DeepEnigma
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It is claiming <18ms.
Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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It is claiming <18ms.
Can't decide what TV or Computer Monitor to get. I've made a life decision to move every 2 years or so, so I've sold off my Sony 55" 950 (kills me, isf calibrated picture was so good) and Martin Logan sound system. I was going to try not having a TV, but I already miss it. I want something in the 34"-39" range that is 1080p, preferably 120fps, and a VA panel. I was considering getting one of those 34" VA ultrawide Gsync 200hz monitors and just using that as a TV, but not sure if that's too small.. Is there any other standard TV that sorta meats this criteria? I wish there was a Korean panel seller on like yahoo auctions that just made a small, nice panel.
I'm definitely getting one but my expectations aren't very high for playing 2D/3D content on it through the cinema option. The PSVR screen would need to be roughly 4K per eye in order to play 1080p content in cinema mode if it works the same way it does on my GearVR. I still use my HMZ-T1 for 3D content but it's uncomfortable to wear for long periods of time and looks little soft with two 720p OLED screens. I wish Sony would have put out a 1080p version before they dropped them.
Jigolo
Member
VE has announced the 2016 TV shootout.
The participants...
Sony XBR-75X940D
Samsung UN78KS9800
LG 75UH9500
LG OLED65G6P OLED TV
Vizio 65 R series
Hisense 65" H10
June 22-23.
https://www.valueelectronics.com/uploads/VE_2016_TV_Shootout_PR.pdf
The participants...
Sony XBR-75X940D
Samsung UN78KS9800
LG 75UH9500
LG OLED65G6P OLED TV
Vizio 65 R series
Hisense 65" H10
June 22-23.
https://www.valueelectronics.com/uploads/VE_2016_TV_Shootout_PR.pdf
Jigolo
Member
I'm interested in seeing how the Reference series stacks up against the OLEDs
It's too bad this isn't being done for another 3 months or so. I really don't know if I can wait that long to get my TV. It's not doing too well.
mikezilla2
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@33/34 MS ? were dos input lag on the new oleds start being problem and stop being a problem ? what games are impacted ? the current tv i have is a KDL 40Z4500 which iv had since 2009 was thinking of picking up one of LGs oled sets later this year ( selection is alot more limited in AU) with a PS VR but might just hold off getting new set a few more revisions
Rbk_3
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Wowzers
Too bad the TV isn't very good outside of that. Now if only other TV manufacturers could get with this. IF ONLY
It looks like it got a pretty decent review?
Jigolo
Member
I don't think it's a bad buy if you game on it most of the time.
Rbk_3
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I am thinking of just going with the 1080p 64" D series version. Just waiting for their review to confirm the same low input lag. I mainly game and watch cable and don't see those taking advantage of 4K anytime soon.
edit- I should say console game.
Jigolo
Member
There's a 1080 version coming?
Rbk_3
Member
It is already out
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01A0LGUOI/
In the rtings review in the questions it says
The D series also includes 1080p models. How do those compare to last year's E models?
We will post a review of the 1080p D Series separately, in a few weeks.
Jigolo
Member
Oh had no idea. Good luck with whatever you end up buying
queequegs__coffin
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If anybody is trying to snag some good TV deals, now is the best time of year (right next to BF) to buy the outgoing models. Conversely, it's the worst time of year to buy the new models. On top of that, get in touch with the vendors and see what deals you can get whether it's a discount or expedited shipping or coupons. I just purchased a new set and was surprised by how much lower some sites were willing to go than their listed price.
OG_Original Gamer
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Debating between to television brands, to replace my Toshiba with(probably the first TV on the market with local dimming) with either Sony 55" 2015 900c or Vizio M series 50", I'm leaning towards the Sony because of its upscaling capabilities. Just bummed it doesn't have local dimming, I can survive the light bleed. Anyone have either model, and would like to share their opinion?
mikezilla2
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edit: wrong thread
SMOK3Y
Generous Member
Good aussie carDidn't know AVS had a forum dedicated to cars... The Pontiac G8 was a pretty dope car
queequegs__coffin
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Kenny Powers' advice
I guess it depends what content you consume most. The Sony has IPS screen vs VA for Vizio. The Sony has much better video processing for streaming content. The local dimming on the Vizio isn't implemented that well. The Sony has wide-gamut which makes it slightly more future proof and truly more of a 4k set. 4k sets without wide-gamut sort of negates 50% of the reason to upgrade to 4k in the first place. The Vizio has lower lag, but both are suitably low for gaming.
To be honest though, these sets aren't really in the same league/price-point. You'll def get more for the Sony if you decide to sell it down the road.
I'd personally choose the Sony.
PeterVenkman
Member
I'm really eyeing an OLED tv eventually, but I have a question: has any company discussed a tv with adaptive/free/g sync? As a living room PC gamer it might be my most dreamed about feature.
Total pipe dream at this point?
Total pipe dream at this point?
I wish. Doesn't seem to be happening soon, although I think they have gotten the techonology to work with HDMI. The PC in living room market is such a small segment. I was thinking of getting that Acer z35" Curved VA monitor as a TV..
PeterVenkman
Member
Such a bummer. I'd hate to buy a nice oled upgrade only to have a refresh rate update right around the corner. Maybe it'd be something they could patch later?
OG_Original Gamer
Member
Thanks, yeah definitely going to Sony. Will be my first after a Samsung, and three Toshiba's. The last one, a fuse blew and I fixed it, so it can go to another room.
I would get a Sony 4K TV, but not an IPS-based. The native contrast in that will be very low. Find a VA-based Sony.
queequegs__coffin
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Don't thank me. Thank Kenny Powers.
OG_Original Gamer
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I read that, if I had a higher budget, a Samsung would be in the cards. The wife wants a new sofa in the living room and TV stand with better storage.
Samsung has a wide range of products in nearly every price segment.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung
I wouldn't disapprove of an IPS based TV in general, they have their pros. The new Sony X850D is IPS based compared to the last year version the X850C which uses a VA panel.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850d
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/uh8500
Last year model:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850c
If you play exclusively in the dark and straight in front of the TV VA is your best bet (except OLED).
The Android ecosystem is huge and it takes very little effort to get an existing Android phone app to run on Android TV. Also, Android TV apps are written in Java which is better suited for higher performing apps/games unlike the web technologies used for Tizen/WebOS apps. It will have way more app growth than the others because of this.
Here are some pics from my Bravia X850D 55 inch which I just picked up on Bestbuy.com on sale for 1,600. The picture is stunning.
DeepEnigma
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IPS has come a long way on TV's with black levels. While they are not as deep as VA, it is not crazy discernable like they used to be if you have one sitting in your house, not next to VA panels in the store, lol.
I was actually impressed with the Sony 830c IPS models in Best Buy with the screen gloss, etc. Blacks looked plenty satisfactory, again, brighter lighting obviously. But you are not going to be measuring black levels with tools at home like review sites.
They are not all greyed and washed out like hyperbole videophiles shout about, lol.
I was actually impressed with the Sony 830c IPS models in Best Buy with the screen gloss, etc. Blacks looked plenty satisfactory, again, brighter lighting obviously. But you are not going to be measuring black levels with tools at home like review sites.
They are not all greyed and washed out like hyperbole videophiles shout about, lol.
queequegs__coffin
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Yeah, I gotta agree here. Not all IPS panels are created equal too. Truth be told, I'd take a Sony IPS over a Sony VA (and I have a Sony VA).
I do actually measure black levels at home with a colorimeter and the only way to get the deep blacks that are often recorded in review sites (not all, mind you) is to use a contrast enhancer which typically gives you an inaccurate image. I'd trade a slightly higher black level (which is only really noticeable in dark viewing conditions) with much better viewing angles (which is noticeable in all viewing conditions).
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I would have to agree there. Ever since I got a decent IPS gaming monitor, I would never go back to VA again (poor viewing angles eats at me more than a minor bleed or little less on the black levels). OLED or bust at that point.
And if you keep soft ambient lighting red or blue lighting behind you, it does not stick out like they used to with quality IPS panels.
It may eat at some people, but to me, it still looks fantastic.
Next step is an OLED TV, but I am torn if I should get a 50-55" Sony IPS in the $800-$1K range, or wait on another SlickDeals $1300 for the EG9100 whenever that will be. I want the set before Uncharted 4 hits, and I have a backlog I do not want to play on my 27" 1080p IPS monitor, because I want to experience them on a 50"+ screen. Especially Alien: Isolation, (which is making me lean towards the OLED for obvious 'infinite blacks' reasoning, lol).
1.21Gigawatts
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A friend of mine wants to buy a new TV and I was wondering if someone has some recommendations on which models are currently good picks.
Its mainly for gaming(Ps4) but also watching football(soccer) and netflix and occasionally BluRays.
His budget is about 700-1000
Is it smart to go for 4k even though there is no 4k content? Or is it better to pick a FullHD TV in the same price range, will the image quality be better?
I see a lot of talk about input lag here, is this an issue when you're just casually gaming?
Its mainly for gaming(Ps4) but also watching football(soccer) and netflix and occasionally BluRays.
His budget is about 700-1000
Is it smart to go for 4k even though there is no 4k content? Or is it better to pick a FullHD TV in the same price range, will the image quality be better?
I see a lot of talk about input lag here, is this an issue when you're just casually gaming?
Rbk_3
Member
http://www.vizio.com/tvs/pseries.html
New Vizio P-Series released.
High Dynamic Range with Dolby Vision, 128 dimming zones, 6" Android Remote.
US Prices
75" $3,799
65" $1,999
55" $1,299
50" $999
New Vizio P-Series released.
High Dynamic Range with Dolby Vision, 128 dimming zones, 6" Android Remote.
US Prices
75" $3,799
65" $1,999
55" $1,299
50" $999
TheSpecialOne
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I went down to bestbuy to check out the new 4k LG Oled tv, that tv is the truth. It's a shame that the input response is so poor. 50-60ish ms if I remember correct and that's really not acceptable for gaming. Hopefully, the 2017 model can sort that out.
ChoklitCow
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... and a bonus pic of how my shelves are coming along...
I come to the tv thread, but now I'm intrigued. Are you custom making these? Ikea purchases that you are modding? What?
I'm starting to amass a smaller but similar collection of gaming/nerdy noveltys and am looking for away to store them in a more visually appealing manner. I like this setup.
..Also, this thread makes me miss in my Panny Plasma. I still hate myself for dropping it on my foot.
Haint
Member
That remote is a huge waste of money and resources. They probably could have doubled the number of zones and/or pulled off at least 100% P3 for what that thing's costing them.
I thought the current 2016 model (i.e. the G6) was like 34ms.
9100 is really impressive (being only fullhd and all).
Watched an episode of better call saul on my old tv and then tried it on the new one because I remembered the episode opened with a black and white scene.
Different worlds, shit looked like 8k or something compared to the old set. And when the colors came in: holy shit, can't really describe it but colors looked so... colorful I guess. Don't know if it has something to do with 10 bit content because I honestly don't know if BCS is shot that way, but the picture was incredible.
For the record, I've calibrated the set so it's not like I have shitty dynamic mode enabled or something, colors look just awesome. And blacks even better.
Very nice lineup by Vizio. More zones and Dolby Vision at a pretty good price. Dumping the touch remote and fewer zones will probably be the new M series.
Kelegacy
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Once you go OLED you can't go back. So if you ever want to enjoy an LCD again, don't buy an OLED now.
The 1080p OLED will still make 4k LCD look worse.
Agreed. I will never use a TV's app crap. I hope they release some SKUs that dont have that damn remote.
mmazurkiewicz
Member
It is. Who knows what models he saw.
The #s he quoted are what last years models got.
Aztechnology
Member
Looks like the new M Series will also include the tablet remote but lacks the Ultra Color Spectrum that Vizio lists on the P Series.
http//www.vizio.com/m-series
http//www.vizio.com/m-series
Jigolo
Member
Those TVs looks great and Vizio always has the best prices. Glad this is a feature they decided to highlight, it bodes well for it's gaming performance (even if it's the last feature they show off lol)
What's the tier order for Vizio TVs now?
R
P
M
D
E
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Good catch looks like they're refreshing their better line up. Great time too, for those BF shoppers the prices should be even better.
What's the tier order for Vizio TVs now?
R
P
M
D
E
?
Good catch looks like they're refreshing their better line up. Great time too, for those BF shoppers the prices should be even better.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Thanks for the feedback. I always seem to flock to the 9100 like a moth to a light whenever I am in Best Buy.
Once you go OLED you can't go back. So if you ever want to enjoy an LCD again, don't buy an OLED now.
The 1080p OLED will still make 4k LCD look worse.
Yeah, I find myself leaning heavily towards it. I did see the new Ratchet and Clank demo running on the 55" Sony 810c 4K and it looks so damned impressive. I mean, it looked native, which I am usually sensitive to upscaling, but since it is an even upscale, it is harder to discern compared to 720p to 1080p?
Which made me consider it for just under $1K. Now I do not believe it has wide color gamut which I read is what you want in a 4K, but it will be mainly for gaming, so I assume that is not needed for it, since it is mostly for HDR movie content?
Is there a Youtube video showing this as I've wondered how this works since last year. Is it 4k 120 fps, because we are a long way away from video cards doing that. Or is it 1080p 120fps then TV upscales it to 4k. At that point I think I'd just rather have native 1080p 120fps with no upscale.
Aztechnology
Member
1080@120hz upscaled, the upscaling is great on most 4k sets though. The TV has to upscale since it wouldn't display it otherwise. 4k is at 60hz. Display Port 1.3 might be able to do 4k@120hz but we haven't heard much more about it at this point.
Hmm, yea I know upscaling is good. But I still notice it. Dark scenes you see a lot of the TV getting confused and also high contrast scenes.
Which makes me torn because I just don't like upscaling to that degree. 720 to 1080 I don't mind mind because its a small jump. But as we all know 1080 to 4k is just a giant jump, that's a lot of pixels to draw. But Alas soon enough Pascal will be out and I'll be playing at 4k