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i am loving my p60, looks amazing for games and movies.... but it really sucks as a computer monitor. my old samsung 720p plasma worked better for that.
 
Myth or Fact?

Bought a Panasonic ST60 at BestBuy and I'm going to pick it up.
There is no way I can stand this thing vertically in my car. Is it really bad to lay it on its side??
 
The Chef said:
Myth or Fact?

Bought a Panasonic ST60 at BestBuy and I'm going to pick it up.
There is no way I can stand this thing vertically in my car. Is it really bad to lay it on its side??
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http://forums.cnet.com/7723-7596_102-344960/transporting-my-new-plasma-tv-flat-on-its-back/

"an lcd or led can lay anyway you want a plasma however contains phosphorous gas to create an image laying it down disperses the gas making the image distorted and odd colored. once that happens you either buy a new tv or spend around $3000 to fix it."

Also talks about torsional forces and the thin glass. Probably should have this baby shipped to you.

NO idea how this applies to your TV but:

"For anyone unsure about placing a plasma on its side. I just picked up a plasma TV and mentioned to the salesperson that due to the size of the screen that I would need to lay it flat to get it in my car and get it home. He said it would be fine, in fact he said that they are shipped to the store horizontally. All four of the sales people agreed and said it is an old wife's tale that plasmas can't be placed or transported on their sides. The only caution was not to power it up for two hours after standing it back up. WRONG!! The screen has about 6 or 7 long cracks on the internals glass. TV ruined."
 
ZealousMonkey said:
http://forums.cnet.com/7723-7596_102-344960/transporting-my-new-plasma-tv-flat-on-its-back/

"an lcd or led can lay anyway you want a plasma however contains phosphorous gas to create an image laying it down disperses the gas making the image distorted and odd colored. once that happens you either buy a new tv or spend around $3000 to fix it."

Also talks about torsional forces and the thin glass. Probably should have this baby shipped to you.

NO idea how this applies to your TV but:

"For anyone unsure about placing a plasma on its side. I just picked up a plasma TV and mentioned to the salesperson that due to the size of the screen that I would need to lay it flat to get it in my car and get it home. He said it would be fine, in fact he said that they are shipped to the store horizontally. All four of the sales people agreed and said it is an old wife's tale that plasmas can't be placed or transported on their sides. The only caution was not to power it up for two hours after standing it back up. WRONG!! The screen has about 6 or 7 long cracks on the internals glass. TV ruined."
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Holy crap. Glad I asked.
Thanks
 
what are the the best tv deals for cyber monday?

BF was boring at retail bunch of 40" samsungs at Best Buy laying around

my eyes are not impressed by that size anymore 55" or more is what I want
 
The Chef said:
Myth or Fact?

Bought a Panasonic ST60 at BestBuy and I'm going to pick it up.
There is no way I can stand this thing vertically in my car. Is it really bad to lay it on its side??
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Fact. The pressure from the glass along with vibrations from the car ride will cause cracks. This is why all freight deliveries are upright. Anyone who tells you differently are clueless.
 
The Chef said:
Myth or Fact?

Bought a Panasonic ST60 at BestBuy and I'm going to pick it up.
There is no way I can stand this thing vertically in my car. Is it really bad to lay it on its side??
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I had to do the same thing with the VT60 I got a couple weeks ago. I thought I could stand it up in the SUV but it was too large. Had to put it on its side. I was terrified but I got home and there were no cracks. I figured if something happened I would just bitch at BB and have them deliver me a replacement. I'm positive I just got lucky and I think next time I'll just have it delivered.
 
waiting on my s60 from sears to come in, also go the disney wow dvd with it. Is that all I need calibration wise, or should I do more?
 
The Chef said:
Myth or Fact?

Bought a Panasonic ST60 at BestBuy and I'm going to pick it up.
There is no way I can stand this thing vertically in my car. Is it really bad to lay it on its side??
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A bit of both.

I work at Best Buy and I recommend to not lie plasmas flat while transporting because of the risk of cracking the unsupported pane of glass. I, personally, took my open box (no box) plasma home lying flat on its back without any problems. If you don't live too far (I lived 10 minutes away) and can avoid taking the interstate or unusually uneven highways, you should be fine if you're careful.
 
ZealousMonkey said:
http://forums.cnet.com/7723-7596_102-344960/transporting-my-new-plasma-tv-flat-on-its-back/

"an lcd or led can lay anyway you want a plasma however contains phosphorous gas to create an image laying it down disperses the gas making the image distorted and odd colored. once that happens you either buy a new tv or spend around $3000 to fix it."

Also talks about torsional forces and the thin glass. Probably should have this baby shipped to you.

NO idea how this applies to your TV but:

"For anyone unsure about placing a plasma on its side. I just picked up a plasma TV and mentioned to the salesperson that due to the size of the screen that I would need to lay it flat to get it in my car and get it home. He said it would be fine, in fact he said that they are shipped to the store horizontally. All four of the sales people agreed and said it is an old wife's tale that plasmas can't be placed or transported on their sides. The only caution was not to power it up for two hours after standing it back up. WRONG!! The screen has about 6 or 7 long cracks on the internals glass. TV ruined."
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It doesn't matter. Well it can but I can say with a good amount of reliability that it probably got shipped on its side, depending on the size. It maybe had other tvs stacked on top of it as well in transport.
 
LiK said:
Fact. The pressure from the glass along with vibrations from the car ride will cause cracks. This is why all freight deliveries are upright. Anyone who tells you differently are clueless.
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Transported a tv 55 miles from the store while it was laying on its back, no cracks when i got it there or when i had to return it. Just depends on how careful you are.
 
Skittles said:
Transported a tv 55 miles from the store while it was laying on its back, no cracks when i got it there or when i had to return it. Just depends on how careful you are.
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Just because you got away with it doesn't make it a good idea.

Don't lay the tv flat if you can possibly avoid it.
 
This is my old tv :
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This is my new tv :
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I have an audio-related question that hopefully some TV aficionados can answer.

I have a TV and Home Receiver. I have seven devices I want to plug in (PS3, PS4, PC, Wii U, Xbox 360, Apple TV and Cable Box): my Home Theater receiver has four HDMI ports, my TV has four more.

While that is enough to plug in all my devices, the issue here is getting surround sound output, which can only be done if the device is directly plugged into the receiver. The receiver also has an optical audio port, but only one (and it's currently being used by the cable box, which is plugged into the TV).

So I'm trying to find an elegant solution to getting surround sound from all of these devices. I have a manual optical audio switcher, but that would be a pain to have to manually switch every time. I'm thinking of getting a digital optical audio switcher, but don't know any cheap-yet-functional brands.

I also have a digital HDMI switcher that I thought would work, but that doesn't seem to be the case. If I plug a device into the HDMI switcher and plug that to my TV, I don't get surround sound. If I plug the switcher to the receiver itself, I don't get a picture.

It's a bit of a hassle, but there's got to be an elegant solution.
 
There's no possible way for me to not have the plasma TV on its side while delivering... I did this last time and it was fine... but how else am I going to take it?
 
Thanks for the thoughts on input lag a couple pages back, gents. My older 42" Panny plasma is in the shop; I don't know whether it's from the big empty space in my entertainment center right now, or fear of not being able to buy another Panny plasma before too long, but just pulled the trigger on a P60ST60. Pretty excited. :-)
 
Bishop89 said:
Thanks for the explanation.
Can you turn off motionflow? I am NOT a fan of that soap opera effect at all.
Do the samsung tv's have that same thing (and if so, can it be turned off)?

"Ultra Clear Panel " - Could i get further explanation on what this is/means
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I think that just means glossy screen, some of the lower end panels are semi matter/diffused glossy screens, why the higher end are super glossy.
I would look through the reviews of:

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com
http://www.avforums.com/
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk
http://www.pcmag.com/

They have in depth reviews & exact measurements of contrast, black levels, color accuracy & input lag.
I think all of the TV's you are looking at are reviewed in those sites.

Joeki11a said:
whats the word on Seiki TV

I see a 58 inch at 599 thats crazy
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Huh 58", Where?
 
TRega said:
I have a similar setup; however, my TV has optical audio out which I then connect to my receiver. My Wii U and media center PC both connect to the TV and the audio is then forwarded from the TV to the receiver through optical out.

If your TV has optical audio out, you should be able to make it work without cable swapping.
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The problem with that method is you won't get surround sound. The Wii U even states this and forces you to go stereo.

Fortunately I found a solution: the HDMI switcher works after all. All I had to do was plug that to one of the receiver ports and move a few of the devices to connect to the HDMI switcher. Since it's digital I can then program my universal remote to switch to the necessary ports.
 
God, I put a deposit down for that series 7 samsung tv posted earlier, but after reading a bit about refresh rate and anything over 60hz is useless since games on consoles dont go over 60fps and that anything over like 120hz will increase "input lag".

I feel like im making a mistake.

:Edit: if all im doing is console gaming, bluray movies and tv and no interest in 3d at all, should I b aiming for a 60hz tv? 100hz? Hows that work if its not divisible by 60? I mean most tvs now come with 3d so thats 120hz minimum just there.

I cant think of a worst thing to shop for than tvs
 
Bishop89 said:
God, I put a deposit down for that series 7 samsung tv posted earlier, but after reading a bit about refresh rate and anything over 60hz is useless since games on consoles dont go over 60fps and that anything over like 120hz will increase "input lag".

I feel like im making a mistake.

:Edit: if all im doing is console gaming, bluray movies and tv and no interest in 3d at all, should I b aiming for a 60hz tv? 100hz? Hows that work if its not divisible by 60? I mean most tvs now come with 3d so thats 120hz minimum just there.

I cant think of a worst thing to shop for than tvs
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lol what? No, you are fine. With that logic, all those 30fps games we had last gen created input lag.
 
Hey guys, I am getting a Samsung UN55F7100AF soon. Do you think I should get a soundbar too? Have any to recommend?

EDIT: blah sorry for the double post
 
Latency is universally important, but is 4:4:4 chroma sampling important for consoles? Why am I asking: on this enthusiast forum, they never got 4:4:4 sampling with HDMI audio enabled, so they do dvi->hdmi or they disable audio over HDMI. Since this may not be possible on consoles (MAYBE, maybe, when we do optical sound out only, it works?).

Can / did anybody do benchmarks with their consoles with their 4:4:4 chroma TV's?
 
Bishop89 said:
God, I put a deposit down for that series 7 samsung tv posted earlier, but after reading a bit about refresh rate and anything over 60hz is useless since games on consoles dont go over 60fps and that anything over like 120hz will increase "input lag".

I feel like im making a mistake.

:Edit: if all im doing is console gaming, bluray movies and tv and no interest in 3d at all, should I b aiming for a 60hz tv? 100hz? Hows that work if its not divisible by 60? I mean most tvs now come with 3d so thats 120hz minimum just there.

I cant think of a worst thing to shop for than tvs
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When it says 120HZ they mean motion interpolation and that effects makes for lagy games so just turn that off and not true 120HZ like some PC monitor.

Also yes games are not over 60fps.

Do not focus on hertz, focus on contrast, colours, black level, motion resolution and input lag.
Just read reviews.
 
Erasus said:
When it says 120HZ they mean motion interpolation and that effects makes for lagy games so just turn that off and not true 120HZ like some PC monitor.

Also yes games are not over 60fps.

Do not focus on hertz, focus on contrast, colours, black level, motion resolution and input lag.
Just read reviews.
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Believe me, I have been trying to, but I cant seem to get a pinpoint on which one is most favourable.

So hertz dont matter at all, even if its 120, 240, etc..? since you can just turn motion interpolation off anyways? Wont have an affect on gaming much? I believe a user said that gives off that soap opera effect (which i hate fyi), but you can turn that off so no probs?

Its really weird me worrying so much about this, as Ive been gaming on a 32" panasonic viera (2009/10) and dont know any better, but I got that as a gift so it was no big deal.

I have read some reviews saying the sony w series particularly W802A and W900A have great input lag compared to other tvs and that the picture quality is amazing. Would it not make sense to buy a sony tv since they would be designed to be optimal for ps3/ps4 consoles? On the otherhand, ive been hearing that plasmas supposedly have the better 'picture'

What exactly is motion resolution? Does that have anything to do with motion interpolation?

Sorry for the questions but im a total dumbass when it comes to technology
 
Looking for an upgrade to my Samsung T200.

My requirements would be:

Size: 24"
Resolution: 1920x1080
Response Time: 2ms or lower

Something with a good scaler (if at all, as long as games look amazing and not inferior to PC input) and excellent image quality/contrast/colors etc. Would a 120hz/144hz monitor cause any problems when I record 30/60fps games?
 
After D-Nices settings I have this to say about the ST60

UNBELIEVABLE PQ

There is not enough hyperbole in the world to describe how amazing KZSF, Wind Waker HD, and the Dark Knight look on this thing.

I also as stated before have no issues with the input lag whatsoever and thats jumping around from all kinds of games.

Some guy was saying the W900 was close to the PQ or in theory should be to the ST60 and having owned the W900 that is not true in any sense. The blacks and colors pop in a way that is far superior to the 900.

Anyway can't recommend this tv enough.
 
Does anyone know if the Sony w900/905 can pass thru Dolby Digital 5.1 via it's optical out or does it strip it back to stereo only like most TV's do?
 
This is tough. I have an s60 on order at my local Sears to pick up when they open, but I don't know if I want to keep it.

I'm really concerned about the light situation. The room I'll have it in has one large window (80") on the adjacent wall. I have curtains of course and I keep them closed, but it could still be an issue.

I'm using a relatively obscure Sony LCD now: KDL-46ex710. It's not a great TV, but it was only $250 a few years ago because of a fuck up Sony had on their earlier generation LCD projection TVs. So I'm thinking I'll move that 46" to the bedroom.

I'm not sure what the input lag is on my existing TV, but I certainly don't want to downgrade that. I'm also nervous that I'll have enough ambient light that my picture won't even be better on this new TV. I also don't really like gaming in total blackout conditions that often (it kind of gives me a headache) so I usually just dim the lights. I don't know, it doesn't feel like a good fit.

If I felt like I was getting a screaming awesome deal I'd be more inclined to go with it, but I'm so nervous I'm going to be able to see my reflection like a mirror and everything will be all washed out and I'll really dislike the TV. I guess I should look up Sears' return policy just in case.
 
For anyone buying a TV, do you grab the extended warranty offered? I know these are seen as a way to just get more money from customers but if your 90lb (60") TV does break, how does the 1 year warranty work. Do they cover the cost of a local person or do you have to pay the cost to ship a 90lb TV?

I'm wondering b/c I'm thinking of getting one of the Panasonics and I'm curious how it will work with them getting out of the business.
 
Canon said:
There's no possible way for me to not have the plasma TV on its side while delivering... I did this last time and it was fine... but how else am I going to take it?
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Laying them down to transport them is fine. Just make sure that the glass is facing up and give it 24 hours standing before you hook it up.
 
Amneisac said:
This is tough. I have an s60 on order at my local Sears to pick up when they open, but I don't know if I want to keep it.

I'm really concerned about the light situation. The room I'll have it in has one large window (80") on the adjacent wall. I have curtains of course and I keep them closed, but it could still be an issue.

I'm using a relatively obscure Sony LCD now: KDL-46ex710. It's not a great TV, but it was only $250 a few years ago because of a fuck up Sony had on their earlier generation LCD projection TVs. So I'm thinking I'll move that 46" to the bedroom.

I'm not sure what the input lag is on my existing TV, but I certainly don't want to downgrade that. I'm also nervous that I'll have enough ambient light that my picture won't even be better on this new TV. I also don't really like gaming in total blackout conditions that often (it kind of gives me a headache) so I usually just dim the lights. I don't know, it doesn't feel like a good fit.

If I felt like I was getting a screaming awesome deal I'd be more inclined to go with it, but I'm so nervous I'm going to be able to see my reflection like a mirror and everything will be all washed out and I'll really dislike the TV. I guess I should look up Sears' return policy just in case.
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My room is in a similar setup, and I've got an S60. Yes, you will see reflections often, but I got used to it.

However, I can't recommend this set if you think you'll be bothered by a dim picture. It won't "pop" at all unless you turn on some enhancement settings. The ABL is also noticeable which may or may not bother you.
 
Amneisac said:
This is tough. I have an s60 on order at my local Sears to pick up when they open, but I don't know if I want to keep it.

I'm really concerned about the light situation. The room I'll have it in has one large window (80") on the adjacent wall. I have curtains of course and I keep them closed, but it could still be an issue.

If I felt like I was getting a screaming awesome deal I'd be more inclined to go with it, but I'm so nervous I'm going to be able to see my reflection like a mirror and everything will be all washed out and I'll really dislike the TV. I guess I should look up Sears' return policy just in case.
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I'm in just about the same situation, except I picked up the S60 a couple days ago and am now wondering whether I should return it. So, yes, I think it's a real issue.

I'm first going to try moving it within my living room to mitigate the reflections. If it doesn't work out, I'll return it and consider getting the ST60 or a LED.

Sears' return policy seems tolerant of this situation, even when you say that it's been opened and lightly used. Seems like a 15% restocking fee could apply, but I'm not sure which situations warrant that.
 
Bishop89 said:
Oh god, this is too stressful. Im just going to cancel my deposit and just wait.

Im hearing w900/w900a sony tvs are great now, but too expensive atm.

I dont even need it now, only when I can get the ps4.

God damn.

This is me at this very moment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BafmJ0uRBrI#t=169
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Why? Even on a Sony set, you have to turn off all those features to bring down the input lag.

Plasmas generally have more input lag.

What Samsung model and size where you getting?
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
After D-Nices settings I have this to say about the ST60

UNBELIEVABLE PQ

There is not enough hyperbole in the world to describe how amazing KZSF, Wind Waker HD, and the Dark Knight look on this thing.

I also as stated before have no issues with the input lag whatsoever and thats jumping around from all kinds of games.

Some guy was saying the W900 was close to the PQ or in theory should be to the ST60 and having owned the W900 that is not true in any sense. The blacks and colors pop in a way that is far superior to the 900.

Anyway can't recommend this tv enough.
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This post just got me super excited, as I just ordered mine last night. Mind linking me to the D-Nice settings? I see everyone mentioning them but the link I found seems to be down...

Edit: Nevermind, found 'em.
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
After D-Nices settings I have this to say about the ST60

UNBELIEVABLE PQ

There is not enough hyperbole in the world to describe how amazing KZSF, Wind Waker HD, and the Dark Knight look on this thing.

I also as stated before have no issues with the input lag whatsoever and thats jumping around from all kinds of games.

Some guy was saying the W900 was close to the PQ or in theory should be to the ST60 and having owned the W900 that is not true in any sense. The blacks and colors pop in a way that is far superior to the 900.

Anyway can't recommend this tv enough.
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I have 27 more hours until break in is over on my VT60 and I can put in D-Nice's settings.
 
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