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Jealous of all you new plasma owners. Still rocking the 42" pz85. Still a nice set and I'm glad it's working just fine, but I'm lusting after those inky blacks. Was always envious of the Kuros back then but they were way out of my budget. Might be in the market for a TV next year, I just hope Samsung is still in the game.
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My friend kept that TV after upgrading. The news of Panasonic ending production pushed him over.

The Samsung plasmas are ok--I have a 42 inch from 07 that's basically a computer monitor. Its aged definitely, but can still put out a good picture.

I probably will look into the 85 incher next year, but I'm holding onto my panasonics for a looooong time.

2. Regarding my ps3 and ps4, should I set them to 1080p or "automatic" ? Does the tv or the consoles automatically change the resolution depending what the game resolution is?
Also that rgb full limited thing, what should that be set on? Any other settings I should b aware of on the consoles?
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Full can make the blacks too dark for the PS3 at least. Go Limited first and see how you like it.
 
I'm looking for a 32''-42'' 1080p TV I think I'm gonna go for LED. Which company has the best quality guys? Right now I'm deciding between Samsung model UN39FH5000FXZA (or UN39EH5003 if refurbished is trustworthy) and an LG 39LN5300. Any idea which is better?
 
404Ender said:
Is that the same as the W900? If so, I'm having trouble deciding between that or an ST/VT60 (ST vs VT just depends on what I can find in what sizes online/in-store)
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JB1981 said:
Saw it in the store today. One of the most stunning Tvs ive ever seen. The image quality is incredible. Looks soo much better than my plasma
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WHOAguitarninja said:
Best all around TV I've ever owned.
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torontoml said:
Just bought it yesterday, love it.
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Irnbru said:
I'm buying it in a week. I say yes.
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Mattlikewhoa said:
I say yes...
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Thanks GAF. Gonna take the hit on it now, hopefully it is going to be a huge difference over my 5 year old 720p Samsung :P

I can't find the W900 in the UK, maybe the W900 is the US variant of the W905?
 
So I'm thinking of replacing my current TV with a new Plasma. Never had a plasma before so I've got a few questions.

1. I've read about the image burn-in, but I thought that was fixed years ago. Or is this still a problem with the new series?

2. How bad is the image degradation of plasma TVs? Is it even there, will I notice it?

3. How does a brand like LG and Samsung fare against Panasonic in terms of plasma screens?
 
Caayn said:
So I'm thinking of replacing my current TV with a new Plasma. Never had a plasma before so I've got a few questions.

1. I've read about the image burn-in, but I thought that was fixed years ago. Or is this still a problem with the new series?

2. How bad is the image degradation of plasma TVs? Is it even there, will I notice it?

3. How does a brand like LG and Samsung fare against Panasonic in terms of plasma screens?
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1. Burn-in (which is permanent) can happen yes, but you have to be a really abusive father for that to happen. I'm talking about leaving a game paused, or a static dvd menu for hours upon hours. However, I believe you are talking about Image Retention (which is temporary) and judging from the comments here, image retention does happen (if it's a Plasma, then there will be IR), but it goes away quickly when you change scenes assuming the image retained wasn't in a fixed position for hours. Which in that case could take longer to be washed away.

2. According to CNET and other sites, the life expectancy of a current Panny Plasma is 100,000 hours, which is roughly 11 years with the TV on 24 hours a day before the panel starts to lose its quality.

3. I don't know about LG, but according to the comments here, Panasonic Plasmas have richer blacks and colors, and samsung plasmas have more brightness and less Image Retention.
 
lostinblue said:
You definitely did, but let me say this... Rising blacks on Panasonic PDP series 10 is NOT due to the degradation of the panel itself. It's Panasonic software shenanigans:

-> http://panasonic.mironto.sk/

By factory default, the panel rises 0.03 Cd/m2 after just 200 hours of operation.

They only fixed that on series 30, and via a firmware upgrade, sadly they didn't do the same thing for 10 and 20 series despite the fact they could.

But you can make it return to the original values nonetheless; by reseting the hour counter every once in a while; not ideal, yes... But I gotta say that a V10 kinda deserves it still.
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I have a TC-P42S1 that I never use cause of the rising black levels. It looks so bad. I am going to attempt the fix on that site ASAP. I will try to get a before and after shot lol.
 
So there is no workaround for the 1080p pixel direct mode sharpening everything too much on the Panasonic plasma TVs other than photo mode? I'd probably leave it off if it was just an issue for my PC connection but it makes a difference with the PS4 as well.
 
So anyone got expectations for how cheap the 55w900a may get once ces comes and next year's models start rolling out?

I don't know what price point should be reasonable to hold out for, but the current ~$2000 range is too much, especially since I could alternatively go for the 55vt60 around ~$1600.
 
Hindl said:
I'm looking for a 32''-42'' 1080p TV I think I'm gonna go for LED. Which company has the best quality guys? Right now I'm deciding between Samsung model UN39FH5000FXZA (or UN39EH5003 if refurbished is trustworthy) and an LG 39LN5300. Any idea which is better?
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Bumping for suggestions
 
Hindl said:
I'm looking for a 32''-42'' 1080p TV I think I'm gonna go for LED. Which company has the best quality guys? Right now I'm deciding between Samsung model UN39FH5000FXZA (or UN39EH5003 if refurbished is trustworthy) and an LG 39LN5300. Any idea which is better?
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Panasonic, Sony, LG.
 
ReyVGM said:
1. Burn-in (which is permanent) can happen yes, but you have to be a really abusive father for that to happen. I'm talking about leaving a game paused, or a static dvd menu for hours upon hours. However, I believe you are talking about Image Retention (which is temporary) and judging from the comments here, image retention does happen (if it's a Plasma, then there will be IR), but it goes away quickly when you change scenes assuming the image retained wasn't in a fixed position for hours. Which in that case could take longer to be washed away.

2. According to CNET and other sites, the life expectancy of a current Panny Plasma is 100,000 hours, which is roughly 11 years with the TV on 24 hours a day before the panel starts to lose its quality.

3. I don't know about LG, but according to the comments here, Panasonic Plasmas have richer blacks and colors, and samsung plasmas have more brightness and less Image Retention.
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Thanks. I meant Burn-in with my first question ;) Good to hear that that's, practically, a thing of the past. The only thing that are on my screen for longer periods of time is the HUD from games, so that won't be a problem.

Currently looking at the Panasonic Viera TX-P42ST60E and the LG 50PN6504 the biggest difference seems like the number of inputs and the LG doesn't support 3D which I don't care about it. The price difference is pretty big, so there must be something that makes else that makes the LG that much cheaper than the Panasonic.
 
Picked up a sony n7100 home theatre system today to go with my new w9.

Fucking
Love it

I'll add my voice to the many praising this tv, coming from my 5 year old samsung LCD the picture is amazing and the sound is great from ht system. Very pleased right now.
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Sorry the room's a bit dark!
 
Caayn said:
Currently looking at the Panasonic Viera TX-P42ST60E and the LG 50PN6504 the biggest difference seems like the number of inputs and the LG doesn't support 3D which I don't care about it.
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The ST60 has horrible input lag. If you play online games or games that require precision like FPS or fighting games, then don't get that model. Some people hear say they don't notice the input lag, others do. So, it's up to you.

The price difference is pretty big, so there must be something that makes else that makes the LG that much cheaper than the Panasonic.
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Yes, that not all plasma panels are made equal and Panasonic Plasma's have the best image quality above everyone else. I suggest going with Panasonic.
 
Caayn said:
Thanks. I meant Burn-in with my first question ;) Good to hear that that's, practically, a thing of the past. The only thing that are on my screen for longer periods of time is the HUD from games, so that won't be a problem.

Currently looking at the Panasonic Viera TX-P42ST60E and the LG 50PN6504 the biggest difference seems like the number of inputs and the LG doesn't support 3D which I don't care about it. The price difference is pretty big, so there must be something that makes else that makes the LG that much cheaper than the Panasonic.
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LG plasmas are complete garbage. Don't even look at them. ST60 is in a completely different class.
 
Bishop89 said:
Bought the 55" w900a yesterday, super happy with it, especially coming off a 32" viera. Its going to give new life to all my ps3 games.

Few Question.
1. Are default settings ok or should I get it calibrated? picture looks great to me already.
Only thing ive changed was sharpness to "0" as I remember everyone saying I should do so, or should I put it back to 50?

I also changed the mode to "game/gaming" which I assume stays in that mode no matter what im doing "tv, bluray, etc.."

2. Regarding my ps3 and ps4, should I set them to 1080p or "automatic" ? Does the tv or the consoles automatically change the resolution depending what the game resolution is?
Also that rgb full limited thing, what should that be set on? Any other settings I should b aware of on the consoles?
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1. The Scene Select setting is separate for each input, but the picture settings can be applied to all inputs by selecting Common at the top. I'm currently using these settings: http://www.avforums.com/threads/sony-kdl-40w905a-reviewers-recommended-best-settings.1786198/
Except I use game-original and Motionflow off. Looks great once you get used to the yellowness of Warm 2. Personally I don't see any difference between cinema and game with the same settings, just less input lag and a few less options available. If you're playing a game with solid 60 fps you can try using Motionflow Impulse to get rid of the motion blur but you'll need to crank up the backlight and contrast, and you get 60hz CRT-style flickering. Might not be worth it.

2. Just set it to 1080p. The difference between full and limited is small, the important thing is to have the same setting on the TV as the source otherwise it will look awful. I left the TV on auto and it seems to be detecting everything accurately. Apparently some hdmi pass-through receivers may not send the right flags through and then you'll need to set it manually. Other than that, keep the TV on auto and the PS3 on whatever.
 
Lostconfused said:
So there is no workaround for the 1080p pixel direct mode sharpening everything too much on the Panasonic plasma TVs other than photo mode? I'd probably leave it off if it was just an issue for my PC connection but it makes a difference with the PS4 as well.
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Set Sharpness to 0?

I haven't noticed any problems with 1080p Pure Direct on my VT60.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
Set Sharpness to 0?

I haven't noticed any problems with 1080p Pure Direct on my VT60.
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He probably has a ST60.
tinabina said:
I have a TC-P42S1 that I never use cause of the rising black levels. It looks so bad. I am going to attempt the fix on that site ASAP. I will try to get a before and after shot lol.
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I look forward to seeing your results.

I myself am in the process of applying that reset to a plasma I have at home, but haven't got to do it yet.
 
Anyone in here that happens to have a Panasonic ST60? How is the input lag? Do you notice it during games?
ReyVGM said:
The ST60 has horrible input lag. If you play online games or games that require precision like FPS or fighting games, then don't get that model. Some people hear say they don't notice the input lag, others do. So, it's up to you.



Yes, that not all plasma panels are made equal and Panasonic Plasma's have the best image quality above everyone else. I suggest going with Panasonic.
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Sorry very dumb of me to completely forget that. Just did a quick search on the inputlag some claim a delay of 80ms while others say it's 45ms. My current tv has an inputlag of around the 30ms.

I know that my parents Philips TV has an insane input lag with ambilight and every effect turned on, will see if I can test some different stuff on their TV and how it affects me during the games. Because in the end it's going to be used for gaming mainly :P
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LG plasmas are complete garbage. Don't even look at them. ST60 is in a completely different class.
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Was afraid of that. Explains the cheap price of the LG screens.
 
H_Prestige said:
Correct. When you're watching a bluray, switch to 96hz for smoother playback. This isn't the soap opera effect, it's just displaying films in their natural cadence like in the movie theater. Having said that, the judder at 60hz is pretty subtle, perhaps even undetectable on the newer sets, so you might not even notice a difference.
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How do you switch to 96hz on a VT60?
 
So I've had my W900A for a few months now and I absolutely love it, it's a really great TV. However just in the last few days it's turned itself off, and back on a few times...this is what my 6 year-old Samsung LCD was doing in the last few years I had it.

I'll see how it goes for now but if it keeps it up I'll have to take the fucking thing back I suppose. It would be lucky to have had 100 hours of use so far.
 
Otakumegane said:
Are settings for movies and games usually different when calibrating TVs?
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Proper calibration is for film/tv.
You can't really calibrate for games as there is no universal video standard for the industry. It'd have to be game to game tweaks.

For the most part it is fine, some games might be a little too dark though so I'll bump up the in game brightness setting slightly.
 
I ordered a 40" sammy a couple day ago. Does anyone have a Samsung F6400 ?

Im alittle worried about the 43ms input lag in "Game mode", and 40ms in "PC mode"
My current tv only has 18ms.... I can always swap it for a Sony W653 if the sammy sucks.
 
Insane Metal said:
Are you guys excited for CES 2014? It's in one week!
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No. It's going to be 4k mania (no thanks to upscaled 720p/1080p consoles) and a couple $5000+ OLED's. I am looking forward to affordable 32" - 40" 4k Monitors/TV's for PC use though. Samsung's PDP's will probably be effective rebadges of the F series in sizes I can't use (need a non-pentile 55" or 60") with 70+ms of lag.
 
Reallink said:
No. It's going to be 4k mania (no thanks to upscaled 720p/1080p consoles) and a couple $5000+ OLED's. I am looking forward to affordable 32" - 40" 4k Monitors/TV's for PC use though. Samsung's PDP's will probably be effective rebadges of the F series in sizes I can't use (need a non-pentile 55" or 60") with 70+ms of lag.
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Pretty much. 4K madness, expensive OLEDs with their fair share of problems, no new Panasonic plasmas. Worst CES for affordable TVs ever. :(
 
Reallink said:
No. It's going to be 4k mania (no thanks to upscaled 720p/1080p consoles) and a couple $5000+ OLED's. I am looking forward to affordable 32" - 40" 4k Monitors/TV's for PC use though. Samsung's PDP's will probably be effective rebadges of the F series in sizes I can't use (need a non-pentile 55" or 60") with 70+ms of lag.
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Yea, not really excited about this CES especially with Sony/Panasonic focusing 4k and less on OLED.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
There's a problem with 1080p Pure Direct on the ST60?
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There is:

(...) also a [1080p Pixel Direct] feature. This is where it gets truly weird. On Panasonic’s spec sheets, the ST60 series apparently doesn’t have this feature, but it’s here in the menu. Don’t get too excited though, because it’s not usable! Turning this feature on results in truly heinous sharpening, causing white halos and aliasing to appear in the picture. There is nothing “Direct” about that. On older Panasonic flat-screen HDTVs, a similarly named option resulted in higher chroma bandwidth (extra tiny coloured details being made visible rather than being blurred out). The good news is that on the ST60, that level of colour resolution is there by default. In other words, there is no need to use [1080p Pixel Direct].

(...)

If you’re using a PC with the TX-P42ST60B, you can get full 4:4:4 chroma by using the [1080p Pixel Direct] mode, which on its own will result in large edge halos. These can be defeated by setting the “HDMI Content Type” for that input to “Photo”, although this may have an impact on colour accuracy with some content (it appears to make no difference for RGB content from computers, but changes colour decoding with YCbCr video, like what is commonly output by set-top boxes and disc players).
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Source: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42st60-201303312779.htm

I suspect it happens on TV's whose chips are the Mediatek 5590, but it sure as hell doesn't happen on VT60.
 
Just bit the bullet and ordered a Sony KDL42W654. Coincidentally this thread came up! I'm hoping gaf approves my choice, is meant to be very low lag latency and have a pretty boss picture.

Does anyone know if you can play video files off a usb on it?
 
Unknown Soldier said:
There's a problem with 1080p Pure Direct on the ST60?
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It's an S60, I have no idea if ST60 has the same issue or not. It's labeled "1080p Pixel Direct" and it does correctly display a 4:4:4 signal but it also enables some form of post processing by default where the entire image becomes overly sharpened. The only option is to switch to a different post processing method that doesn't sharpen the image, however it messes with the color gamut setting.

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There is:
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Ah there we are, yup that got it covered. It certainly gets rid of chroma subsampling when hooked up to a PC and even the PS4 so extremely fine detail looks nice and sharp but yes photo mod introduces a certain amount of lag and messes with color reproduction.
 
Caayn said:
So I'm thinking of replacing my current TV with a new Plasma. Never had a plasma before so I've got a few questions.

1. I've read about the image burn-in, but I thought that was fixed years ago. Or is this still a problem with the new series?

2. How bad is the image degradation of plasma TVs? Is it even there, will I notice it?

3. How does a brand like LG and Samsung fare against Panasonic in terms of plasma screens?
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I haven't personally had burn in on any of the plasma sets I've owned over the years, but the image retention was bad on a few of the Panasonic sets I had owned. Samsung is the best when it comes to this (I found).

I wouldn't worry about that. You wouldn't really notice the set getting darker till well into the life cycle of the unit.

LG makes rather cheap plasma sets. The glare and reflections are TERRIBLE. It was so bad that my wife (who could care less) commented on how bad the reflection was on them (while we were at the store).

Stick to Panasonic and Samsung. Samsung models are brighter, and have a lot less IR then the Panasonic models I've owned over the years. The black levels on both of their high end units were rather close (to my eyes).

RoboPlato said:
I hope that for 2014 there's something between the 5500 and 8500 but I doubt it given how much of a decrease in competition there will be. 8500 is out of price range but 5500's performance doesn't sound up to snuff for me. Bang for the buck is a big deal to me.
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The way they have their current models structured, I don't think they will... It's kinda all or nothing with them when it comes to their plasma models.

Insane Metal said:
Are you guys excited for CES 2014? It's in one week!
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I am... Bring on 4K front projectors under $10K and 65" 4K tv's under $4K please and thank you...
 
Can somebody explain to me the difference between the VT60, VT60E, VTW60 and VTW60E models of the 2013 Panasonic 50" plasma line? Is it just the normal VT60 that's named differently in different EU countries?
 
Lostconfused said:
But I don't want to get a colorimeter and do all the heavy lifting, why can't the internet provide me with an easy way out. Honestly I am more concerned with the increase in input lag this introduces.
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It introduces input lag? Where are you reading this stuff? Everything I've read points to 4:4:4 mode reducing input lag...

404Ender said:
Does the VT60 have similar input lag as the ST60?
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It's supposed to be less, but I have a ST; and as I've posted before I couldn't perceive it in a fast twitchy racing game.
 
televator said:
It introduces input lag? Where are you reading this stuff? Everything I've read points to 4:4:4 mode reducing input lag...
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I believe it does increase it yeah.

Otherwise it would be enabled by default; plasmas have color quantization amongst lots of other things going on, I can only imagine 4:4:4 gives the processing engine more work to pull on top of it all.

ST60's in particular seem to be stretching it from the get go; I mean, they're feature complete but lagged.
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Turn off any orbital shifter or pixel shifter to see if that helps. Otherwise, sit further away?
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Yup, Pixel Direct Enabled, P-NR OFF and Pixel Orbiter in Auto.

In some sets changing from Game to Cinema or Pro/Custom also helps.
 
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