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I have a question which I'll try to explain as good as I can.

To me hdmi doesn't display colours correctly. A lot of people can't notice this or know what I'm on about but I can see the difference between hdmi vs dvi as clear as s-video vs VGA.

I have a pioneer pdp5000ex and run everything via dvi by using a hdmi to dvi converter and use optical to an amp for sound.

My question is this, I will be looking to upgrade to 4K HDR tv but I'm guessing there's none with dvi
I'm worried about getting wrong colours again via hdmi but does the new hdmi with HDR display them correctly? Is there a PC setting so it's true rgb and not ybcr?

I may have got some of the terms wrong but hopefully understands what I'm trying to say and can help me
 
un1que said:
I have a question which I'll try to explain as good as I can.

To me hdmi doesn't display colours correctly. A lot of people can't notice this or know what I'm on about but I can see the difference between hdmi vs dvi as clear as s-video vs VGA.
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Sounds like a calibration and/or settings problem not an HDMI problem.
 
Beer Monkey said:
Sounds like a calibration and/or settings problem not an HDMI problem.
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It isn't. Trust me I've tried everything. Multiple TVs, leads, settings.

HDMI displays ybcr (or whatever it is) like component which looks nice and sharp but you don't get correct colour display like vga/dvi. Especially when upscailing. It's hard to explain.
 
un1que said:
It isn't. Trust me I've tried everything. Multiple TVs, leads, settings.

HDMI displays ybcr (or whatever it is) like component which looks nice and sharp but you don't get correct colour display like vga/dvi. Especially when upscailing. It's hard to explain.
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HDMI can carry YCbCr 4:2:2, YCbCr 4:4:4, or RGB.
 
TLZ said:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag

;)



According to rtings link above, Vizio's have the lowest input lags.
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Unless I'm missing something the input lag ratings on that chart don't account for HDR content...

That's a recent development that sites like Rtings have started looking into. That article was last updated in February, when that wasn't on peoples radars.

You can see in their P65 review that input lag with HDR content is around 60ms.

Input lag on the E6 with HDR is around 50ms.
 
poodpick said:
I'm not 100% sure but I think the 2016 LG oleds have the lowest input lag when displaying HDR content.
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They don't.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/e6#comparison_200

LG E6 OLED said:
Update 08/09/2016: The input lag outside game mode was updated to 50.7ms and the input lag under HDR mode was also verified, and it is also of 50.7ms.
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TLZ said:
According to rtings link above, Vizio's have the lowest input lags.
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Not in HDR mode. Input lag in HDR mode is nearly 3x as high on the P-Series as the KS8000. Read again:

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2016#comparison_200

Vizio P-Series said:
HDR On On 65.2ms
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http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000#comparison_200

Samsung KS8000 said:
When sending and HDR signal under game mode, the input lag is 22.6ms.
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New002 said:
Unless I'm missing something the input lag ratings on that chart don't account for HDR content...

That's a recent development that sites like Rtings have started looking into. That article was last updated in February, when that wasn't on peoples radars.

You can see in their P65 review that input lag with HDR content is around 60ms.

Input lag on the E6 with HDR is around 50ms.
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I've been playing at 50ms input lag on my E6 because Game mode isn't available while using Bluetooth and it doesn't feel worse, so it's a relief that HDR gaming will feel good. I would probably look into getting a different TV otherwise.
 
Gah! If anyone lives near a Video Only store, their Labor Day deals are still good until tomorrow. Part of their offers is 3yrs 0% financing. And the 65" B6 and C6 are both marked at $3299. I haven't even opened my Samsung yet. 🤔

Art Vandilay said:
So you're saying I could sit on the warranty for 2 years and 11 months, e.g., and still get a refund if I never needed to use it? That doesn't seem right.
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That's how the Costco rep explained it. Not too surprising if you're familiar with Costco's generous policies.
 
Kyoufu said:
I've been playing at 50ms input lag on my E6 because Game mode isn't available while using Bluetooth and it doesn't feel worse, so it's a relief that HDR gaming will feel good. I would probably look into getting a different TV otherwise.
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Yeah I originally picked up a P65-C1 but when I learned about the limitations with the HDMI 5 port and the input lag when in HDR mode I returned it. If I'm not going to get the advertised 17ms then I'd rather not take the hit in picture quality vs OLED. I'm fortunate enough that I was able to pick up a C6 instead. I'll take the 30ms SDR/50ms HDR for the insane picture. If it gets to be too much I'll move my xbox to my monitor.
 
Oh forgot to mention because some people were asking what TVs have low input lag in HDR mode. Rtings.com says the KS8000 is 20.9ms in SDR game mode, and only 22.6ms in HDR game mode. Lag spikes to over 100ms in both SDR and HDR outside game mode. That's the lowest reported input lag in HDR mode that I've seen. But it's also the only place I've seen that claim, so I don't know if it's indeed accurate.
 
Kyoufu said:
Can't think of any reason not to buy OLED other than financial reasons.
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Well, yeah. I'd love to get an OLED tv, but I'd also love to be in the position to drop 2500+ for a tv. I'm having a hard enough time justifying 1300 for a 55".

I need to replace my downstairs tv and am just going to move my 51" Sammy Plasma from upstairs down there. But I want to get something nice for my living room, and have been back and forth with the KS8000 and Vizio P. I'm leaning towards the Samsung, but man, 1300 is a lot to explain to my wife.

And who do I have to kill for discontinuing Plasma TVs? I only found this out at the end of last year. I am so disappointed.
 
I see the Vizio P series gets a lot of love here but when I went to Best Buy they told me they no longer stocked it due to so many complaints and I was very confused.
 
Joei said:
Well, yeah. I'd love to get an OLED tv, but I'd also love to be in the position to drop 2500+ for a tv. I'm having a hard enough time justifying 1300 for a 55".

I need to replace my downstairs tv and am just going to move my 51" Sammy Plasma from upstairs down there. But I want to get something nice for my living room, and have been back and forth with the KS8000 and Vizio P. I'm leaning towards the Samsung, but man, 1300 is a lot to explain to my wife.

And who do I have to kill for discontinuing Plasma TVs? I only found this out at the end of last year. I am so disappointed.
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Go with your gut and leave this thread now.

Buy a LG OLED during Black Friday sales or wait til next year.
 
sugarman said:
I see the Vizio P series gets a lot of love here but when I went to Best Buy they told me they no longer stocked it due to so many complaints and I was very confused.
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Exclusivity deal is over with BestBuy. I find it strange that Vizio Dolby Vision chip that decodes both Dolby Vision and HDR10 is producing double the lag in HDR mode with GLL on. With GLL on, the only processing would be from the the decoder chip and very limited processing if local dimming is required for HDR gaming.
 
Kyoufu said:
I went from Plasma to OLED, skipping LCD. Doing it right, gents.

Can't think of any reason not to buy OLED other than financial reasons.

Not saying there aren't good LCD televisions available, there are, but if you can afford it, OLED should be where you set your sights on.
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Yes but not yet. OLED has too many things in common with LCD's to justify the price tag, all 2016 TV sets, including OLED's will age quicker than anticipated.

For me, to justify the premium a 65" OLED commands today, it would need to have a 4k/60Hz+ capable panel with appropriate inputs like display port 1.3&1.4, sub 20ms input input lag, the brightness could be a bit better too.
 
IMO OLED owners looking to do HDR gaming are likely to feel disappointed. They're only just barely bright enough for SDR content. It's clear from today that HDR gaming is really designed for 'torch mode' capable super bright HDR LCD tvs.

That said, I'm a fan of OLEDs responsiveness and SDR content contrast/colours. They're still incredible TVs. And to pre-empt replies, yes I'm aware of the differing HDR standard made just for OLED tvs.
 
McSpidey said:
IMO OLED owners looking to do HDR gaming are likely to feel disappointed. They're only just barely bright enough for SDR content. It's clear from today that HDR gaming is really designed for 'torch mode' capable super bright HDR LCD tvs.

That said, I'm a fan of OLEDs responsiveness and SDR content contrast/colours. They're still incredible TVs. And to pre-empt replies, yes I'm aware of the differing HDR standard made just for OLED tvs.
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Since it is not just about brightness most likely owners of every display will be dissappointed according to this thinking (the current OLED line is brighter than most TVs discussed here and even Samsungs flagship doesn't hold the 1000 Nits originally promised). So there is that, everyone will be disappointed, still pumped after watching some nice HDR UHDs^^
 
McSpidey said:
IMO OLED owners looking to do HDR gaming are likely to feel disappointed. They're only just barely bright enough for SDR content. It's clear from today that HDR gaming is really designed for 'torch mode' capable super bright HDR LCD tvs.

That said, I'm a fan of OLEDs responsiveness and SDR content contrast/colours. They're still incredible TVs. And to pre-empt replies, yes I'm aware of the differing HDR standard made just for OLED tvs.
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That brightness is just specular highlights, and the older models perform at, at least 500 nits which is pretty bright especially in a dark setting. The G6 has been measured to be reaching 700 nits. That compared to SDR, at 100 nits is huge.
 
After pre-ordering the PS4 Pro, I've started looking for a 4K HDR set.. I truly wanted a 4k HDR monitor but those have not made it to market yet. From what I've seen, the ks8000 has best best input lag, even with HDR content.

Is there anything better, input lag wise, out there? Should I just wait until November to see if there's anything else hitting the market?
 
George Claw M.D. said:
Oh forgot to mention because some people were asking what TVs have low input lag in HDR mode. Rtings.com says the KS8000 is 20.9ms in SDR game mode, and only 22.6ms in HDR game mode. Lag spikes to over 100ms in both SDR and HDR outside game mode. That's the lowest reported input lag in HDR mode that I've seen. But it's also the only place I've seen that claim, so I don't know if it's indeed accurate.
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This is what concerns me a bit. There doesn't seem to be any second verification of this so it's a bit scary to buy the TV based on it. I guess it's tough because there really isn't any HDR games to test yet.
 
GitarooMan said:
This is what concerns me a bit. There doesn't seem to be any second verification of this so it's a bit scary to buy the TV based on it. I guess it's tough because there really isn't any HDR games to test yet.
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Rtings will retest if Vizio or any other manufacture that does a firmware update. Personally, I think it's odd that they're test say's HDR effectively doubles lag on Vizio P Series.
 
as ps4 pro won't have uhd capabilities , I may need to buy a uhd player

I have few questions,

-I have 3 HDMI only on my lg oled : my tv box, my ps4 and my Apple TV which I use only and only for a French streaming app called Canalplay available only on Apple device. How can I connect a BR pUHD player without a multi HDMI device ? Does they have (uhd player) some HDMI in as well so I can plug in my Apple TV for exemple ?
-I don't want 3 vg system and I'll buy the NX so ...... I don't think I'll buy the Xbox one S for bhd unless it's really good ? Won't play on it
-how much can we expect for next year uhd player like January/ February ? Xbox one s price ?
-how should I let the upscale from standard BR, the tv or the player ?

Thanks
 
Yukstin said:
with Xbox Slim and PS4 only supporting HDR10, I wouldn't worry too much. Since Dolby Vision requires a hardware chip, I think Dolby could get squeezed out on consoles.
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Do we know this for sure about PS4? Can't find any info myself. Anyone have a link? Thanks.

Trying to decide between Samsung KS8000 and Vizio P55-C1.
 
Kyoufu said:
I've been playing at 50ms input lag on my E6 because Game mode isn't available while using Bluetooth and it doesn't feel worse, so it's a relief that HDR gaming will feel good. I would probably look into getting a different TV otherwise.
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Hopefully LG will add HDR to their game mode with an update so hopefully it will be around 35ms as well.
But 50ms with 3rd person action games is fine
 
GitarooMan said:
This is what concerns me a bit. There doesn't seem to be any second verification of this so it's a bit scary to buy the TV based on it. I guess it's tough because there really isn't any HDR games to test yet.
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Lack of second verification just highlights the problem, there is a significant market share that's still ignored. A good number of consumers factor in gaming performance when buying a monitor or a TV but OEM's gave us game mode and called it a day. On the other hand, input lag reduction contradicts efforts of pushing image quality, the tricks OEM's resort to improve contrast, color and brightness performance are inherently inducing input lag.

I've started my 4K research years ago, reliable input lag info as well other PC/gaming specific info for TV's has been the hardest to find.


I bet a low input lag OLED display, even without any audio and TV tuner components would sell like hotcakes. If there ever was a chance for a monitor OEM to capture TV share, this is it.
 
duhmetree said:
After pre-ordering the PS4 Pro, I've started looking for a 4K HDR set.. I truly wanted a 4k HDR monitor but those have not made it to market yet. From what I've seen, the ks8000 has best best input lag, even with HDR content.

Is there anything better, input lag wise, out there? Should I just wait until November to see if there's anything else hitting the market?
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What price is it?
 
axb2013 said:
Lack of second verification just highlights the problem, there is a significant market share that's still ignored. A good number of consumers factor in gaming performance when buying a monitor or a TV but OEM's gave us game mode and called it a day. On the other hand, input lag reduction contradicts efforts of pushing image quality, the tricks OEM's resort to improve contrast, color and brightness performance are inherently inducing input lag.

I've started my 4K research years ago, reliable input lag info as well other PC/gaming specific info for TV's has been the hardest to find.


I bet a low input lag OLED display, even without any audio and TV tuner components would sell like hotcakes. If there ever was a chance for a monitor OEM to capture TV share, this is it.
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Amen to that! I don't need these tuner components. Just gimme a 4K HDR TV without 3D and all that jazz and go!
 
So I'm considering picking up a PS4 Pro. Along with that I'l get a 4K TV because my current Philips model is probably 10 years old at this point.

I'm looking for something around 50-55 inches and somewhere around $500 if it's possible. I've looked at the TCL TVs a couple of times but those don't have HDR do they?
 
New002 said:
Say whaaaat. Do you have a link by any chance? First I'm hearing about this! :D
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Ah man, immediately I noticed that one more "hopefully" is missing from the sentence and I edited in but seems it did not save it, but now I successfully edited :D Sorry for the misleading, that important word can change the whole meaning :D

So I was just hoping for the update not telling that it's coming, sorry :)
 
Adam M said:
Hopefully LG will add HDR to their game mode with an update so hopefully it will be around 35ms as well.
But 50ms with 3rd person action games is fine
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I haven't heard of anything about a firmware update sadly but I've been playing Destiny in 50ms and I had no complaints. I think 60ms+ is where I'd start feeling it.
 
Tjamato88 said:
What's the best way to tell if a TV has HDR? I was browsing Amazon but it was hard to tell what I was looking for.
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Your choices for true HDR right now are:

- Samsung KS8000/9000
- LG B6/E6/G6 OLED
- LG UH8500/9500 (peak brightness reviews are eh)
- Vizio P-Series
- Sony ZD9
- Sony X930D

Everything else kind of falls short in terms of the peak brightness/black levels required for true HDR. I might be missing a model or two from different manufacturers, so feel free to correct me, but I probably wouldn't trust off-brands like Hisense to properly implement new tech.
 
finalflame said:
Your choices for true HDR right now are:

- Samsung KS8000/9000
- LG B6/E6/G6 OLED
- LG UH8500/9500 (peak brightness reviews are eh)
- Vizio P-Series
- Sony ZD9
- Sony X930D

Everything else kind of falls short in terms of the peak brightness/black levels required for true HDR. I might be missing a model or two from different manufacturers, so feel free to correct me, but I probably wouldn't trust off-brands like Hisense to properly implement new tech.
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So the Samsung UN43KU6300 43-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV is not a good option?

Most of those that you listed are way out of my price range.
 
Tjamato88 said:
So the Samsung UN43KU6300 43-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV is not a good option?

Most of those that you listed are way out of my price range.
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As a general rule of thumb, you can search the model number + "rtings" and look at their review. Go to the Picture Quality section, the most relevant to HDR will be "Peak Brightness" and "Contrast".

The thing about HDR is the TV really needs to have high levels of peak/sustained brightness in the 2-25% ranges. The model you listed is good, but doesn't quite reach the requirements in the UHD Premium spec, so HDR will be less dramatic/impressive on it. It's still a good TV, though.

Rodin said:
Nah, it's not that great sadly.

Save some money and get the 49" KS8000 for a bit over 1000€.
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This. Wait for a sale on the 49" KS8000 and just get that. Can't go wrong.
 
Tjamato88 said:
So the Samsung UN43KU6300 43-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV is not a good option?

Most of those that you listed are way out of my price range.
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Nah, it's not that great sadly. It has some issues with judder and gray uniformity. Input lag is great, but i'm not sure about how it performs outside of game mode for HDR gaming (or if it allows you to enable game mode+hdr like the KS8000 does).

Save some money and get the 49" KS8000 for a bit over 1000€.
 
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