yea, be gentle. some people here did it flat with no issues but it's a risk. i'd recommend vertical or get someone to deliver it.
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yea, be gentle. some people here did it flat with no issues but it's a risk. i'd recommend vertical or get someone to deliver it.
Disclaimer for the 6003 models: They do not have any audio output.
Motion resolution/interpolation is a non-issue for the w900. Get the plasma if you are in a light controlled room or viewing a lot for a significant off-angled position. Get the w900 if you watch with light in the environment.
AlimNassor
Banned
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0071NWYP8/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://store.sony.com/32-class-31.5...cat-27-catid-All-W-Series-TVs?_t=pfm=category
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CI3BP06/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Can anyone tell me which will be the better model? I don't want a higher size because my room is tiny and can't fit anything in it. Help me Gaf you're my only hope.
http://store.sony.com/32-class-31.5...cat-27-catid-All-W-Series-TVs?_t=pfm=category
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CI3BP06/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Can anyone tell me which will be the better model? I don't want a higher size because my room is tiny and can't fit anything in it. Help me Gaf you're my only hope.
Gillian Seed
Banned
This one: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AWKBZQQ/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=14A6S9FLH4R62&coliid=I1W9V7RHIHC8PF Back Lit LED is much better than Edge Lit LED. Imo
Applesauce
Boom! Bitch-slapped!
When I had that problem with blacks being too dark on my VT60 it was one of those settings I changed but I can't remember, I am thinking it was panel brightness. It was only for games, playing through HDMI on a PC.
Can you elaborate on this? CNET rates its motion resolution as "Poor". http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-kdl-55w900a/4505-6482_7-35561946-2.html
EDIT: I guess it says max vs dejudder off. Any impact on gaming when keeping it at max?
Impulse motion flow on the w900 is the best motion on any LCD panel available and is nearer to Plasma in look. Only downfall is the drastic drop in brightness, but that shouldnt be a big deal for dark room viewing. Not sure how it affects lag in terms of Gaming tho.
yuck. any "motion" type processing is awful and should never be used. soap opera effect FTL
I wonder how much does motion resolution truly matter when nearly every game is smeared in motion blur of its own creation. Same deal with movies. That kind of thing only makes some pixel patterns look odd in old 2D NES games, from personal experience.
Impulse mode doesn't add any interpolation, there are no artifically added frames, no soap opera effect. It uses backlight scanning to increase motion resolution. The only drawback is considerable brightness reduction.
Impulse mode doesn't add any interpolation, there are no artifically added frames, no soap opera effect. It uses backlight scanning to increase motion resolution. The only drawback is considerable brightness reduction.
Aesius
Member
I'm pretty sure I got fucked on my 55" Vizio E550i-A0 from Amazon. I got it on the lightning deal on Black Friday, but it has some serious, serious issues with motion blur and color smearing.
Check out what Skyrim looks like when I move the camera:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b709cpN3KiM
I've seen other videos of motion blur on LEDs and none seem nearly as bad as mine. Did I get a defective set? I'm still within the return period for Amazon. Really thinking about sending this thing back.
Check out what Skyrim looks like when I move the camera:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b709cpN3KiM
I've seen other videos of motion blur on LEDs and none seem nearly as bad as mine. Did I get a defective set? I'm still within the return period for Amazon. Really thinking about sending this thing back.
Clear mode and the new impulse mode on bravias don't interpolate, they are very effective at increasing motion resolution
Except that the W900 does not do that at all under that setting.
Normally I agree, but Sony has some great motion smoothing. Enabling it on my XBR8 does not give a soap opera effect whatsoever. But I've looked at it on Samsung models and can't stand it.
Fun Factor
Formerly FTWer
You can always return it.
First thing, try enabling game mode or PC mode.
IF not, turn OFF anything in the menus like dynamic contrast, dynamic control, black adjust, motion anything. A lot of those cause added motion blur & motion artifacts.
Aesius
Member
Did all of that. Game mode is on and all post processing effects are off.
I'm actually noticing the purple ghosting/smear even while watching TV now.
rocksteady1983
Member
I had a sharp that did that back in the day. I'd return that for sure. Drove me insane.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
I know it's not a TV per se but I just installed a benq w1070 projector with a 120" fixed screen. Looks great.
Aesius
Member
Was it just a defective TV or a flaw in the design itself?
rocksteady1983
Member
im not sure to be honest. It had that same motion smearing/ghosting everywhere. I eventually sold the tv to a relative and never bought another sharp tv. I would hope it was just a defective tv though cause if all of those did that same thing that would be pretty unacceptable.
This is the set I got and I can't stand it. No outputs, only 2 HDMI and for me the picture is turrible. Color banding too much. Love the size, and when it looks good, it does look amazing. But a lot of the stuff I was viewing on it also looked bad. Maybe it was just my set. Congrats on the upgrade!
STILLethal
Member
Guys can anyone help me out here.
I just bought a Vizio m47i-a2
Love the TV but I'm trying to figure out the best picture settings to use for it when watching TV/movies and playing my PS3 and PC.
I tried searching google but can't find nothing.
someone please help if you have any good calibration settings or sites I can visit
I just bought a Vizio m47i-a2
Love the TV but I'm trying to figure out the best picture settings to use for it when watching TV/movies and playing my PS3 and PC.
I tried searching google but can't find nothing.
someone please help if you have any good calibration settings or sites I can visit
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Did you use break in slides at all? I am using the CNET settings and was having the same problem. I was just adjusting gamma (in the game) on a game by game basis, but after running slides for 20ish hours (ive just been doing it here and there), i noticed Ive had to go in and lower gamma in games. I think it's just part of the process.
For what it is worth, I just bought a 46" Samsung LED from bby.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/46-clas...211460&skuId=8346045&st=Samsung 46"&cp=1&lp=2
Was 579 last weekend. The TVs recommended here are too expensive so I got what I figured to be the next best thing. This tv is excellent for a great picture and nothing else (passes the savings on to you).
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/46-clas...211460&skuId=8346045&st=Samsung 46"&cp=1&lp=2
Was 579 last weekend. The TVs recommended here are too expensive so I got what I figured to be the next best thing. This tv is excellent for a great picture and nothing else (passes the savings on to you).
Vizio 60" LED arrived today. Testing out Pacific Rim Blu on it after a preliminary calibration with a Blu calibration disc. I turned off all post processing as well. It was actually making everything look unnatural. No banding from what I can tell. Will need to download a few calibration tools to check.
In any case, pretty happy with it so far. Sharp and crisp and the colors really pop even after I turned off Color Enhancement. Not bad for $678. Will try some games tomorrow. My allergies are killing me today.
In any case, pretty happy with it so far. Sharp and crisp and the colors really pop even after I turned off Color Enhancement. Not bad for $678. Will try some games tomorrow. My allergies are killing me today.
Trojita
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What settings are you using for PS4?
rocksolidaudio
Member
There are a bunch from Vizio for under $150. I bought one (sans sub SKU) during BF for $58 to put in the kitchen. Sounds decent.
ShipTheCheese
Member
Hey GAF, first timer in this thread here. Going to be purchasing a new TV soon, have about $2000(AU) to spend, and after doing some research I think I've got my eye set on the LG 60LN5710. Want to use it primarily for gaming and Blu-Ray, with the occasional non-hd tv watching.
Does anyone own one of these, what are your thoughts on it? I'm totally inexperienced and don't wanna blow 2 grand and make a huge mistake.
Does anyone own one of these, what are your thoughts on it? I'm totally inexperienced and don't wanna blow 2 grand and make a huge mistake.
IHaveCandy
Banned
The TV I ordered is specced to have a 28 ms response time, which is rated good by displaylag.com. But the TV it is replacing states it has a response time of 8 ms grey to grey. Is this grey to grey measuring a sort of fudged spec? Should I be worried about having 3x more latency now?
What were your plans? Were you going to use a sound bar as the centre speaker? If so, you could do a 5.1 discrete setup with pretty small satellites and a sub - might be more acceptable to your partner? I have a set of KEF eggs and they're really discreet.
Alternatively, if you think you can get away with a single sound bar, how about one that bounces around your room to create virtual surround?
I've been using a Samsung 8000 series Smart TV for about 6 months now for gaming and laptop HDMI out. My consensus:
- Fantastic colour balance, contrast and detailed blacks (once calibrated and off any of the standard "dynamic" shit). The picture, bar none, is better than any of the other Samsung sets (6 series and 5 series) that I have.
- Most of the smart TV and motion control features are useless.
- Sound is crisp and loud.
- No issues with response time that I see posters mentioning in this thread. With modern TVs this should never be an issue anyhow.
- Automotion/ LED motion Plus is a love it or hate it thing. Turn it off for gaming for sure or you will get artifacting. For movies and television it gives things that eerily real glaze.
- The inherent DLNA solution for media streaming works flawlessly on a 5G network.
- My biggest gripe is that there was a bit of LED bleed around the edges. This has increased to patches of luminescence that can be spotted during dark movies. I actually have a technician coming to look at it on Tuesday and liked take it in for exchange or repair.
All in all, I am happy with the set despite the bleed issue. I wonder if this is a problem with LED technology in its infancy (commercially). I have not noticed this with the new Samsung 4K sets, though that is only through observance in a showroom and not through personal use.
- Fantastic colour balance, contrast and detailed blacks (once calibrated and off any of the standard "dynamic" shit). The picture, bar none, is better than any of the other Samsung sets (6 series and 5 series) that I have.
- Most of the smart TV and motion control features are useless.
- Sound is crisp and loud.
- No issues with response time that I see posters mentioning in this thread. With modern TVs this should never be an issue anyhow.
- Automotion/ LED motion Plus is a love it or hate it thing. Turn it off for gaming for sure or you will get artifacting. For movies and television it gives things that eerily real glaze.
- The inherent DLNA solution for media streaming works flawlessly on a 5G network.
- My biggest gripe is that there was a bit of LED bleed around the edges. This has increased to patches of luminescence that can be spotted during dark movies. I actually have a technician coming to look at it on Tuesday and liked take it in for exchange or repair.
All in all, I am happy with the set despite the bleed issue. I wonder if this is a problem with LED technology in its infancy (commercially). I have not noticed this with the new Samsung 4K sets, though that is only through observance in a showroom and not through personal use.
ShipTheCheese
Member
Okay I did a bit more research and am now looking at the Panasonic Vierra TH P60ST60a. I think I would have to compare it in stores with the LG led lcd I mentioned before. What do you guys think?
Since this is a tech thread, maybe it should be cleared up that LED is not a display technology, its backlighting. You have LCDs with CCFL (cathode tubes along the edges of the screen), LCDs with LEDs (also in along the edges of the screen) or LCDs with a full array of LEDs behind it.
Or have I perhaps missed something and have LEDs already started to be used as a display tech, and gotten cheap? That would be quite the miracle.
It's also weird, that displaylag.com would list LED as a display tech. All the displays listed as LED are just LCD's with LED backlighting.In fact, most are just TN LCD panels, worse than IPS, heh.
So to be clear, current TV's marketed as 'LED' are normal LCD's with LED backlighting.
Or have I perhaps missed something and have LEDs already started to be used as a display tech, and gotten cheap? That would be quite the miracle.
It's also weird, that displaylag.com would list LED as a display tech. All the displays listed as LED are just LCD's with LED backlighting.In fact, most are just TN LCD panels, worse than IPS, heh.
So to be clear, current TV's marketed as 'LED' are normal LCD's with LED backlighting.
Don't judge based on that. You won't be watching tv with it on the floor and you standing above it. Looking at it in unusual viewing scenarios and drawing some conclusion about the quality of the set makes no sense.
The marketing of the OEMs has quite effectively convinced people that they are in fact different techs, which annoys me to no end. I would assume most here understand the reality, but if nothing else it makes for a handy shorthand instead of saying LCD with LED backlight all the time.
littlepooch21
Member
yeah i got the Sony CT660 last week and it rocks. played some COD on PS4 and also tried out a movie and the sound was great.
Hold up, those Dnice settings are for the ST60 only. He never made settings for the s60
IHaveCandy
Banned
So how should I feel about this 28 ms input lag? It has a "game mode" if that helps.
28ms is great. No worries
Who cares what they are called at this point. There are currently very few LCDs that aren't LEDs. It must be marketing evil-doing!
I have the same set (60") but don't get any bleed on the edges. Also, the "eerily real glaze" is the soap opera affect that you can turn off by adjusting your AutoMotionPlus settings (just putting it on Clear will resolve most issue). Some people really like the soap opera affect because of that 'reality glaze' and it can be argued that it is technically superior to the 24fps of typical film/drama. However, most of us have been conditioned to 24fps ("film cadence") so it just looks weird. Enough people seem to like it that even plasmas which don't need motion interpolation are putting options in there to turn it on and, in fact, "on" is the default setting for those sets.
So my VT60 is getting some pretty strong IR as of late. Especially with the Xbox 'orb' on the top-right of the Xbox One Home Screen. Hasn't faded after several hours (although the retention is extremely light, to be fair).
Even the synch bar on Assassin's Creed 4 creates IR after just a couple of hours.
Is this normal or should I send it back? Using dynamic picture settings and it's only a week old, so could it settle over time?
Even the synch bar on Assassin's Creed 4 creates IR after just a couple of hours.
Is this normal or should I send it back? Using dynamic picture settings and it's only a week old, so could it settle over time?
Original plan was the 5.1 Vizio sound bar with works sub and 2 satellite. But with our apartment the would be on stands just a few feet from the door. Might be weird. That setup wood have been 275. The TV is a 60 Vizio.
lostinblue
Banned
How many operation hours?
NEVER, and I mean NEVER, use Dynamic mode in the break-in period, even after that you'll be murdering the image quality of any set in existence (not just on plasmas), but within the break-in period it's a truly criminal thing to do on a Plasma.
Because (Dynamic mode) on top of being a stinking pile of utter shit IQ-wise it's also bumping the brightness and contrast of the set, remember the only few rules to breaking a plasma in these days are:
It's trully only two rules, avoid static imagery for long periods by mostly seeing stuff without bars and logos and in the situations you are throwing that out of the window... using the contrast and brightness in moderation, specially for the situations that have bars or logos, this rule is in place for refular TV and Gaming precisely due to them, see... it's a failsafe mechanism.
Also, those can be ignored, the fact I abused my last plasma from the moment it came out of the box can't be said enough, you can play and all that, but you have to know what you're doing, and if not, please follow rules as if it is a newfound religion. Considering you're using dynamic I can only muster you don't know what you're doing (but good thing you asked, that can't be said enough).
You should run Pixel Jogger at this point, with those habits (I'd say revise them, but...) at least get on with the break-in before abusing it that way; it'll help cleanse the IR in the process and later on you can use dynamic all you want; I just hope you won't want to, because it sucks so much balls and you will realize it soon enough.
It's like turning on Dynamic Volume/EQ on a HiFi and expecting anything other than completely murdering the original source.