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Amazing Warranty question: I'm looking to order the Panasonic Plasma 50S60 soon and I see Amazon offers some 5-year deal with some company called SquareTrade.

Does anybody recommend the warranty or getting any warranty for that matter? I'm new to these kinds of big TV purchases.
 
Sorry for the overload of gifs guys, last ones, I promise. :)

I just want to give people that are tossing up the ST60 model a 'real world' comparison, so they can work out whether or not input lag could be an issue for them, as it's something I wish I had to make my decision easier. I'm glad I took the plunge, it's been a beautiful set so far.

Anyway, tests. I took some recommended games from earlier and tried the same test on my 50ST60 and my PC monitor which from a quick Google has about 5ms input lag, so extremely low.

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Modern Warfare 3 (demo, didn't have MW1/2 with me)
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For me: I can notice it in game, but just barely. If the ST60 had any more lag than this I'd probably return it for the W900, but thankfully it's not a deal breaker.
 
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55FH6003FXZA

Been thinking about getting this particular model of samsung to replace my current 40in 1080i samsung. I tried looking up some info on display lag.com but couldn't find this one on the list of products. Also tried googling this model as well as input lag and still nothing.

Should I be worried by the lack of info? Anyone have this articular model or one of a different size but same model to add some info for me? I'd really appreciate it.

Def like this for the price, size and features. Don't need a smart tv as the system usually picks up the slack of added apps.
 
I've been (console) gaming on my plasma since 2009, and I thought it was as good as it could get. Although now, I think it's even better. Just recently built a smaller, more portable gaming PC, and have been playing games on the set for about a week now. I'm not sure if it's because you can set the PC to display 0-255 compared to the standard 16-255 for consoles (PS3 can do it, but I think it only affects video content) and most video content or even just a matter of resolution, but any game with shadows looks absolutely ridiculous on the plasma. I've played plenty of games on the consoles that have shadow, but it looks so much better with specific PC games (try playing HL2 with the FF Cinematic mod, or any other game with dynamic shadows).

They looked "good" on my IPS monitor, but they look phenomenal on the plasma, and I don't even have a top of the line set. Probably going to splurge on an upgrade in another year or so.
 
I went to Best Buy on Friday to look at the VT and ZT 65".

Couldn't tell a god damn difference between the two of them which means VT it is. Going to keep an eye on the prices for a while longer though.
 
BrokenEchelon said:
I went to Best Buy on Friday to look at the VT and ZT 65".

Couldn't tell a god damn difference between the two of them which means VT it is. Going to keep an eye on the prices for a while longer though.
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Unless they actually have a properly lit viewing room with televisions that were at least "calibrated" by what any typical user can do with a remote, you probably aren't going to notice too much of a difference.
The majority of sets on display at an average consumer store are almost always setup awfully.

Stillmatic said:
Anyway, tests. I took some recommended games from earlier and tried the same test on my 50ST60 and my PC monitor which from a quick Google has about 5ms input lag, so extremely low.
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Anything below 16ms is the same as 0ms in terms of input lag. As long as you aren't missing a frame (16.6), it won't affect you in any way.

For me: I can notice it in game, but just barely. If the ST60 had any more lag than this I'd probably return it for the W900, but thankfully it's not a deal breaker.
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I'd also take what any online tester has to say about a specific TV (especially the larger screens) with a huge grain of salt. One of my friends was on some crusade to purchase this Samsung model that was no longer in production that supposedly had 15ms. On a 50 inch. I told him that there's no fucking way, and that there's something fishy with that site, yet he found another site with similar results and eventually paid way more than he should have for a 2011 model. Only to find out that in game mode it was 38ms. Most plasma sets are good to great for non fighting/shmups games, but they aren't the best for those genres; although depending on whether or not you're competetive or your tolerance levels, they are doable. My own is at 20ms, which means it's missing a single frame. It's not horrible by any means, but I don't use it for serious matches (although it's technically still faster playing on that screen with a 360 than it is the PS3 on a lagless screen).
 
Sanctuary said:
Unless they actually have a properly lit viewing room with televisions that were at least "calibrated" by what any typical user can do with a remote, you probably aren't going to notice too much of a difference.
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They had a dedicated home theater area, which I'm sure is standard for their stores, but the TVs there actually had their own alcoves set up along with salespeople (spouting bullshit of course).

I tried Microcenter and several other stores and BB of all places was the only one that actually had the TVs up on display, so it's the best I could do. :\
 
PSA. The 32 inch W650 does not have the same ultra low input lag as it's 42 inch big brother.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kdl32w653-201310313413.htm

Full Recovery said:
Does anyone have an ambient light behind there tv? I'm looking at this one on amazon and I like it because it plugs into the usb on the tv, so it will turn on and off with the tv.

Any recommendations?
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DO NOT GET THIS. The white point is COMPLETELY wrong. I have one. If you want something that turns on with the tv, get a 'smart' surge protector, and a small desk lamp with a GOOD 6500k bulb and place it behind the television. It will be much, much better.
 
Sanctuary said:
I'd also take what any online tester has to say about a specific TV (especially the larger screens) with a huge grain of salt. One of my friends was on some crusade to purchase this Samsung model that was no longer in production that supposedly had 15ms. On a 50 inch. I told him that there's no fucking way, and that there's something fishy with that site, yet he found another site with similar results and eventually paid way more than he should have for a 2011 model. Only to find out that in game mode it was 38ms. Most plasma sets are good to great for non fighting/shmups games, but they aren't the best for those genres; although depending on whether or not you're competetive or your tolerance levels, they are doable. My own is at 20ms, which means it's missing a single frame. It's not horrible by any means, but I don't use it for serious matches (although it's technically still faster playing on that screen with a 360 than it is the PS3 on a lagless screen).
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So the s60's 34ms will be kind of noticeable? Is it the lowest input lag I could get for 50"?
 
WHOAguitarninja said:
PSA. The 32 inch W650 does not have the same ultra low input lag as it's 42 inch big brother.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kdl32w653-201310313413.htm



DO NOT GET THIS. The white point is COMPLETELY wrong. I have one. If you want something that turns on with the tv, get a 'smart' surge protector, and a small desk lamp with a GOOD 6500k bulb and place it behind the television. It will be much, much better.
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The 32" got 33ms on Leo Bodnar. That's not a bad score. Though not nearly as good as the 17ms the 42" got.
 
Stillmatic said:
For me: I can notice it in game, but just barely. If the ST60 had any more lag than this I'd probably return it for the W900, but thankfully it's not a deal breaker.
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Spent hours gaming on my ST60 this weekend and never noticed it. If it wasn't all over the Internet I never would have guessed it was there. I am sure some people are sensitive to it but I can't detect it for the life of me and I grew up on wired controllers and CRTs.

Funny how some people complain about a 30ms in input lag but are ok with wireless controllers and WIFI network connections. I'd have to imagine the combined latency of those two elements greatly exceed < 100ms you see with even the worse input lag. I get that you don't want to tack another 70ms on that but still...
 
CoG said:
Funny how some people complain about a 30ms in input lag but are ok with wireless controllers and WIFI network connections. I'd have to imagine the combined latency of those two elements greatly exceed < 100ms you see with even the worse input lag. I get that you don't want to tack another 70ms on that but still...
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Not funny.

Nobody who is concerned about input lag has their console hooked up with WIFI. Ethernet is the way to go.

And wireless controllers add about 8ms compared to a wired controller. Not that big of a deal. Everyone was concerned about this at the start of the generation but it ended up not being a big deal.

And with both next-gen controllers using new wireless technology that lag time will be cut down to probably 5ms or less. It is a non-issue at that point.
 
Huh Panasonic Germany announced today that they will extend the warranty for all ST60, GTW60, VTW60 and ZT60 models to 4 years. Pretty nice.
 
What are the chances of the 65" S60 getting a Black Friday or Christmas sale on Amazon?

I am looking for the best price on it.. just not sure if it would be better to wait until next year when stock is low and they're clearing them out — or jump on a BF deal.
 
Pocks said:
What are the chances of the 65" S60 getting a Black Friday or Christmas sale on Amazon?

I am looking for the best price on it.. just not sure if it would be better to wait until next year when stock is low and they're clearing them out — or jump on a BF deal.
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I'm waiting also (50 inch). People are saying they probably won't go down in price, but since there's no price increase yet, I'm just gonna wait until BF anyway. If they don't go down at all by then, I'll go ahead and bite.
 
BrokenEchelon said:
I went to Best Buy on Friday to look at the VT and ZT 65".

Couldn't tell a god damn difference between the two of them which means VT it is. Going to keep an eye on the prices for a while longer though.
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The difference seems to be incredibly minor per professional comparisons, with the biggest one being the ZT is better in a bright room (less glare) due to a better panel filter.
Colors and black levels are both at reference quality when tuned.
 
Picked up an Insignia 46" 1080p 60Hz TV today for $399. http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/prod...spx?path=577641d0240474673fae21cb4b21b565en02

Needed a larger screen + a 1080p upgrade for PS4 but I was on a tight budget. The sales guy at Best Buy told me Insignia uses last years Samsung Panel, and when I got it home and tried it out I am honestly super impressed for how much I paid. Definitely glad I didn't pay the extra $300 for a brand like Sony that I doubt would look much different. Looks amazing and only cost me $200 more after selling my old 32" for $200. The guy at Bestbuy even gave me the 4 year in-store warranty for $40 instead of the regular $120.

The bezel around the screen is very slim and the picture is crisp with both my PS3, and Laptop hooked up via HDMI (1080p resolution on more then my PC screen finally <3). Sound isn't to bad, but I am using tower speakers instead.

I would recommend it to anyone with a tight budget that needs 1080p for next gen!
Sincerely, Broke College Student
 
S60 bro checking in, I did the next gen TV upgrade right around the time The Last of Us came out. Now with the news that Panasonic is dropping their plasma line, it all seems like it was meant to be for me and this beautiful set. Really love what this plasma is capable of with respect to screen performance.
 
Since the Plasma line is meeting its end I advice anyone to upgrade in the next months and get one of the G or V series, especially when you live in Germany. There you'll get 4 years warranty and cashback.

Do it, you'll be wowed and amazed in ANY application you throw at those TVs.
 
I fucking hate that there is no S60 model here in Europe or a 55" GT60 one. For 55" my only options are the ST60, which has too much input lag, or the VT60, which is a little over my budget. :/

In the end I might get the 50" GT60, but I really want a bigger TV, since I'll be upgrading from a 40" 768p Bravia. What to do, what to do.
 
I just wanted to update an earlier poster who was interested in one of the mid range Sony Projectors as my Sony vpl-hw55es turned up last week, and I've only just had a chance to plug it in today for a test run (busy with work and I had to rewire the surround sound system).

Well, this thing is awesome, I've only really tested it out on Wipeout HD in 3D, and had a friend around to watch transformers dark of the moon in 3D (I'm a sucker for big bad hollywood films from time to time). Just out of the box with no calibration or tweaking at all and Wipeout HD looked fantastic, and felt pretty darn responsive, more so than my LG 50" Plasma set. And playing it in 3D on a 92" screen is just amazing. I did notice a little lag at first, but once set to it's gaming mode I can honestly say I didn't feel any; Although TBH I'm not as susceptible to input lag as some other folk are. Regarding the input lag, some reviews have the previous (vpl-hw50es) model timed at 16ms, others 34ms whilst in game mode, and until some reviews and tests of this piece of kit come out I've no way of knowing whether this has been improved on the newer model.

Out of the box the colours were really good, the blacks nice and dark, and with the game in 3D and watching the 3D movie there was very little crosstalk, just a few occasions during some hectic scenes in the film did I notice a tiny bit, but much less than on some very good TVs I've watched 3D films on.

I should be hooking the PC up to it this weekend, and hopefully setting it up properly (my floor isn't completely flat under the floor mounted projector, so needs the spirit level treatment). Hopefully the PC will run through it well too, I may have to get that there NVidia 3D software for a few games.

All in all I'm completely sold on this projector, and having that big screen just sucks you in so much. To cheezcake, this piece of kit gets a big thumbs up from me, I now can't wait till it gets professionally calibrated.
 
Hey just a question guys.

"50Hz Screen Refresh Rate"

Do Hz have to do with frame rate?
If for example I get a 50hz tv, would a 60fps game look weird on it?

Is there any point to get a 60+hz tv over a 50hz?

Im just looking into different tvs on sale and a lot of them are 50hz.
 
Sold my speakers so I can now buy the Sony W900A (and a new centre channel) for a good price. Should hopefully be a meaningful upgrade over my six-year-old 46" Samsung LCD.
 
Witchfinder General said:
Sold my speakers so I can now buy the Sony W900A (and a new centre channel) for a good price. Should hopefully be a meaningful upgrade over my six-year-old 46" Samsung LCD.
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I absolutely LOVE my W900A - best TV ever. Upgraded from a Samsung UN60ES6100 which I thought was good at the time.
 
Bishop89 said:
Hey just a question guys.

"50Hz Screen Refresh Rate"

Do Hz have to do with frame rate?
If for example I get a 50hz tv, would a 60fps game look weird on it?

Is there any point to get a 60+hz tv over a 50hz?

Im just looking into different tvs on sale and a lot of them are 50hz.
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There are no 50 Hz flat Panel TV's.
 
Lima said:
Just bought this one on Amazon. Should come in the mail tomorrow. Will let you guys know my thoughts on it.
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Sephon said:
I did the same thing, looking forward to it.
Although I'll be at the poorhouse if I get sick or can't work for a few days sometime in the coming 10 months.
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Mine won't come till next week since there wasn't a good time for me to get it delivered this week.

I'm thinking about getting Controlcal. I'm not sure how big of a benefit it will be on the VT60. I remember it being a great benefit for the Pioneer Kuros because it would unlock some hidden modes.

Also don't forget to run slides for the first 100 hours. It is a pain in the ass (did it with my kuro that broke during a move) but it will give you piece of mind when it comes to the picture quality.

A basic explanation is this: The phosphors in a plasma display age over time. They age the fastest (and really fast compared to the rest of its life) when the display is first used. You don't want your phosphors to all age their colors at different rates. Let me know if you want any help with this.

It's also recommended that you make sure for the first 200-300 hours that you not have any static images on the display for an extended time.
 
Any opinions on Panasonic TX-L42ET60B

I seen it on HotUKDeals for £550 with 5 Years Warranty. Don't really care for Smart TV or 3D features. Picture Quality and input lag is highly important for me.
 
KAL2006 said:
Any opinions on Panasonic TX-L42ET60B

I seen it on HotUKDeals for £550 with 5 Years Warranty. Don't really care for Smart TV or 3D features. Picture Quality and input lag is highly important for me.
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A friend of mine just got one of these, so my opinion is only based on limited viewing. But picture quality and the whole Smart TV feature set seemed really nice, and viewing angles seemed pretty good (not as good as Plasma of course) as did the 3D. When I was over at his house (on the day he bought it) we stuck some GTA V and Halo on, and the lag was a little poor to be honest, but he's told me since that there is a gaming mode that was hidden a little too well in the options which reduces it massively, he was contemplating returning it until he found that option. This review claims that it has 66ms of input lag in gaming mode, which is a little high in comparison to some other sets, especially some of the more recent Sony TVs.
 
any canadians out there have any recommendations for a low budget HDTV set that would work nicely for ps4/x1?

500ish


was checking out monitors too like BenQ
 
KAL2006 said:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-KDL42W654-42-inch-Widescreen-Freeview/dp/B00CALFJ4E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1383675136&sr=8-3&keywords=sony+w6

I'm about to pull the p,lunge on this. Is tis the TV everyone goes on about that has little inpute lag and great picture qulaity, making it perfect for gaming.

Model name is Sony KDL42W654
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That's the one with about 6ms-15ms of input lag (dependant on how you measure it. It also has full 4:4:4 reproduction, iirc some of the reviews I've seen say that there are TVs with slightly better picture quality and viewing angles, but none can really match it for gaming (at that price point of course). now that I have the projector I have been tempted to get rid of the 50" LG plasma that's in the bedroom and grab one of these instead, but I still really like the plasma for watching films, so I'm on the shelf.
 
myca77 said:
That's the one with about 6ms-15ms of input lag (dependant on how you measure it. It also has full 4:4:4 reproduction, iirc some of the reviews I've seen say that there are TVs with slightly better picture quality and viewing angles, but none can really match it for gaming (at that price point of course). now that I have the projector I have been tempted to get rid of the 50" LG plasma that's in the bedroom and grab one of these instead, but I still really like the plasma for watching films, so I'm on the shelf.
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Thanks, I'm gonna take the plunge, I even realised it's available in Argos so I don't have to order it from Amazon and can just pick it up.
 
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