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smisk said:
Found a 55" B6 on sale for ~$1300, I think I'm finally gonna pull the trigger. I'm in the market for a new TV and it feels kinda pointless to get even a standard 4K at this point.
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Pull the trigger. $1300 for a B6 is one hell of a deal.
 
I'm now the owner of a panny DX750. My uncle gave it to me, and it's beautiful. Currently got it hooked up to PC. PS4 and 360. My panny VT65 Plasma is staying in the living room.
 
Kyoufu said:
There's no issue with HDR input lag on 2016 OLEDs.

Time to stop spreading FUD, guys. :(
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I'm going by the fact that people got fluctuating results, which shouldn't be the case, and I read that most testing methods/software is not there yet to provide honest 4k HDR results. Rtings also said that their results (~50ms) are not to be seen as final yet.

Could you provide a source which clarifies on that? I have literally no idea myself and only go by what I read.
 
TLZ said:
rtings shows there is though.
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Do we need to go over the validity of their OLED readings again?

#1. They had to be told that their initial lag results of the E6 were wrong and needed to be tested again. When they actually took the time to test them correctly, they were accurate.

#2. Their results from the B6 using HDR are make zero sense. (lower lag results in HDR than game mode)

#3. Leo Bodnar doesnt play well with oled, period. (Quote from the person who actually did the testing on the b6, e6, c6, ef9500)
 
ukas said:
Do we need to go over the validity of their OLED readings again?

#1. They had to be told that their initial lag results of the E6 were wrong and needed to be tested again. When they actually took the time to test them correctly, they were accurate.

#2. Their results from the B6 using HDR are make zero sense. (lower lag results in HDR than game mode)

#3. Leo Bodnar doesnt play well with oled, period. (Quote from the person who actually did the testing on the b6, e6, c6, ef9500)
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What about LG themselves though? If this is all fud then why didn't they issue any statement or update regarding HDR and gaming?
 
MCD said:
What about LG themselves though? If this is all fud then why didn't they issue any statement or update regarding HDR and gaming?
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I'm not saying anything is FUD, I'm saying the OLED results from rtings should be taken with a grain of salt.

Good luck getting LG to issue a statement lag readings, lol. The people that buy these high end TVs are videophiles first and gamers second if not at all.
 
ukas said:
Do we need to go over the validity of their OLED readings again?

#1. They had to be told that their initial lag results of the E6 were wrong and needed to be tested again. When they actually took the time to test them correctly, they were accurate.

#2. Their results from the B6 using HDR are make zero sense. (lower lag results in HDR than game mode)

#3. Leo Bodnar doesnt play well with oled, period. (Quote from the person who actually did the testing on the b6, e6, c6, ef9500)
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So, what IS the actual HDR input lag? I thought the problem is that we simply don't know for sure, isn't it? That's what has me confused.
 
Rtings got better once they re-did some of their tests. I mean, I'd be pissed if their initial results for my Sammy KS8500 turned out only for 1080p. Thankfully, the 4K recent readings weren't that far off (still in the twenties).

I played with LG E6 recently. It's a gorgeous TV and blows anything out there and I felt no lag with Overwatch in gaming mode. Tried Standard mode and boy did it move slow as hell. Of course, I'm just a casual player so take all this with a grain of salt too.
 
My aging Kuro is needing a factory reset every week or two. Looking at the LG OLED models and wondering if ECTV is legit. Any experiences with them?
 
kfpkiller said:
So I'm thinking about bying the 55B6 but I don't really have 4k content right now.
How do 1080p games look on it? Are they blurry?
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1080p scales basically perfectly to 4k displays because the resolution is 4x.

You don't really have a problem with that kind of scaling.
 
Kleegamefan said:
There is no proof of burn in being widespread on OLED TVs, but you know that already since it is pretty much common knowledge.

Also

The 32ms input delay on a G6 OLED is not the same as 32ms delay on an LED/LCD TV since the pixel response time is a few orders of magnitude faster on OLED because of the nature of the technology.

Unless you are Daigo/ J. Wong and are skilled enough to count frames on SFV and/or have the reflexes of Ted Williams, the "slow input delay" of the 2016 LG OLEDs is just an overblown narrative propagated by an Internet culture of cynics who don't even own these TVs.

Formulate your own opinion based on experience. We will all be better off for it.

BTW, I am also subject to this rule.
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I decided to actually go ahead and get the B6 yesterday and I should have it delivered by Thursday.

Image retention was a concern (possibly due in part to ignorance of myself) but there was some good information posted here on the 2016 OLEDs that reassured me previous issues were fixed. There's no chance of permanent retention and even temporary is a result of several hours displaying a static image.

In terms of lag with the B6 I guess you lose a frame or so? Yeah the SF analogy seems right.
 
Regarding OLED image retention, I visited my friend who just bought a 65" C6 this weekend. We were playing The Witness, and there was image retention after every puzzle. You could see the puzzle grid on the screen for about 30 seconds after each one. The TV is very new though (like 4 days old), and I'm assuming that image retention lessens over time, but it was pretty distracting.
 
smisk said:
Found a 55" B6 on sale for ~$1300, I think I'm finally gonna pull the trigger. I'm in the market for a new TV and it feels kinda pointless to get even a standard 4K at this point.
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I'm not calling you a liar, but that's reeeeealy suspect. I Shelled out the best part of $3000 in the UK for a 55 B6.

JudgmentJay said:
Regarding OLED image retention, I visited my friend who just bought a 65" C6 this weekend. We were playing The Witness, and there was image retention after every puzzle. You could see the puzzle grid on the screen for about 30 seconds after each one. The TV is very new though (like 4 days old), and I'm assuming that image retention lessens over time, but it was pretty distracting.
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Yeah I heard it gets better after the first week or so usage.
 
JudgmentJay said:
Regarding OLED image retention, I visited my friend who just bought a 65" C6 this weekend. We were playing The Witness, and there was image retention after every puzzle. You could see the puzzle grid on the screen for about 30 seconds after each one. The TV is very new though (like 4 days old), and I'm assuming that image retention lessens over time, but it was pretty distracting.
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I've had an E6 for a week now, no issues. TV likely hasn't been used enough for a break in period? Did you try turning it on and off and seeing if that cleared it?
 
My parents got the B6 over the weekend and I went over to set it up.

So envious. It's just a whole new level. The Best Buy sales guy convinced my mom to get a Xbox One S as well, stunning. Wish Horizon 3 was out so I could test HDR. Didn't notice too much input delay, but I'm not a competitive gamer with eyes trained on that.
 
NYR said:
I've had an E6 for a week now, no issues. TV likely hasn't been used enough for a break in period? Did you try turning it on and off and seeing if that cleared it?
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He's been running break-in slides on it and letting it do the panel swipe or whatever it's called every 8-10 hours. The Witness is pretty much a worst-case scenario though. Super high contrast colors in a grid layout combined with very vivid colors in the sky/landscape make the retention very easy to spot.
 
The Argus said:
My parents got the B6 over the weekend and I went over to set it up.

So envious. It's just a whole new level. The Best Buy sales guy convinced my mom to get a Xbox One S as well, stunning. Wish Horizon 3 was out so I could test HDR. Didn't notice too much input delay, but I'm not a competitive gamer with eyes trained on that.
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More than eyes, it's something you feel.
My plasma has about 50ms of input lag, and when you have to do parries in Dark Souls and such, you definitely feel the difference, compared to my monitor.
It feels sluggish and slow.

In many games you don't see that much because they have so much animation priority and are very forgiving in general.
 
Image retention aside, I might be in the market for an LG OLED in the very near future. Originally I was thinking the E6 as I heard it handled motion better, but is there any definitive proof to that? I've seen people claiming that all the panels should be the same. I don't mind the curve (it's considerably less of a curve than my JS9500) and I don't need the speaker, so would the C6 not be a better choice? Not to mention it's a good bit cheaper. Is there any other advantage to getting an E6 over a C6?
 
How are heat and internal noise levels on these OLEDs?
My Panny plasma is a mini space heater and buzzes audibly on lighter scenes.

JudgmentJay said:
Image retention aside, I might be in the market for an LG OLED in the very near future. Originally I was thinking the E6 as I heard it handled motion better, but is there any definitive proof to that? I've seen people claiming that all the panels should be the same. I don't mind the curve (it's considerably less of a curve than my JS9500) and I don't need the speaker, so would the C6 not be a better choice? Not to mention it's a good bit cheaper. Is there any other advantage to getting an E6 over a C6?
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I believe picture quality is the same between C and E.
You're right that the curve is very slight which makes me feel better about getting it.
I believe the only things missing out really are the flat panel, and integrated sound bar which is a non-issue for most.
 
Art Vandilay said:
This is what I'd like to know. Hopefully it's not East Coast TVs. If I can get the B6 (or maybe C6) for sub-$1500 during Black Friday sales then I'm going to pull the trigger.
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It is East Coast TV's actually. No idea they had a bad rep but I should've known that price was too good.. Gonna do some more research and decide if I should go for it. Sounds like they have a shitty return policy and try to upsell you insurance and stuff like that.
 
dallow_bg said:
How are heat and internal noise levels on these OLEDs?
My Panny plasma is a mini space heater and buzzes audibly on lighter scenes.



I believe picture quality is the same between C and E.
You're right that the curve is very slight which makes me feel better about getting it.
I believe the only things missing out really are the flat panel, and integrated sound bar which is a non-issue for most.
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Non-existent
 
ukas said:
Non-existent
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Guess you have a pretty cool place, because that's not what I'm experiencing.

The E6 and G6 do get quite hot due to the extra soundbar. You just have to touch the E6 where the power cable is placed and I can definitely feel it.
Why am I writing this? Because me placing a 65E5 in front of my PC desk and sitting behind the TV, I started to sweat. :D Edge LED TV coolness, this is not.
While my old Sony LED TV stays cool (no wonder with only one LED at the bottom), the whole front of my OLED is getting warm.

To be fair it's still less than a Plasma or a 4K LED TV with FALD, but for those who have their apartement under the roof and have problems in summer, the B6 and C6 are the cooler OLED choices.
 
JudgmentJay said:
Regarding OLED image retention, I visited my friend who just bought a 65" C6 this weekend. We were playing The Witness, and there was image retention after every puzzle. You could see the puzzle grid on the screen for about 30 seconds after each one. The TV is very new though (like 4 days old), and I'm assuming that image retention lessens over time, but it was pretty distracting.
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Literally not witnessed any image retention whatsoever on my B6, no HUDs or anything. Seems odd.
 
Lucifon said:
Literally not witnessed any image retention whatsoever on my B6, no HUDs or anything. Seems odd.
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We played a lot of different stuff over the weekend and The Witness was the only time I noticed any IR. I'd be really curious to see someone else try it. Just look at a puzzle for ~20 seconds, exit, and look at the sky.
 
Alright Gaf, I need some help. I'm in the market for an OLED TV, but I'm not sure what to get. I'm seriously eyeing the oled65b6p by LG. I don't really want a curved screen, nor do I want 3D. Am I on the right track?
 
Jigolo said:
ratings best TVs for HDR gaming

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-usage/hdr-gaming/best
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They aren't doing anything to change my opinion of their testing.

"OLED TVs top our charts for 4k HDR gaming and the LG B6 is the best of them. The picture quality is great for HDR with its deep blacks and wide color gamut.

Note: The input lag in HDR is inconsistent on both the LG B6 and the E6 and it varies in time. If you care about input lag, you should skip OLED."
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ryohumar said:
Alright Gaf, I need some help. I'm in the market for an OLED TV, but I'm not sure what to get. I'm seriously eyeing the oled65b6p by LG. I don't really want a curved screen, nor do I want 3D. Am I on the right track?
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No, not on the right track - you already reached your destination. :)

Yes. B6 is exactly what you want. E6 is the step up if you want 3D and a better design. Keep in mind, OLED are less brighter than traditional TVs, something I have realized this week after buying a 65" E6.
 
finalflame said:
Feeling mighty good about my KS8000.
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I read that the model numbers between NA and EU don't match so:

USA KS9500 = EU KS9000
USA KS9000 = EU KS8000
USA KS8500 = EU KS7500
USA KS8000 = EU KS7000

So your KS8000 is a EU KS7000. If you are EU than your EU KS8000 = USA KS9000 which is the best TV released by Samsung this year.
 
PLASTICA-MAN said:
I read that the model numbers between NA and EU don't match so:

USA KS9500 = EU KS9000
USA KS9000 = EU KS8000
USA KS8500 = EU KS7500
USA KS8000 = EU KS7000

So your KS8000 is a EU KS7000. If you are EU than your EU KS8000 = USA KS9000 which is the best TV released by Samsung this year.
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I'm aware :) I'm in the U.S. and rtings is rating the U.S. KS8000 -- which I own. It's obvious based on the fact they are an American website and the stand design is distinct.
 
Devil said:
^The only real concern I have regarding OLED input lag is the missing/not trustworthy data on lag in 4K HDR settings.
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That is going to be the case for a lot of TVs including flagship ones.

Sony's ZD9 has a response time of 45ms at it's quickest (Game mode), with regular material and a whopping 98ms in Cinema mode. If HDR adds lag to the set they were even using to demo the new Playstation, then it's clear that just buying a high-end TV might not be enough to secure future-proofing.
 
holygeesus said:
That is going to be the case for a lot of TVs including flagship ones.

Sony's ZD9 has a response time of 45ms at it's quickest (Game mode), with regular material and a whopping 98ms in Cinema mode. If HDR adds lag to the set they were even using to demo the new Playstation, then it's clear that just buying a high-end TV might not be enough to secure future-proofing.
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Input lag /= response time. And its input lag level remain the same in 1080, 4k, or 4k+hdr like the x800D, they are all running on the same os version and processor.
 
In other news, my Samsung Plasma just died 2 weeks ago.

2 days EARLIER than warranty expiry date.

It probably slightly miscalculated the date, as i'm sure it was supposed to happen 2 days AFTER that. Tough luck, Samsung.
 
holygeesus said:
That is going to be the case for a lot of TVs including flagship ones.

Sony's ZD9 has a response time of 45ms at it's quickest (Game mode), with regular material and a whopping 98ms in Cinema mode. If HDR adds lag to the set they were even using to demo the new Playstation, then it's clear that just buying a high-end TV might not be enough to secure future-proofing.
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If anything if input lag is a thing you care about then high end sets are not really your thing.
 
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