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I've been looking at reviews for months and I'm really set on buying a gaming TV for my room.

I'm going to be sitting about 5 feet away from the TV so I'm looking at about 40" - 50" max. I'd prefer to save money and go closer to 40". I'm pretty set on LCD/LED as I don't want to be bothered with IR on long gaming sessions. I'll take some shitty black levels for that peace of mind.

Samsung UN40EH5300

Vizio M401i-A3

Samsung UN40F6300

Panasonic TC-L42E60

Been looking at these. The top 2 have great input lag, the reviews on the picture quality aren't inspiring but I've been playing on a 40" dynex for a while, anything should be a step up. If anyone knows of some better TVs in the same price range I would appreciate the input, buying these things is hard.
 
Does anyone have solid input lag numbers for the ST50? My search results have varied from 16ms to in the 60s. I've been eyeing the S60 for its low latency but I read that the ST50 has the amazing picture quality of the ST60 but with lower lag. Can anyone confirm?
 
Panasonic TC-P50S60 50-Inch has a problem :(

The problem with the TV is that it has a "blue line" that is visible only under white screen. Whenever your viewing something that is white you can see the blue line on the top left, it looks like a line of dead pixels, the line is vertical. It came on the TV like a week ago. I purchased the TV on 8-5-13.

What's the best way to deal with this? Return the TV and buy another (if they will still accept it back) or should I ask for an exchange. IDK what's Amazons exchange or return policy. Their website is so hard to find about their polices. Please help.
 
I need a 32" 1080p TV that is good for gaming on console, and that will work good as a PC monitor as well. Or a 32" 1080p PC monitor that can be used for gaming on consoles as well as being used for PC. 32" is really the minimum size for my current set up. Any suggestions?

edit: I've found this. It has the capability of activating 4:4:4 full chroma mode so it should be okay as a PC monitor, I think. Anyone have this TV?
 
Are there any calibration sites/ disks for gaming? I'm trying many of these calibration settings for the tv and most are too dark for gaming. They make movies look good but the thing is in movies you are not looking for and aiming at things in the dark. It makes daker games, Last of us orGTA 5 (at night in the game) borderline unplayable .
 
gtrunner said:
Are there any calibration sites/ disks for gaming? I'm trying many of these calibration settings for the tv and most are too dark for gaming. They make movies look good but the thing is in movies you are not looking for and aiming at things in the dark. It makes daker games, Last of us orGTA 5 (at night in the game) borderline unplayable .
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This is my go to test image for setting brightness. All boxes should be visible, with the darkest box only just barely visible.

http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u16580/HowMonTest1.jpg

This site has a good set of articles on different aspects. You can buy their bluray also, but I have it and generally just use the images on their site for most basic calibration functions.

http://www.spearsandmunsil.com/2nd-edition-articles/
 
Fuck my Panasonic plasma won't turn on, I've had it for 2 years and 3 months phoned amazon they told me my warrant only covers a year with them and a year with Panasonic, Panasonic told me to contact one of there third party repaire shop they told me just to have some look at the TV set will cost £108 that's not include the labour for job or the parts which puts me in a dilemma do I take the risk go 108 pounds deep not knowing how much it could cost in the end to fix it or do buy a new tv.

Uk repair men are incompetent scum bags so I would be better off buying a new tv but I don'understand why TV price have shot up I got my plasma for £540 but pretty much the same panny plasma spec is being sold for £699.

Do I go led or stay plasma or go some other fancy set name?

I want a 1080p set with high refresh rate good colours,good blacks with a component cable out for my wii and hdmi of course for me ps3 and laptop connection.
 
Cwarrior said:
Fuck my Panasonic plasma won't turn on, I've had it for 2 years and 3 months phoned amazon they told me my warrant only covers a year with them and a year with Panasonic, Panasonic told me to contact one of there third party repaire shop they told me just to have some look at the TV set will cost £108 that's not include the labour for job or the parts which puts me in a dilemma do I take the risk go 108 pounds deep not knowing how much it could cost in the end to fix it or do buy a new tv.

Uk repair men are incompetent scum bags so I would be better off buying a new tv but I don'understand why TV price have shot up I got my plasma for £540 but pretty much the same panny plasma spec is being sold for £699.

Do I go led or stay plasma or go some other fancy set name?

I want a 1080p set with high refresh rate good colours,good blacks with a component cable out for my wii and hdmi of course for me ps3 and laptop connection.
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You're making the right call, PDP's are a very dubious repair due to voltage adjustments. Repair shops do not have the equipment or know how to do it, so you'll likely get back a TV with some combination of elevated black levels, increased image retention, or pixel misfires.
 
Reallink said:
You're making the right call, PDP's are a very dubious repair due to voltage adjustments. Repair shops do not have the equipment or know how to do it, so you'll likely get back a TV with some combination of elevated black levels, increased image retention, or pixel misfires.
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Thanks for the reassurance, I see most tv on sale are LEDs the difference and advantages or disadvantages to plasma and LCD.

I want a tv for next gen consoles ps4 but also need a component cable out for my wii and also use it too watch 1080p movies.
 
gtrunner said:
Are there any calibration sites/ disks for gaming? I'm trying many of these calibration settings for the tv and most are too dark for gaming. They make movies look good but the thing is in movies you are not looking for and aiming at things in the dark. It makes daker games, Last of us orGTA 5 (at night in the game) borderline unplayable .
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Calibration is typically done to H D video standards (Rec 709). So you could calibrate or adjust to that and then tweak based on the in game picture settings if you think it's too dark.
 
We're looking to get a TV for our new home theatre

Preferably something over 70" and willing to spend up to $7000-8000 AUD, GAF help would be appreciated!
 
cheezcake said:
We're looking to get a TV for our new home theatre

Preferably something over 70" and willing to spend up to $7000-8000 AUD, GAF help would be appreciated!
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Have you looked into projectors? You can get a very big screen for a much lower cost then buying a TV and great picture quality. Only downside are that you have to replace the bulb every year ($500 or so), And you need a dark room for the best picture quality.
 
Joeki11a said:
wow look at mr showoff haha
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There's 3 of us paying for it! Figured we'd spoil ourselves

Unstable said:
Have you looked into projectors? You can get a very big screen for a much lower cost then buying a TV and great picture quality. Only downside are that you have to replace the bulb every year ($500 or so), And you need a dark room for the best picture quality.
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Not really but I'm open to the idea as long as it's good for gaming, this will be the ps4/xb1 room as well
Edit: room is completely light controlled so that won't be an issue
 
cheezcake said:
There's 3 of us paying for it! Figured we'd spoil ourselves



Not really but I'm open to the idea as long as it's good for gaming, this will be the ps4/xb1 room as well
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http://www.amazon.com/BenQ-W1070-1080P-Theater-Projector/dp/B00A2T6X0K/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Quick Googling shows this is a great projector for gaming, okay image quality, A very good price, and most importantly a very nice display lag 33.7ms which is very good and very important for gaming.

Don't take my word as gospel though, not really an expert on projectors.
 
The short throw version(1080st) might be better for gaming(particularly Kinect/eye) since it can be positioned closer so you arent blocking the projector.

Heres Benqs explanation lol.
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demented said:
I need a new TV for my living room (still have crt sony older than me there) and I want to get something that's preferably 60 inches since the room is large. There are also glass doors and windows on the right side wall from the TV and could directly throw light at tv which would be minimized by curtains and blinds. I'm leaning towards plasma because everyone suggests it and is I think cheaper at that size but I dont really have like 2k euros to spend, not sure if I can go for 1k even. So maybe I can't get top of the line Panasonics so can you guys tell me what to look for in a tv spec wise?
I'll be traveling from abroad home with a car and will be buying it abroad too (Germany most likely) since it's cheaper and better quality so I can't really be set on certain model (unless I find a store with it ahead) so when I see the options I'll google it but i wanna know what all the specs should be, 1080p, x hz? X ms and that sort of things.
I leave in few days and any help would be great.

We dont watch much tv at home, dont even have cable for HD channels (an hour every few days maybe,but I expect it would change with new one but not drastically) but tv will be used for movies and tv shows on bluray and through usb, I play ps3 and 360 and plan on getting ps4, possibly play games from my PC on it too.
I've bought random toshiba 40" tv for my vacation home and it was like 350euros,led 3d etc and it looks amazing so I'm not much of a videophile or knowledgeable in this area but still dont want to buy just anything or some crappy plasma that will cause me more issues than good.
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Went through half the thread and still not quite sure what to go for. On the other hand if I can't find suitable big TV for the living room at OK price I'll just get something around 40" for my bedroom I guess.
 
I am not so sure about these input lag reports.

Different sites can have the same TV but report wildly different numbers. I am not sure if this is because one or more of them do not know the technique to get an accurate number or if it is because these TVs are made of commodity parts so one may not have identical internals to another of the same model.

My advice, buy the TV locally and try it out before you buy it if possible.
 
Arment said:
I've been looking at reviews for months and I'm really set on buying a gaming TV for my room.

I'm going to be sitting about 5 feet away from the TV so I'm looking at about 40" - 50" max. I'd prefer to save money and go closer to 40". I'm pretty set on LCD/LED as I don't want to be bothered with IR on long gaming sessions. I'll take some shitty black levels for that peace of mind.

Samsung UN40EH5300

Vizio M401i-A3

Samsung UN40F6300

Panasonic TC-L42E60

Been looking at these. The top 2 have great input lag, the reviews on the picture quality aren't inspiring but I've been playing on a 40" dynex for a while, anything should be a step up. If anyone knows of some better TVs in the same price range I would appreciate the input, buying these things is hard.
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Sony KDL-40R450A -currently $429 with 25ms input lag

I'm looking at this model as my next upgrade for the bedroom TV. Saw it at Costco for the same price and picture quality looked great.
 
Tablo said:
Is that good or bad for a projector? I'm assuming this is a 1080p projector? 60hz?
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1080p with up to a 240Hz refresh rate, from the research I've done it seems to be the best projector for the price-point but I'm having trouble trying to find info on how gaming is on it.

EDIT: Apparently in game mode the input lag is 34ms
 
cheezcake said:
Anyone have experience with the Sony VPL HW-50ES , $4500 AUD and can get a really nice 120" screen for $1000.



Apparently response time is ~50ms
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Your best bet for impressions on HW in that range is AVSforums. They've got a section dedicated to higher end projection.

SXRD isn't a great technology for gaming, or at least it hasn't been historically. That's the impression I got when I was researching PJ's anyway. The black levels are fantastic though and if you don't play many twitchy games....maybe? I'd probably wait for 4K before spending that much money.
 
OK guys, maybe you can help me.

I´m still looking for a new 55" PLASMA.

At first I thought that I couldn´t go wrong with Panasonic, but I think at least the later models suffer from bad input lag.(?)

So what should I get?
 
GlamFM said:
OK guys, maybe you can help me.

I´m still looking for a new 55" PLASMA.

At first I thought that I couldn´t go wrong with Panasonic, but I think at least the later models suffer from bad input lag.(?)

So what should I get?
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You could still get a Panasonic plasma, depending on what your budget is. The input lag is more of a concern with the ST60 model, but both the VT60 and ZT60 have lower lag. But the price on both of those is much higher. There's a link in the OP to a display lag database. You can also look at the CNET summary of the TV's they have reviewed, since it seems to have some tv's that aren't on the displaylag.com list.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57587317-221/game-mode-on-cnet-tests-tvs-for-input-lag/
 
Omlagus said:
You could still get a Panasonic plasma, depending on what your budget is. The input lag is more of a concern with the ST60 model, but both the VT60 and ZT60 have lower lag. But the price on both of those is much higher. There's a link in the OP to a display lag database. You can also look at the CNET summary of the TV's they have reviewed, since it seems to have some tv's that aren't on the displaylag.com list.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57587317-221/game-mode-on-cnet-tests-tvs-for-input-lag/
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Thanks a lot - I´ll check them out.
 
cheezcake said:
Anyone have experience with the Sony VPL HW-50ES , $4500 AUD and can get a really nice 120" screen for $1000.



Apparently response time is ~50ms
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I have the updated model on order, the Sony VPL HW-55ES, so I plan on posting my findings once it arrives (is released). Going to be running it on a 92" screen with a PS4 and PC hooked up to it. The VPL HW-50ES was, from what I have read, one of the best if not the best projector in its price range for gaming, low lag and full 4:4:4 support, but I decided to wait out for the new model.
 
So is there any TV that's going to have low inmput lag and decent quality for gaming that is below 600 and isn't plasma? I'd go plasma, but, I live in a very bright environment. I wanted something small, but, everyone always says plasma, and all the LEDs I've seen have high input lag and this is driving me insane because nobody has an answer aside from spamming go plasma.
 
Hey this might be a good place to ask it, if Sony ever decides to re-release the OLED Vita in the future, is there a chance they'll include a 1080p display and just quadruple up on the pixel scaling since the Vita is QHD? Every source I read states that the high density pixel layout for OLED is quite beneficial for the technology, but looks bad when under a certain PPI threshold. Do you think fabricating with one of Samsungs newest panels would overcome that?

I hope this post made some sort of sense lol.
 
dallow_bg said:
It's a great TV.

Man, the VT60s in Europe are so much better spec wise.
Dual HD tuners, with USB 3.0 for recording.
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Mentioning the tuners actually got me thinking... Is there any difference with how the TV processes SD content via their built in TV-tuner versus the same SD content coming through a set top box connected via HDMI? Or even HD content?
With the set top box set to automatically change the displayed resolution to it's native form, so that the TV actually knows it's displaying SD content, of course.
 
Is there a mirror of this thread regarding next gen audio? My (faithful, best bargain of my life HTiB 8 year old) receiver has seemingly seen its last day, and I've begun looking into things. A GAF resource would be valuable right about now.
 
myca77 said:
I have the updated model on order, the Sony VPL HW-55ES, so I plan on posting my findings once it arrives (is released). Going to be running it on a 92" screen with a PS4 and PC hooked up to it. The VPL HW-50ES was, from what I have read, one of the best if not the best projector in its price range for gaming, low lag and full 4:4:4 support, but I decided to wait out for the new model.
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Awesome! I only just found out the updated model was coming out soon so I look forward to your impressions =D

I have a while before I have to get the stuff for the home theatre so I might get the 55 as well
 
ReyVGM said:
I casually play FPS and fighting games, but I tend to stick to RPGs and action games.
I really like that Panasonic Plasma ST60, however, this CNET test says it has horrible input lag.

If I buy that TV, which I find very appealing, will it affect my action games and casually playing FPS and fighting games?

Or should I just go with the S60?
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I'm in the same boat. I have the ST60 on order but can still change my mind. I think in my case if I never read about the input lag I don't think it would have been an issue. The question is whether or not to sacrifice picture quality for a better gaming experience. Tough one.
 
Ok because people in this thread talking about Sony W series, I went to Sony store yesterday to see them in person.

When I asked the dude I want to see Sony W he didn't know which one, because they are still called "Bravia KDL something something number number W900 something number " he know which one when I said "Triluminos", the hell was this? why Sony is still keeping these new TV under Bravia and KDL branding? just call them Sony Triluminos (it even similar to the legendary Sony trinitron)

Anyway, Yes you guys were absolutely right, W900 and it's Triluminos screen if amazing looking HDTV, this is really the best LCD I've ever seen, amazing colors and very good damn blacks going on, The Last of Us looked amazing on the smaller one yeah W will be my next HDTV for sure.

but yeah Sony need to drop the Bravia and KDL branding to not confuse people who are going to buy them, just call them Sony Triluminos or just W900/W950/W1.
 
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