Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen

DeepEnigma said:
I would have to agree there. Ever since I got a decent IPS gaming monitor, I would never go back to VA again (poor viewing angles eats at me more than a minor bleed or little less on the black levels). OLED or bust at that point.

And if you keep soft ambient lighting red or blue lighting behind you, it does not stick out like they used to with quality IPS panels.

It may eat at some people, but to me, it still looks fantastic.

Next step is an OLED TV, but I am torn if I should get a 50-55" Sony IPS in the $800-$1K range, or wait on another SlickDeals $1300 for the EG9100 whenever that will be. I want the set before Uncharted 4 hits, and I have a backlog I do not want to play on my 27" 1080p IPS monitor, because I want to experience them on a 50"+ screen. Especially Alien: Isolation, (which is making me lean towards the OLED for obvious 'infinite blacks' reasoning, lol).
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I don't know, man. I have a newer Dell 1440p IPS monitor and the blacks are gray in a dark room. IPS is wasted on a computer monitor where viewing angle is a total non-issue and it's single-viewer, IMO.

I would never buy an IPS TV.
 
ApharmdX said:
I don't know, man. I have a newer Dell 1440p IPS monitor and the blacks are gray in a dark room. IPS is wasted on a computer monitor where viewing angle is a total non-issue and it's single-viewer, IMO.

I would never buy an IPS TV.
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This is my concern with the new 55" Vizio P Series. I'm 75% sure I will return my 55" VA Sony 810c and pick up 55" Vizio, but I definitely have concern because the 55" is the only one of the P Series with an IPS instead of VA.
 
hmm the X850D dos look like it would make a good screen for gaming and video/ photo editing work tho perhaps not much else just looking at some of the stock images , wasint aware you could get IPs panels at that size in an affordable range granted it is just a screen and not a tv ?


unrelated note now im just a bit confused - was going to wait a wili till i get an oled based on in input lag but looking at some of content below reading taken from that first review might be false ? thats the tv i currently have - if the input lag is the same i might as well look for a tv now

"Input lag 0-10ms in [Game Mode]"

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/sony-kdl40z4500-20081124136.htm

http://www.videogameperfection.com/2013/06/04/lag-tester-review/

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=43846&start=120
 
Might buy a Sony X-93 55 Inch:

kd-55x9305c.jpg


http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd55x9305c-201506224127.htm

Anyone can give an insight if this would be a good buy? Lag is at 36ms, which might be a bit higher then other Sony models, but seeing it has a great screen + hifi audio combined makes me want to pull the trigger.
 
TheWraith said:
Might buy a Sony X-93 55 Inch:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd55x9305c-201506224127.htm

Anyone can give an insight if this would be a good buy? Lag is at 36ms, which might be a bit higher then other Sony models, but seeing it has a great screen + hifi audio combined makes me want to pull the trigger.
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I didn't even know they made that in a 55" model! Wish they had them here in the US. Pretty much exactly what I want, but I think we only have the 65" and 75" 930C here.
 
ApharmdX said:
I don't know, man. I have a newer Dell 1440p IPS monitor and the blacks are gray in a dark room. IPS is wasted on a computer monitor where viewing angle is a total non-issue and it's single-viewer, IMO.

I would never buy an IPS TV.
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The AOC I have is not really grey at all, has nice black levels (meaning less black crush and more even dark tones) a little better than my Dell PVA panel.

But as others have said, not all are created equal. The Sony IPS seemed to have better contrast than the LG ones when I was in Best Buy. I did not even realize they were an IPS until rtings.com told me, lol.

Either way, I am more than likely settling on the LG EG9100 when another SlickDeal wave comes through.
 
Can anyone tell me how crucial Dolby Vision support is?

I'm looking to buy a TV in the next couple weeks and I have my eyes on the Samsung KS9000 or the 2016 Vizio P series.

Parts of the Vizio intrigue me a lot, but I don't like the tablet remote and the lack of apps and tuner on the TV. However it has Dolby Vision support and the Samsung's don't. I worry that DV is going to become the standard and my HDR Samsung TV won't really have much HDR content. Netflix is already starting to roll out HDR content but it uses DV. So I'm guessing that means I can't play that in HDR on the Samsung?

I might be interpreting all of this incorrectly, but I wanted to clarify before I make a decision.
 
Aesthet1c said:
Can anyone tell me how crucial Dolby Vision support is?

I'm looking to buy a TV in the next couple weeks and I have my eyes on the Samsung KS9000 or the 2016 Vizio P series.

Parts of the Vizio intrigue me a lot, but I don't like the tablet remote and the lack of apps and tuner on the TV. However it has Dolby Vision support and the Samsung's don't. I worry that DV is going to become the standard and my HDR Samsung TV won't really have much HDR content. Netflix is already starting to roll out HDR content but it uses DV. So I'm guessing that means I can't play that in HDR on the Samsung?

I might be interpreting all of this incorrectly, but I wanted to clarify before I make a decision.
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KS9000 vs P: Hard to say since the Samsung isn't out yet and the P is out just now. On paper the Vizio looks to be better due to FALD and DV support.

Netflix and Amazon will support both Dolby Vision and HDR. It remains to be seen how much of an improvement DV will be over HDR10.
 
Aesthet1c said:
Can anyone tell me how crucial Dolby Vision support is?

I'm looking to buy a TV in the next couple weeks and I have my eyes on the Samsung KS9000 or the 2016 Vizio P series.

Parts of the Vizio intrigue me a lot, but I don't like the tablet remote and the lack of apps and tuner on the TV. However it has Dolby Vision support and the Samsung's don't. I worry that DV is going to become the standard and my HDR Samsung TV won't really have much HDR content. Netflix is already starting to roll out HDR content but it uses DV. So I'm guessing that means I can't play that in HDR on the Samsung?

I might be interpreting all of this incorrectly, but I wanted to clarify before I make a decision.
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Neither will be the standard. The standard will be Ultra HD Premium and no TV coming out in '16 will come close to reaching that standard. Buying a 4k tv now will be outclassed and outdated in about 2 years when tv's start meeting rec. 2020 and the rest of the UHD Premium standard. Right now is still a very early time to dip into 4k as the benchmark has been set, but tech still has to meet it on a mass-consumer level. Yeah, all the 4k tv's look great and wider color gamut looks cool (even if there is hardly any content for it), but it'll be even better when the tech meets (and exceeds) the standards.

4k sets now are like the 720p sets that came out at the advent of hi-def. Sure they looked better than the 480i sets out there, but they still had a long way to go to the 1080p rec 709 (and then some) that the tech fully matured into.

But if you are really torn between the Vizio and Samsung, get the Samsung.
 
queequegs__coffin said:
Neither will be the standard. The standard will be Ultra HD Premium and no TV coming out in '16 will come close to reaching that standard. Buying a 4k tv now will be outclassed and outdated in about 2 years when tv's start meeting rec. 2020 and the rest of the UHD Premium standard. Right now is still a very early time to dip into 4k as the benchmark has been set, but tech still has to meet it on a mass-consumer level. Yeah, all the 4k tv's look great and wider color gamut looks cool (even if there is hardly any content for it), but it'll be even better when the tech meets (and exceeds) the standards.

4k sets now are like the 720p sets that came out at the advent of hi-def. Sure they looked better than the 480i sets out there, but they still had a long way to go to the 1080p rec 709 (and then some) that the tech fully matured into.

But if you are really torn between the Vizio and Samsung, get the Samsung.
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This isn't going to change. Buy a TV now if you need a TV.
 
queequegs__coffin said:
Neither will be the standard. The standard will be Ultra HD Premium and no TV coming out in '16 will come close to reaching that standard.
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All 2016 Samsung SUHD sets are Ultra HD Premium certified, and use HDR10, not Dolby Vision. Ultra HD Premium isn't an HDR format like DV and HDR10. It's a set of standards that must be met to get the Premium certification:


  • Image resolution must be 3840×2160 pixels
  • Color bit depth must be at least 10-bit.
  • Color reproduction must be able to handle the BT.2020 color and map it to the capabilities of the display. That gamut must display more than 90% of the P3 color standard.
  • High Dynamic Range playback must support the SMPTE ST.2084 EOTF (electrical optical transfer function – the way a set translates digital code into visible light) and achieve one of two combinations of peak brightness and black level depth.
  • Either more than 1,000 nits peak brightness and less than 0.05 nits black level (intend for LED LCD TVS), or more than 540 nits peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level (intended for OLED TVs)

Source.
 
Thanks for the input guys. I'm moving into a new house and in need of a new TV, so I can't really wait right now. I think I'm going to go with the Samsung assuming it looks better in person once both start showing up in stores.
 
Hero_of_the_Day said:
All 2016 Samsung SUHD sets are Ultra HD Premium certified, and use HDR10, not Dolby Vision. Ultra HD Premium isn't an HDR format like DV and HDR10. It's a set of standards that must be met to get the Premium certification:


  • Image resolution must be 3840×2160 pixels
  • Color bit depth must be at least 10-bit.
  • Color reproduction must be able to handle the BT.2020 color and map it to the capabilities of the display. That gamut must display more than 90% of the P3 color standard.
  • High Dynamic Range playback must support the SMPTE ST.2084 EOTF (electrical optical transfer function – the way a set translates digital code into visible light) and achieve one of two combinations of peak brightness and black level depth.
  • Either more than 1,000 nits peak brightness and less than 0.05 nits black level (intend for LED LCD TVS), or more than 540 nits peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level (intended for OLED TVs)

Source.
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Show me the 3rd party reviews who can verify this with consumer models and I'll believe it. There has been no sets measured with instrumentation that can verfiy this claim. Maaaaybe an OLED set. I doubt there will be this year. But you can quote me later when the flagship sets ship and I'll happily eat my words.
 
queequegs__coffin said:
Show me the 3rd party reviews who can verify this with consumer models and I'll believe it. There has been no sets measured with instrumentation that can verfiy this claim. Maaaaybe an OLED set. I doubt there will be this year. But you can quote me later when the flagship sets ship and I'll happily eat my words.
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Yeah, we'll see. I might have gotten a little crazy a couple of days ago and ordered a KS9000 from Samsung...

I'm loving my JS8500 I got a couple of weeks ago, but it has a small scratch in the screen and Amazon is seemingly not getting any more in stock for me to exchange it. So, I'm just going to wait until the last minute and return it and hope the KS9000 from Samsung has arrived.
 
Hero_of_the_Day said:
Yeah, we'll see. I might have gotten a little crazy a couple of days ago and ordered a KS9000 from Samsung...

I'm loving my JS8500 I got a couple of weeks ago, but it has a small scratch in the screen and Amazon is seemingly not getting any more in stock for me to exchange it. So, I'm just going to wait until the last minute and return it and hope the KS9000 from Samsung has arrived.
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That's a bummer about the screen. I recently bought a set from Amazon and noticed a small cosmetic scratch (on chassis) and they gave me a 15% partial refund in lieu of me returning it, which I happily accepted.

Gotta love Amazon customer service!
 
hitgirl said:
I just want a really, really nice 34-40" 1080p TV any recommendations?
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You can probably scoop up some really good deals from 2015 1080p sets. Stores are keen to clear out their inventory this time of year and will generally haggle with you. If you aren't averse to open-box sets, check out Amazon Warehouse for even better deals.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/40-42-43-inch/best

Rtings.com has thorough reviews. The final score is helpful, but might consider features that may not be relevant to your needs, so take them with a grain of salt.
 
queequegs__coffin said:
That's a bummer about the screen. I recently bought a set from Amazon and noticed a small cosmetic scratch (on chassis) and they gave me a 15% partial refund in lieu of me returning it, which I happily accepted.

Gotta love Amazon customer service!
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Yeah. It's only noticeable if the screen is black in that spot. It actually looks like a bit of dead pixels 'cause it is a perfect line. But, when I really looked I discovered it was actual physical damage. They told me I have until April 8th to return it, so I could either just return it or wait and see if they had another in stock by then to exchange.

They also offered me a 15% refund, which I thought about taking. We watched House of Cards and it didn't bother me at all 'cause the scratch is to the side and HoC keeps most of the action in the center of the shot. But, then I watched Daredevil last weekend and it is a darker show, and has more shots where everything isn't just dead center. And that made me immediately decide it had to be replaced.

I'm hoping the new TV arrives by then. Samsung's site says it'll ship in 7-10 days, but I don't know if that's a real estimate or just numbers they put in when they don't have a fucking clue when something will actually be ready to ship.
 
queequegs__coffin said:
You can probably scoop up some really good deals from 2015 1080p sets. Stores are keen to clear out their inventory this time of year and will generally haggle with you. If you aren't averse to open-box sets, check out Amazon Warehouse for even better deals.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/40-42-43-inch/best

Rtings.com has thorough reviews. The final score is helpful, but might consider features that may not be relevant to your needs, so take them with a grain of salt.
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I can't remember what's the best 1080p tv of 2015 in that price range.. All the 2016 1080ps seem real bad, the Sonys got even worse with higher input lags.
 
Obviously the lower the better for input lag but what should I be really aiming for as a maximum? I read that the X8005C is 37.5ms. How does that fair?

I'm tempted just to buy my dad's W905A...
 
cjp said:
Obviously the lower the better for input lag but what should I be really aiming for as a maximum? I read that the X8005C is 37.5ms. How does that fair?

I'm tempted just to buy my dad's W905A...
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I would stay below 40ms with a good response time in the 15ms or less range on LED.
 
I'm so in on the P-Series Vizio, 65'

Have a M70 that just so happens has a 90day return window at Costco that closes next Thursday.

Clutch timing, Vizio.
 
Is Panasonic still making the highest quality tv's around? I know they dropped out of the plasma gig, but they have always had not only the best image quality, but also the most reliable sets. Sony and Samsung have always been a distant second in that category. I have a GT50 plasma that I love, but I would be interested in purchasing an OLED set from them eventually.
 
Dr_Biscuit said:
Panasonic DX900.
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Wow. I mean wow.

I humbly prostrate myself and beseech you to remove my foot from my mouth.

Let it be known in this land and all neighboring lands that I, queeques__coffin, has spoken thusly of an ass. Any words I say should be ignored forthwith and any claims to truth I have made here or elsewhere should be regarded as heresy.

I shall hereby renounce the airs of intelligence (nay, I never had any) and will presume the mobed rank of nil and slither unto the depths of YouTube comments from whence I came.
 
Aesthet1c said:
Thanks for the input guys. I'm moving into a new house and in need of a new TV, so I can't really wait right now. I think I'm going to go with the Samsung assuming it looks better in person once both start showing up in stores.
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Here's the first review of the KS9500. It's the curved version of the KS9000.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...-tv-review-blinded-by-the-light/#23a2ddef433d

Probably the first of many reviews that will point out the issues of an edge-lit LCD trying to do 1,000 nits for HDR.


And another review and it includes measurements.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue55ks9000-201603244256.htm

Samsung TVs ruled the gaming responsiveness roost in 2015, and the company’s dominance in this area looks set to continue in 2016. In [Game] mode, the 55in KS9000 posted a super-low input lag number of 21ms (measured using a Leo Bodnar tester).
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First, we checked peak brightness by using a Murideo Fresco Six-G device to inject HDR metadata and trigger HDR mode on the TV. On a windowed pattern (sized similarly to the ones used by the UHD Alliance for Premium certification award), the 55KS9000 swiftly hit a peak of 1480 cd/m2, then stabilised at around 1460 cd/m2. After 15 seconds, the luminance plunged rapidly before settling at a sustained baseline of 520 cd/m2.
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That’s UHD Premium-fulfilling peak brightness ticked off then. Again, using the parameter specified by the Ultra HD Alliance (UHDA), we determined that our UE55KS9000T sample (with [Colour Space] set to “Native” and greyscale calibrated to D65) reached 96% of the DCI-P3 gamut:
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Nevertheless, there’s one compelling reason to add bias lighting to the Samsung UE55KS9000 for watching high dynamic range content, and that’s to mitigate the brighter letterbox bars caused by the demanding backlight requirements of HDR. The 55KS9000′s bottom edge LED arrangement means that it’s unable to independently darken an entire stripe horizontally, so the top and bottom letterbox bars in 2.35:1 movies won’t look totally jet black in a dark environment.
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Is there any rough estimate on how much the LG E6 55" will cost? Thinking whether I should just stop waiting and go with the EG9100 instead.
 
So Samsung's new TV got reviewed on hdtvtest.CO.uk

Looks excellent again this year. 21ms lag in game mode but to get 4:4:4 chroma you'll need it in PC mode which bumps it back up to 37ms (unless I'm misunderstanding). I wish TVs would just enable 4:4:4 in game mode
 
Jigolo said:
21ms lag in game mode but to get 4:4:4 chroma you'll need it in PC mode which bumps it back up to 37ms (unless I'm misunderstanding). I wish TVs would just enable 4:4:4 in game mode
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That would just mean that game mode would have 37ms lag. The extra overhead takes it's toll. Personally, I don't find 4:4:4 to be a requirement for actual gaming anyway. It's nice when you are trying to use the TV as a monitor for text and whatnot but in-game I don't see much of a difference. Not enough for the increased lag, anyway.
 
Totakeke said:
Is there any rough estimate on how much the LG E6 55" will cost? Thinking whether I should just stop waiting and go with the EG9100 instead.
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Eg9100 is an amazing set. Best possible picture for 1080p sources and low enough input lag. 3d like picture and lifelike colours. I'm set for a few years, I think, given that Ps4 and Nx (probably) still are 1080p.
 
Bill Rizer said:
Eg9100 is an amazing set. Best possible picture for 1080p sources and low enough input lag. 3d like picture and lifelike colours. I'm set for a few years, I think, given that Ps4 and Nx (probably) still are 1080p.
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But that PS4K doe!

Kidding, I am taking the plunge on this set as well with another SlickDeals pops up.
 
Dr. Zoidberg said:
That would just mean that game mode would have 37ms lag. The extra overhead takes it's toll. Personally, I don't find 4:4:4 to be a requirement for actual gaming anyway. It's nice when you are trying to use the TV as a monitor for text and whatnot but in-game I don't see much of a difference. Not enough for the increased lag, anyway.
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I agree it's definitely not worth the hit the TV takes in input lag. 4:4:4 chroma for slightly better IQ is good though. If it's not 4:4:4 do you think most TVs are doing 4:2:2 in game mode?
 
Jigolo said:
I agree it's definitely not worth the hit the TV takes in input lag. 4:4:4 chroma for slightly better IQ is good though. If it's not 4:4:4 do you think most TVs are doing 4:2:2 in game mode?
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Probably, but it depends on brand. Sony's latest TVs for example are 4:4:4 in Game mode, but the lag is also higher by default (~35 ms). It's not clear to me from RTING's reviews if the Vizio's game mode on HDMI 5 is using 4:4:4 or not. The lag is very low at 14-20ms. If that is at 4:4:4 it's impressive indeed, but they don't say.
 
Dang it, I had in my head I was going to buy an LG OLED TV. But then I saw how big an 55 inch monitpor vs a 70 inch Vizio M series for about the same price. I'm wondering if this is going to come down to inches vs OLED for me? I'm starting to look at that Samsung 8500 and just go ahead and kick the rocks and going get a 65 inch of it and meet it halfway. But then I know I'm going to have some kind of regret about not getting that OLED TV. But I'm not about to pay 5 to 6K for a 65 inch TV.
 
Bill Rizer said:
Eg9100 is an amazing set. Best possible picture for 1080p sources and low enough input lag. 3d like picture and lifelike colours. I'm set for a few years, I think, given that Ps4 and Nx (probably) still are 1080p.
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DeepEnigma said:
But that PS4K doe!

Kidding, I am taking the plunge on this set as well with another SlickDeals pops up.
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Okay, fine, I just ordered the EG9100.

Microcenter still has it for $1500 for in-store pickup but you can order it online using the coupon code someone posted on slickdeals.
http://slickdeals.net/f/8567314-oled-deals-microcenter-in-store?src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBarV1
 
Recently picked up a pair of Audioengine A5+ speakers and paired them with my Vizio M60. Pretty happy with everything so far.
 
Samurai G0SU said:
Is it true that there are TV sales in July?

Eyeballing the Sony 850C, but if prices go down on others, i might look at a higher end.
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That's a 2015 model, no? You'd be lucky to still see that for sale in July unless it's by a 3rd party vendor jacking up the price. 2015 models are probably at their lowest now, or getting quite close.
 
queequegs__coffin said:
That's a 2015 model, no? You'd be lucky to still see that for sale in July unless it's by a 3rd party vendor jacking up the price. 2015 models are probably at their lowest now, or getting quite close.
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Yeah, I originally wanted the Sony 800b for lower input lag, however they have them jacked up higher than the 2015 model 800c now. So I will pass, lol. Just going to focus on a timing for the EG9100 deals I missed out on a couple of weeks ago.
 
I need help with getting a new TV for gaming.

- ~40" , 1080p I don't care about 4k as of now.

- LED/OLED NOT LCD

- has to have low latency/lag (suited for gaming)

- I prefer Sony or Samsung over LG, Vizio

- ~ $1000 or less

Bolded is really important. Thank you all in advance.
 
Aceofspades said:
I need help with getting a new TV for gaming.

- ~40" , 1080p I don't care about 4k as of now.

- LED/OLED NOT LCD

- has to have low latency/lag (suited for gaming)

- I prefer Sony or Samsung over LG, Vizio

- ~ $1000 or less

Bolded is really important. Thank you all in advance.
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If you can go a bigger... this is a great price for what you get. Probably best bang for the buck in 1080p as far as price, size, picture quality.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-50...lack/2698027.p?id=1219555371471&skuId=2698027

More expensive... 4K, but good TV in your size.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...lver/4687001.p?id=1219637477260&skuId=4687001

Beautiful picture and tiny pixel density in this 43" 4K. IPS panel for good angles as well.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-43...lack/2698105.p?id=1219555371949&skuId=2698105

All mid 30ms or less input lag.
 
Aceofspades said:
I need help with getting a new TV for gaming.

- ~40" , 1080p I don't care about 4k as of now.

- LED/OLED NOT LCD

- has to have low latency/lag (suited for gaming)

- I prefer Sony or Samsung over LG, Vizio

- ~ $1000 or less

Bolded is really important. Thank you all in advance.
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You probably already know this but Led is the same thing as lcd.
 
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