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Dr. Zoidberg said:
Most of the input lag testing during these reviews is done at 1080p. The Leo Bodnar tester that most of these sites use is also limited to 1080p. It's unclear whether native output at 4K would have an impact on lag. On the one hand, the TV is receiving and processing more information, so the lag might be higher. On the other hand, the TV is no longer having to upscale everything to 4K so it might be the same or lower. Hopefully Leo Bodnar will release a 4K model soon, as the other methods of measuring lag aren't as precise.
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My TV has roughly 1~2 frames less input lag when it's fed a 3840*2160 input versus a 1920*1080 input. **Measured like a cavemen by playing a video on two screens, recording that and frame-stepping through the recording.
 
MrJames said:
Should have gotten the EF9500 over the EG9600. The 9500 is flat and supports HDMI 2.0a so you can watch HDR Blu-ray.
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I don't mind the curvature and there's more than a good chance that it's the UB model which has 2.0a.

Edit: instead of taking the gamble on not getting the UB model I went ahead and cancelled the 9600 and got the 9500. It'll be here a few days later but I can wait. Thanks for the help.
 
Bill Rizer said:
Ok, I'm done with plasma tech for ever. I just sold my 55vt60 in anticipation of my future 4k Oled purchase.

I never liked that tv, honestly. While I had a previous generation 42" ut50 which I liked, the big vt60 was a let down to me. Black level was just a bit (slightly!) deeper but in practical use didn't make a difference (we're still speaking of a shade of grey, actually). The larger screen made dfc and posterization unbearable on games, with a very rough picture. Motion was bad to my eyes, with the picture going to look as a bad 16-colors gif when not still. I also found the filter-less screen on the ut50 to give a more brilliant and lively picture in a dimly lit or dark environment. Finally, vt60 had the habit to develop image retention in almost no time, making playing games a nightmare.

All in all, plasma was not that holy grail it's often said to be, at least for gamers and unless you watch your screen from far away (not my case).
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How much did you sell your VT60 for? Also, if you thought motion was bad on the VT, I'm not sure what you think is good.
 
Stealthcobra said:
sony bravia xbr49x830c 49 4k, any good?
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I have one here in France. It's a KDL49x8309c. It's pretty great and one of the best IPS panels I have ever seen, but it doesn't compare with a well in-axis VA panel like the 85c. I would say if you have a family, or just don't use the TV alone, go for it. I don't know what are the differences with your American model, though.

Mine is the 8309c, it has 1000hz motion flow for example, so maybe not the same panel, and some little other things over the 8305c and 8300c. It doesn't support HDR natively (but accept an HDR signal), it has Chroma subsampling 4:4:4 at every res, but isn't a triluminos display and is a really decent TV overall.

But it is an IPS panel. Like the 850D. Remember this. Go for it if you prefer IPS to VA. If not, I don't recommend that TV at all. Me? I prefer IPS to VA for various reasons.
 
undercoverb0ss said:
How much did you sell your VT60 for? Also, if you thought motion was bad on the VT, I'm not sure what you think is good.
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I think this is literally the first time I have ever heard someone complain about motion on a plasma, much less a VT60.

The last few generations of Panasonic plasmas did have some nasty image retention problems though, so I'll give him that point.
 
Slightly off topic....

I need a tv for my non-gamer sister and her fiancé as a wedding gift. I'm looking at 60".

They're not videophiles, or gamers, and he's just going to be watching sports on it. Any recommendations? I've never bought a TV for anything other than gaming before and I'm not looking to break the bank. He'll probably be happy with anything but I don't want to get a complete piece of junk.

I usually choose my set by looking at input lag, but now that's not a factor so.... what do people suggest?
 
Cloggerdude said:
I think this is literally the first time I have ever heard someone complain about motion on a plasma, much less a VT60.

The last few generations of Panasonic plasmas did have some nasty image retention problems though, so I'll give him that point.
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Motion on the VT60/65 was superb at 60hz, good at 50hz, but at 24hz the amount of DFC was unbearable. Contouring was a major issue on Panasonic plasmas at 24hz and noted in the reviews too.

Can't wait until BFI comes to OLED TVs though, hopefully next year.
 
Stealthcobra said:
sony bravia xbr49x830c 49 4k, any good?
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Alej said:
I have one here in France. It's a KDL49x8309c. It's pretty great and one of the best IPS panels I have ever seen, but it doesn't compare with a well in-axis VA panel like the 85c. I would say if you have a family, or just don't use the TV alone, go for it. I don't know what are the differences with your American model, though.

Mine is the 8309c, it has 1000hz motion flow for example, so maybe not the same panel, and some little other things over the 8305c and 8300c. It doesn't support HDR natively (but accept an HDR signal), it has Chroma subsampling 4:4:4 at every res, but isn't a triluminos display and is a really decent TV overall.

But it is an IPS panel. Like the 850D. Remember this. Go for it if you prefer IPS to VA. If not, I don't recommend that TV at all. Me? I prefer IPS to VA for various reasons.
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Same set as the US. I picked this set up about 2 weeks ago. Very good set for the money. I also lucked out and got one for $600 instead of the $900 they are now. The PS4 scaling is perfect, and no noticeable input lag at all.

Once you see 4K video, it is hard to go back, lol. It scales 1080p video perfectly as well. Based X1 scaler!
 
Cloggerdude said:
I think this is literally the first time I have ever heard someone complain about motion on a plasma, much less a VT60.

The last few generations of Panasonic plasmas did have some nasty image retention problems though, so I'll give him that point.
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I know, I own a VT60 and the motion is one of its universally recognized strengths. OLED motion doesn't hold a candle to it currently, but to each their own.
 
DeepEnigma said:
Same set as the US. I picked this set up about 2 weeks ago. Very good set for the money. I also lucked out and got one for $600 instead of the $900 they are now, but even then it is a fantastic picture. The PS4 scaling is perfect, and no noticeable input lag at all.

Once you see 4K video, it is hard to go back, lol. It scales 1080p video perfectly as well.
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Same opinion as you. For that price it's really wonderful. I paid 1100€ for it six months ago, though. On the cheapest retailer. Are TVs cheaper in the US than in EU?
 
Alej said:
Same opinion as you. For that price it's really wonderful. I paid 1100€ for it six months ago, though. On the cheapest retailer. Are TVs cheaper in the US than in EU?
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I think generally they are cheaper. Plus you have the difference in the way tax is handled.

Also with all of these new models you've seen a ton of price fluxuation as places can only hold so much inventory. So there have been some good deals on sets that were expensive now being comparatively cheap.
 
ukas said:
I bit the bullet and got the 65". TVs tend to last me a long time so I consider it a good investment.
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Umm, sorry I didn't see this until now, last I remember the 9600 doesn't have 2.0 HDMI. That's kind of a big deal. If look into it, and check your return policy.

And just saw your other post, glad you changed in time!
 
ukas said:
I don't mind the curvature and there's more than a good chance that it's the UB model which has 2.0a.

Edit: instead of taking the gamble on not getting the UB model I went ahead and cancelled the 9600 and got the 9500. It'll be here a few days later but I can wait. Thanks for the help.
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J-Rzez said:
Umm, sorry I didn't see this until now, last I remember the 9600 doesn't have 2.0 HDMI. That's kind of a big deal. If look into it, and check your return policy.

And just saw your other post, glad you changed in time!
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I did not know that the 9600 did not have 2.0a. Is it a 2015 model they have yet to update with firmware? I know a lot of TV makers who had 2.0, updated the firmware to the 2.0a spec.
 
DeepEnigma said:
I did not know that the 9600 did not have 2.0a. Is it a 2015 model they have yet to update with firmware? I know a lot of TV makers who had 2.0, updated the firmware to the 2.0a spec.
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The 9600 came out in March 2015 but didn't have some necessary hardware needed for 2.0a. The 9500 came out later in August. Haven't been keeping track of the 9600 so I wasn't aware of the UB models. Seems kind of shitty to do a hardware revision later on unless they gave free exchanges to the early adopters. The 9600 launched at $9,000 for the 65".

Looks like there might be a sale starting on the 2016 C6 and E6. A few places are marking them down by $1,000. I'm so ready for a 65" E6.
 
MrJames said:
The 9600 came out in March 2015 but didn't have some necessary hardware needed for 2.0a. The 9500 came out later in August. Haven't been keeping track of the 9600 so I wasn't aware of the UB models. Seems kind of shitty to do a hardware revision later on unless they gave free exchanges to the early adopters. The 9600 launched at $9,000 for the 65".

Looks like there might be a sale starting on the 2016 C6 and E6. A few places are marking them down by $1,000. I'm so ready for a 65" E6.
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So I assume they changed how they name their model line with these?
 
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks9500

Looking like a great year for TVs.

Vizio P, Samsung KS9500, G6 reviews already out there.

I expect the KS9800 and other OLED models to be good too.

AVforums also reviewed both UHD BD players and both got great reviews. Unfortunately neither had Dolby Vision.

Expectations for next year are >100% DCI-P3, Dolby vision + HDR10 standard on all TVs, and UHD players with Dolby vision. Hopefully gray uniformity improves too.
 
DeepEnigma said:
So I assume they changed how they name their model line with these?
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The specs in the owners manual was updated on 2/18 and now lists the original as a 9600-UA model and then there is a second listing for the 9600-UB.No mention of HDR but the power specs are lower. Rtings says the UB model supports 2.0a.

At this point he might want to cancel the 9500 order as well. The C6 just came down $1,000 so its the same price as the 2015 models unless he got a deal.
 
MrJames said:
The specs in the owners manual was updated on 2/18 and now lists the original as a 9600-UA model and then there is a second listing for the 9600-UB.No mention of HDR but the power specs are lower. Rtings says the UB model supports 2.0a.

At this point he might want to cancel the 9500 order as well. The C6 just came down $1,000 so its the same price as the 2015 models unless he got a deal.
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Gotcha. So the C6 would be the 2016 replacement (new model naming?) for the 9500 or 9600?
 
Weapon of War said:
I've read through all the impressions of LG's 55eg9100 and Vizio's P-series (looking at the P55) and am on the fence. My main use for the TV would be to play PS4 games and watch the occasional movie. The assumption is that when the inevitable periodic price reduction of the 9100 hits $1299, as it has in the past, the two displays are at price parity.

My concern about the 9100 is that I may miss out on 4k content in the future. Maybe latency too? My main concern about the P55 is that the picture quality won't match that of the 9100.

Any suggestions?
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Depends on how long you want the Tv to last
 
DeepEnigma said:
Gotcha. So the C6 would be the 2016 replacement (new model naming?) for the 9500 or 9600?
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Yes, C6 is curved so it replaces the 9600. The 9500 is flat as is the B6 but no 3D. If you want flat and 3D you need to step up to the E6.

It also still remains to be seen if there are any performance differences between the 2016 models. LG has stated since CES that they were the same but at the OLED launch event in the UK a few weeks ago, a rep stated that there were some differences regarding peak brightness. We need some technical reviews of the E6 and C6 to confirm. David Mackenzie should be at VE the week of 4/25 to look at both so we should know something then.
 
MrJames said:
Yes, C6 is curved so it replaces the 9600. The 9500 is flat as is the B6 but no 3D. If you want flat and 3D you need to step up to the E6.

It also still remains to be seen if there are any performance differences between the 2016 models. LG has stated since CES that they were the same but at the OLED launch event in the UK a few weeks ago, a rep stated that there were some differences regarding peak brightness. We need some technical reviews of the E6 and C6 to confirm. David Mackenzie should be at VE the week of 4/25 to look at both so we should know something then.
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Thanks for the info. Was very helpful. I will keep my eyes peeled moving forward.
 
Jigolo said:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks9500

Looking like a great year for TVs.

Vizio P, Samsung KS9500, G6 reviews already out there.

I expect the KS9800 and other OLED models to be good too.

AVforums also reviewed both UHD BD players and both got great reviews. Unfortunately neither had Dolby Vision.

Expectations for next year are >100% DCI-P3, Dolby vision + HDR10 standard on all TVs, and UHD players with Dolby vision. Hopefully gray uniformity improves too.
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I can't wait for the >100% DCI-P3 improvements, especially for color/HDR improvements to trickle down to laptop displays and monitors. Really hoping for near 100% DCI-P3 MacBooks this year capable of playing back UHD content. Exciting times.

Hopefully the 2016 sets are firmware updatable to HDMI 2.1.
 
undercoverb0ss said:
How much did you sell your VT60 for? Also, if you thought motion was bad on the VT, I'm not sure what you think is good.
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I sold my 55vt60 for 1000 euros, money going towards an Lg 55c6p when available.

Good motion just isn't there in flat panels tech, I think, we have to go back to Crts to have good motion. I tolerate motion on my 42" Panasonic plasma simply because of its smallish size, but since I like to sit very close to the screen, on a 55" plasma motion was unbearable to me. Kuro was better in this regard but it had an inherently dirty/noisier picture also on still images that didn't couple very well with games. All in all, I prefer oled on every aspect.
 
Apparenly the E6 55" LG OLED is already in stock here, but they have no idea what the deal is with the 65" version. That's too bad.

But I hope that I can see some hands-on experiences during the longer wait.
 
Mr. Wonderful said:
I can't wait for the >100% DCI-P3 improvements, especially for color/HDR improvements to trickle down to laptop displays and monitors. Really hoping for near 100% DCI-P3 MacBooks this year capable of playing back UHD content. Exciting times.

Hopefully the 2016 sets are firmware updatable to HDMI 2.1.
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I would almost be more surprised if the new MacBooks & iPhone 7's don't have DCI-P3, considering the retina iMac & 9.7 iPad Pro both have it. Wonder if they are starting to think about iTunes movies with HDR/WCG for a new Apple TV.
 
gsrjedi said:
I would almost be more surprised if the new MacBooks & iPhone 7's don't have DCI-P3, considering the retina iMac & 9.7 iPad Pro both have it. Wonder if they are starting to think about iTunes movies with HDR/WCG for a new Apple TV.
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At the same time, I would give Apple a >25% chance of going another year without HDR/4K support for iTunes (and me no longer renting movies from iTunes as a result)...

The only reason I would care about iPhones getting HDR/WCG support is that it'll help the adoption of HDR/WCG content on the web.
 
So a store over here has the E6 in stock but I still haven't seen it get an input lag test, and they're asking me if I want it. Not sure about it. The input lag is pretty important to me.
 
I have a Samsung LCD TV from 2006 and it makes a hissing noise when I turn it on and then after having it on for some time when a dark scene would come up. What do y'all think it's causing it?
 
DeepEnigma said:
You got a phenomenal set. And that set will be amazing for quite a long time. Prepare to be wow'ed.
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They just dropped the price of the LG E6 by $1K. Cancelled the EF9500 and ordered the E6. Ugh, hopefully this is the last time. It should be here next Tuesday.
 
ukas said:
They just dropped the price of the LG E6 by $1K. Cancelled the EF9500 and ordered the E6. Ugh, hopefully this is the last time. It should be here next Tuesday.
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Third time is the charm. Congrats. I plan on getting the 65E6 once we get confirmation of input lag and peak brightness figures matching the G6. ABT lists the $1,000 off with an expiration date of 4/30 so I'll need to order by the end of next week.
 
Panasonic DX900 FALD UHD 4K is getting some very favourable reviews. Looks like Panasonic is getting back to their A game. Especially at the price, this set is looking like a very viable alternative in the 4K space. We've yet to see FALD sets from Samsung and Sony.

Only real negative for me is the decent but not amazing input lag @ 38ms

https://www.avforums.com/review/panasonic-dx902-tx-65dx902b-uhd-4k-tv-review.12385
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/tx58dx902b-201604174282.htm
http://www.whathifi.com/panasonic/tx-65dx902b/review
 
Question, if I get a 4k TV, and I want to keep using my PS4, do I need a new receiver too? Will it improve the performance, or PQ?

My currently receiver is a Onkyo from 2009.

I'm not sure if its the receiver that does upscaling (or if it even can, I doubt it) or the TV.
 
Looking for a good 75" TV for my family's living room.

Nothing too fancy, just it should have the basics, a good image quality and without any major flaws.

Budget is between $2000-3000.
 
my 50-inch 4K Vizio M Series has been working like a charm, Fallout 4 looks great on it. I got the TV for about $600. Highly recommend the M series for those people looking for bang for their buck.
 
Yaari said:
Question, if I get a 4k TV, and I want to keep using my PS4, do I need a new receiver too? Will it improve the performance, or PQ?

My currently receiver is a Onkyo from 2009.

I'm not sure if its the receiver that does upscaling (or if it even can, I doubt it) or the TV.
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All TVs have a scaler so no need to upgrade. Most receivers only do video switching without processing the signal.
 
Dominican Power said:
I have a Samsung LCD TV from 2006 and it makes a hissing noise when I turn it on and then after having it on for some time when a dark scene would come up. What do y'all think it's causing it?
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I'm pretty sure it's the CFLs capacitor. Start saving up for a new tv, it's not worth repairing due to cost of the part and repair. You got 10 years out of it and that's a lot longer than most of us got with our CFL sets.
 
This is really tough to decide -

Sony XBR55X850C or Vizio P55-C1 ??

I've had my eye on the Sony, but considering it's phasing out, i'm not sure it will be available by the time i want to purchase a tv in a couple of months.

Can anyone help me with any additional details versus these two?
 
farmerboy said:
Panasonic DX900 FALD UHD 4K is getting some very favourable reviews. Looks like Panasonic is getting back to their A game. Especially at the price, this set is looking like a very viable alternative in the 4K space. We've yet to see FALD sets from Samsung and Sony.

Only real negative for me is the decent but not amazing input lag @ 38ms

https://www.avforums.com/review/panasonic-dx902-tx-65dx902b-uhd-4k-tv-review.12385
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/tx58dx902b-201604174282.htm
http://www.whathifi.com/panasonic/tx-65dx902b/review
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I have that one. It really is a great set! HDR looks fantastic and black level is great. You pay for it with some small problems (as with every set) but I am really fond of it.
 
Samurai G0SU said:
This is really tough to decide -

Sony XBR55X850C or Vizio P55-C1 ??

I've had my eye on the Sony, but considering it's phasing out, i'm not sure it will be available by the time i want to purchase a tv in a couple of months.

Can anyone help me with any additional details versus these two?
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Vizio
 
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