” KD-55XD9305 - £2,000
75” KD-75XD8505 - £4,000
65” KD-65XD8505 - £2,300
55” KD-55XD8505 - £1,500
48” KDL-48WD65 - £550
40” KDL-40WD65 - £460
32” KDL-32WD60 - £360
40” KDL-40RD45 - £440
32” KDL-32RD43 - £340
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http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1455632344

The X940D is launching at the same price the X940C launched at. The X930D is actually $500 more than what the X930C launched at. It's actually cheaper in the UK So much for bringing 4K prices down.

Looks like the OLED E6 will be the one for me as long as there aren't any issues.
 
MrJames said:
Sony announced most of the pricing for their 2016 lineup.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1455632344

The X940D is launching at the same price the X940C launched at. The X930D is actually $500 more than what the X930C launched at. It's actually cheaper in the UK So much for bringing 4K prices down.

Looks like the OLED E6 will be the one for me as long as there aren't any issues.
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Ugh damn it Sony... I'm scared to check the Canadian pricing for the XBR-75X940D...
 
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