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ReturnOfTheRAT said:
Sony 55W900A delivered and is software update date is being downloaded.

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This isn't even it's final form. More pictures later. And in the second pic that's a Panasonic 65VT10 which is still kicking ass..[/QUOTE]

How is Impulse mode on the set? Does it make the LCD dimmer than the plasma with it on?
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My 65VT60 is at the local distribution center. I'm supposed to get a call within 48 hours to schedule delivery.

I hope this TV works out better than the Samsung plasma I bought a few years back which buzzed like a fluorescent light when it was on.

Four Wude said:
For those of you that are in the market for 55"+ gaming HDTVs, please wait till tomorrow morning. Putting out another update on www.displaylag.com.
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Are you going to test any 2013 Panasonic plasmas outside of the notorious ST60?

Or I guess I could ask GAF, anybody own a VT60 and tried it with and without the Game Mode?
 
I just grabed a Bravia 55W800 and it is awesome. Latency is low, PQ is high.

Only negative would be the gloss finish on the screen, so not for bright rooms.

Overall, really happy with it and cannot wait to hook up the PS4!
 
I know everyone is asking these questions but quick recommendation if my tv is 5-7 years old. I have a 46 inch aquos. I'm looking for a 55 inch thin smart tv. 120htz with great picture with low latency. I'd say I'm willing to spend up to a 1000. Ive studied this thread but there's to many TV's I can't decide. Plz help ;(
 
My TV is getting long in the tooth and looking to upgrade. Anything above 40inch is good for me as I'll be about 6ft away at all times. Saw this samsung UN46EH5300 on wal-marts Black Friday ad and it seems to be pretty good fit as far as I can tell. Only thing is that it's 60hz but I don't really care about 120hz because with movies it just looks strange to me. Does it really make that much of a difference in gaming?

What do you think of the Tv?
 
Oh gosh, do we think the S60 will get back in stock at Amazon?

If I missed the boat there, I'm going to be incredibly upset.
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Pocks said:
Oh gosh, do we think the S60 will get back in stock at Amazon?

If I missed the boat there, I'm going to be incredibly upset.
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You better order it from some other place, before it disappears for good. Production is or will stop soon, and these TVs are becoming scarce quickly.
 
The Xtortionist said:
The S60's input lag is like 30ms. I doubt it would be noticeable. And IR is no big deal. I've gamed for hours on my S60 since I got it, no pixel orbiter, and no lasting IR. Only bout of IR I had was the Super Stardust logo on my PS3 for having it up a bit too long. Shortly after, I booted up Killzone 2 and couldn't see the IR during gameplay, only played it for 2-3 minutes and the IR was gone when I was done, so yeah. Played hours and hours of Arkham Origins and nothing retained. It's a non-factor imo.
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I can feel the input lag difference between my UT50 and W900a very easily when I game with a mouse or anything thats direct input. I probably would have a much harder time with a controller.

I've had a issues with IR on the UT50 with the bottom left icon in Mark of the Ninja. It's been there for a few weeks now. it's mostly faded away, but not entirely. IR is a real thing.
 
Input lag database has been updated with a small, but good update. The following Sony screens were tested for input lag:

(24″) Sony SVL24147CXB LED Touch PC

(32″) Sony KDL-32W650A LED HDTV

(65″) Sony KDL-65W850A 3D LED HDTV

(65″) Sony KDL-65S990A 3D LED HDTV

(55″) Sony XBR-55X850A 4K 3D LED HDTV

(65″) Sony XBR-65X850A 4K 3D LED HDTV

(65″) Sony XBR-65X900A 4K 3D LED HDTV

You can view the results here: http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/
 
Four Wude said:
Input lag database has been updated with a small, but good update. The following Sony screens were tested for input lag:

(24″) Sony SVL24147CXB LED Touch PC

(32″) Sony KDL-32W650A LED HDTV

(65″) Sony KDL-65W850A 3D LED HDTV

(65″) Sony KDL-65S990A 3D LED HDTV

(55″) Sony XBR-55X850A 4K 3D LED HDTV

(65″) Sony XBR-65X850A 4K 3D LED HDTV

(65″) Sony XBR-65X900A 4K 3D LED HDTV

You can view the results here: http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/
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need more 60-65" Panny Plasmas please.
 
I really want to get a new tv but I need something where I won't have to worry about burn in.

I have a really bad habit of leaving my tv on. I'd like a tv between 37 and 47 inches. Suggestions?
 
Any mid-range 42'' Plasma suggestions for a Euro-Gaffer? I am still debating on whether I should go for the ST60, everything sounds great but the 70ms or so of lag might prove to be a dealbreaker :/.
So are there any alternatives that are worth considering at a similar price range?
 
WHOAguitarninja said:
I can feel the input lag difference between my UT50 and W900a very easily when I game with a mouse or anything thats direct input. I probably would have a much harder time with a controller.

I've had a issues with IR on the UT50 with the bottom left icon in Mark of the Ninja. It's been there for a few weeks now. it's mostly faded away, but not entirely. IR is a real thing.
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The 50 series was more prone to IR than most other Panasonic plasmas in recent years. I own a GT60 and I have yet to see any IR whatsoever even after hours of playing the same game. I'm sure it's possible to get IR that doesn't fade right away on the latest plasmas as well if you really want to, but it seems that you really have to abuse the screen for that to happen.
 
My W900A is ready to pick up from the store. Can anyone who owns one tell what are the dimensions of the box it comes in? I need to be sure that it'll fit into the back of a 2006 Ford Focus.

Cheers.
 
Trojita said:
Correction: I measured the distance and I am sitting about 8.5-9 feet away from the TV. Apparently this is adequate for a 65" TV?
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THX recommended viewing distance for the most immersive experience is diagonal screen size divided by 0.84 to give distance in inches. So for a 65" screen that would give a viewing distance of 77" or just under 6.5 feet. But you could safely add a foot or two to that.

THX home theatre set up guidelines
 
Four Wude said:
Input lag database has been updated with a small, but good update. The following Sony screens were tested for input lag:

(24″) Sony SVL24147CXB LED Touch PC

(32″) Sony KDL-32W650A LED HDTV

(65″) Sony KDL-65W850A 3D LED HDTV

(65″) Sony KDL-65S990A 3D LED HDTV

(55″) Sony XBR-55X850A 4K 3D LED HDTV

(65″) Sony XBR-65X850A 4K 3D LED HDTV

(65″) Sony XBR-65X900A 4K 3D LED HDTV

You can view the results here: http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/
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I'm surprised that the W650A measured 30ms?

HDTVTest says the KDL-42W653A is only 14ms (Leo Bodnar), I thought the W6 models were all comparable.

My KDL-50W656A is definitely way below 30ms, too.
 
Lima said:
I do

65VT60

Do not play without game mode, easily goes up to 85ms.

42ms in game mode, both tested with Leo Bodnar on my own TV.
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HDTVtest.co.uk, who was part of the group of reviewers along with FourWude from Displaylag.com that decided on the standard they are using to test input lag, states that in the case of Plasma TV's that the old school camera test method is actually a better method than sugin the Leo Bodnar tester, and gives the more accurate display lag reading:

A plasma’s subframe, while not bright enough to trigger the photosensor, can readily be perceived by us in the sensorial feedback loop, thus accounting for the discrepancy between the displayed input lag figure and the actual responsiveness of a PDP. Ironically, the older stopwatch/camera method – though inconsistent – is capable of capturing subframes before they’re fully drawn (since it’s not limited by any luminance threshold, and the shutter speed is much higher than the panel refresh rate), and so more accurately reflects how responsive a PDP is. This is the reason why we continue to run both tests on most HDTVs we review despite the photo method being such a labour-intensive process.
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http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag

The link goes into far more detail, and the conversation is carried over into the comments as well. Maybe FourWude could chime in.

So if this correct, in game mode the VT60 is actually only at 23ms. I have a ZT60 (also 23ms), and have had it calibrated as well, but I'm am very nervous to game on it as even with over 500 hours on it, it is very prone to image retention and I actually have the Viera menu possibly burned in to the top left of the screen after leaving it up for no more than 15 minutes while calibrating my 3D settings. It's been there for 2 months now, and while faded, has not disappeared completely.

If anyone has a VT or ZT and could let me know if their experiences with long term image retention issues from gaming, especially HUDs, I'd appreciate it.
 
I really don't understand how one person can say image retention is no longer a problem, while another says he got it just from the built-in menu.
 
Zing said:
I really don't understand how one person can say image retention is no longer a problem, while another says he got it just from the built-in menu.
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Remember that Image Retention is temporary, even quick onset, long term retention goes away eventually, while burn in is permanent. All plasma's have image retention to some degree, sometimes just for a few seconds.

I think a lot of if just depends on the brand and the year made, or more accurately the panel used that year. The Kuro Elite, which were the gold standard of reference quality until the ZT, never had issues, at least in my experience. There was a period where Samsungs were just brutal in terms of IR and burn-in issues. I have had issues with two Panasonics over the last year, professionally calibrated, with contrast set in 67-74 range.

I have a good friend who runs a home theater install business, his experience over many years and many TV's and mine as well is that while some plasmas never have an issues no matter what you do to them, others do, no matter how much you baby them. To anyone who says IR or burn-in is no longer an issue, I'd say things have improved, but in no way are all plasmas free of risk.
 
ProtoChicken said:
HDTVtest.co.uk, who was part of the group of reviewers along with FourWude from Displaylag.com that decided on the standard they are using to test input lag, states that in the case of Plasma TV's that the old school camera test method is actually a better method than sugin the Leo Bodnar tester, and gives the more accurate display lag reading:



http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag

The link goes into far more detail, and the conversation is carried over into the comments as well. Maybe FourWude could chime in.

So if this correct, in game mode the VT60 is actually only at 23ms. I have a ZT60 (also 23ms), and have had it calibrated as well, but I'm am very nervous to game on it as even with over 500 hours on it, it is very prone to image retention and I actually have the Viera menu possibly burned in to the top left of the screen after leaving it up for no more than 15 minutes while calibrating my 3D settings. It's been there for 2 months now, and while faded, has not disappeared completely.

If anyone has a VT or ZT and could let me know if their experiences with long term image retention issues from gaming, especially HUDs, I'd appreciate it.
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If you've got a Wii U, the best test would be to put up the HTML timer in the browser and take a picture or high speed recording of the 2 screens. Mario jumping in NSMBU would also be a good comparator. Don't the iPhone 5 and 5S have a 60fps and 120fps recording mode? Any display that can match the U pad is good enough in my book.
 
Reallink said:
If you've got a Wii U, the best test would be to put up the HTML timer in the browser and take a picture or high speed recording of the 2 screens. Mario jumping in NSMBU would also be a good comparator. Don't the iPhone 5 and 5S have a 60fps and 120fps recording mode? Any display that can match the U pad is good enough in my book.
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Thanks. I was actually looking for info on IR or Burn-in issues while gaming with those two model TV's though, not the lag time. Appreciate it though.
 
Does anyone play on a monitor?
Instead of getting the VT60, I'm thinking of getting the ST60 for normal play, and buying a monitor for competitive play.
Looking at ASUS MX279H, Anybody have any experience with this monitor, or can recommend any good ones?
 
Unknown Soldier said:
Are you going to test any 2013 Panasonic plasmas outside of the notorious ST60?

Or I guess I could ask GAF, anybody own a VT60 and tried it with and without the Game Mode?
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ST60
Fast Camera Method: 47 ms
Leo Bonar: 74.5 ms

VT60
Fast Camera Method: 23 ms
Leo Bobnar: 41.5 ms


VT60's are good for gaming.
 
ProtoChicken said:
(...) some plasmas never have an issues no matter what you do to them, others do, no matter how much you baby them. To anyone who says IR or burn-in is no longer an issue, I'd say things have improved, but in no way are all plasmas free of risk.
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Sure, but burn-in, or predisposition to it, is a defect.

I happens on a select few, but if it does, complain for all it's worth. Shame the Plasmas re getting discontinued though, as that is narrowing down the timeframe to bitch and get another one free of charge.
FrankNitty said:
I have a ZT and haven't had any issues with long term IR, nor really IR in general.
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I don't know how it behaves out of the box, but it's pretty much a non-factor even in the entry point X60 series.

But there's a clear difference between the first 200 hours of normal use (sans-break-in) versus the rest. ZT's might have a factory break-in, being so expensive and practically build to order.


Also, I'm mad jealous of you because I can't afford one. ;) (congrats for the TV set, please cherish it)
 
lostinblue said:
Sure, but burn-in, or predisposition to it, is a defect.
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Agreed in full. Unfortunately for me, Panasonic does not see it that way. My arguments with them over the menu burn in on my ZT60 have gone nowhere and the tech that was sent out didn't change their mind. They insist I must have done something such as setting the panel brightness to 'high', the contrast to 100, and left the menu on for hours. For what's it worth, I have seen two other ZT's with either long duration IR or burn-in (don't know which yet of course and really, from an owners standpoint is there a difference between burn-in and IR that lasts for 4 months). I'm not new to plasma TV's, I love them, but I think I'm best off grabbing something cheap with low input lag like a Samsung UN40F5300 instead of risking ruining what is an otherwise amazing TV.

I did another test just for the hell of it. HALO 3 (first thing that fell out of my closet) for 30 minutes, panel brightness at mid, all controls including contrast at 50. Had IR that lasted for 20 minutes. My menu IR has dissipated over two months to the point where it only appears against pure white and light blue backgrounds, and even then you have to know where to look, but it's still there. I would be really nervous to play a game for 4 straight hours given those results. As I said the TV has well over 500 hours on it at this point. I've seen some discussion over whether there may be a correlation between achieving the ridiculous black levels that the ZT's have and burn in, but Pioneer didn't seem to have a problem with burn-in on the Kuro's, so I don't think that theory holds much water.
 
lostinblue said:
Sure, but burn-in, or predisposition to it, is a defect.

I happens on a select few, but if it does, complain for all it's worth. Shame the Plasmas re getting discontinued though, as that is narrowing down the timeframe to bitch and get another one free of charge.I don't know how it behaves out of the box, but it's pretty much a non-factor even in the entry point X60 series.

But there's a clear difference between the first 200 hours of normal use (sans-break-in) versus the rest. ZT's might have a factory break-in, being so expensive and practically build to order.


Also, I'm mad jealous of you because I can't afford one. ;) (congrats for the TV set, please cherish it)
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lol yeah I did a 150 hour break in for calibration purposes. you always get that initial temporary IR when something is on screen out of the box like after I did the set up but it lasted like 5 sec and was gone.

ZT's didn't have a factory break in to my knowledge

Yeah I'll cherish it for awhile since it is panasonics swan song. Pretty much going to continue to hold on to the 65ZT60 and 500M forever but do plan on replacing the ZT in 2 years I figure
 
Ok so I just bought a Vizio M3D550SL and its a very nice tv. I have been looking online for reviews and picture settings and can't find anything. Has anybody had any experience with this set or can help me find the right picture settings?
 
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